Posted on 05/17/2008 9:08:15 AM PDT by Ottofire
Just as God spoke to Moses on the mountain, the LDS Church claims that God personally appeared to Joseph Smith and directed him to establish "the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth" (Doctrine and Covenants 1:30). LDS revelations are usually written with Biblical sounding words like "thus saith the Lord." However, Brigham Young's 1847 revelation is the last section added to the D&C with that wording.
There have been three additions to the Doctrine and Covenants dated after 1847 but they do not include the words "thus saith the Lord." One was a vision/dream of President Joseph Fielding Smith, dated 1918 [link]. The other two are declarations ending past practices of the LDS Church (originally claimed to be established by revelation). In 1890 President Woodruff issued the Manifesto to end polygamy [link] and in 1978 President Kimball issued a statement that God had revealed that blacks could now hold the priesthood [link]. While each president of the LDS Church is still ordained as a "prophet, seer and revelator," revelations are no longer issued. Although early Mormon apostles denounced the Christian world for holding to a closed canon of scripture, the LDS Church's canon is for all intents and purposes closed as well.
Not only are there no new revelations, since 1890 it seems that the LDS Church has retreated from a number of teachings once held as revealed doctrine. The following five examples illustrate this redefining of LDS doctrine.
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So when the Mormons are accusing Christianity of The Great Apostasy, how do they justify the fact that THEY have drifted so far off of the Revelations of Joseph Smith? In doing so, with absolutely no defense with the historical documents easily attainable, they are committing a huge hunk of burning hypocrisy and their own easily spotlighted apostasy.
I would love to hear from my fellow Mormon Freepers on this.
Remember, to bring to the table light, not fire; illumination not emotion.
(The second article is also very interesting. It is about LDS Apologist Hugh Nibley and how he "could see anything on any page that needed to be there." It details his possible misuse and misquoting of the Bible, the Early Church Fathers, and then looks to those that defend Mr. Nibley. Footnoted for further study.)
Ping to read later
Yes. Mormons have drifted VERY far from the revelations of Joseph Smith; suddenly getting another “revelation” that did away with polygamy - only after this aberration had messed up the lives of numerous people. Even Smith’s first wife was brokenhearted by this practice of Smith’s. (He seemed to just simply like the ladies.)
People who happen on a particular sin (in this case adultery) they want to indulge themselves in and then proceed to lay it on God are way out in left field. - This Jeffs guy is simply sticking to his guns on old Joseph’s original commandments.
Seeing Jeff’s rotten fruit is enough to make one puke.
All I can say is, these guys had better be correct in their choice of putting all their eggs in one basket in their quest for glory (that basket being one man - Joseph Smith).
I visited a Mormon church - once - several years ago at the invitation of a neighbor, and when they started singing the hymn “Praise to the Man”, I thought it was talking about Jesus. . then, when it got down to the bottom of the verse and went something like this: “one day everyone will have to bow down and praise Brother Joseph and admit that he was right”, I shut my mouth, got out and never went back.
This neighbor woman was in that church in defiance of her husband. It is my opinon that Mormon missionaries go out to proselytize silly women while their husbands are at work in order to gain more women for the good Mormon men in “eternity” who are under the impression that they will be keeping a bunch of women pregnant and barefoot forever in eternity.
Thanks, but no thanks. If a woman wants an overbearing patriarchy, she can always go with Mohammedanism.
>All I can say is, these guys had better be correct in their choice of putting all their eggs in one basket in their quest for glory (that basket being one man - Joseph Smith).
Thats the rub! They are not following ol’ Joe’s revelations, and yet pointing fingers with no basis at the Christian Church.
IF they were following Joseph Smith’s teachings, they would be using his translation of the bible, instead of what they say is corrupted. Why are they not using an inspiredly corrected Bible? Because a LDS offshoot has the manuscript and will not allow the LDS to print it because the offshoot claims the LDS has drifted away from Smith’s visions. Apostasy most foul!
They would be still under the mandate to be polygamous, or face damnation, as J.S. commanded them.
They would still be claiming that the American Indians were all Laminites. They would still say that the Bible contains the whole gospel of Jesus, and loose a big bunch of traction in evangelization.
They would still be condemning those with dark skin with the Mark of Cain, and saying they really have no souls.
Revelation just doesn’t mean what it used to in the LDS. Too bad. They have slipped into post modernism with most of the Orthodox Protestant and the Roman Catholic churches.
Truth from God? Well, we really have no clue what the Creator is saying. Perhaps it would be better if we had a phone line to him... like a Prophet of the church? Oh, that phone line is iffy too...
Maybe it would be better if we do what is right in our own eyes, since we have no clue what God really wants.
This IS an open thread, is it not? Since all "emotion" has been purged from four, count 'em FOUR classifications in the forum, you might just as well declare this an "all mormon proselyting, all the time" forum...do an "activities" search on the religion forum.
I believe the "watch the "open" forums disappear" warning that was was brought up in the "ecumenism" thread, HERE is well on its way to becoming fact.
You might as well just ask the RM to change the tag to "ecumenism".
The Book of Abraham Papyri and Joseph Smith
>>Remember, to bring to the table light, not fire; illumination not emotion.
>This IS an open thread, is it not? Since all “emotion” has been purged from four, count ‘em FOUR classifications in the forum, you might just as well declare this an “all mormon proselyting, all the time” forum...do an “activities” search on the religion forum.
Auigh! I REPENT I REPENT! Lol! Bring all the baggage you want to this!
Well, I can ping the “anti” list if you really mean it....otherwise......;)
Ping
(And this was an occultic type of dream about the dead)
Thanks for number three, that’s a good assessment.
Yes, small oversight of the Mormon god, eh?
If you read thru the LDS Doctrine & Covenants, Joseph Smith is constantly saying throughout the 1830s gotta finish the "translation," gotta finish the "translation," gotta finish the "translation," (as if English needed to be "translated" into English!!!). And so, this was no small thing on Smith's plate according to what he said his god was telling him to do.
So what happens? Oops. The "one true" church doesn't get the "one, true" copyright.
Is that a divine "fumble?" A divine "error?" For Mormons, who think their god is just an advanced man, anyway, I sometimes think they don't see a whole lot wrong with a god who gets it wrong and fumbles & errors...with a god who thought skin color was a priestholder-unworthy curse...but then "changed his mind"...with a god who thought polygamy was the only way to the highest level of celestial Kingdomhood/godhood...but then "changed his mind" after less than a 60-year "experiment."
Yup. Your testimony needs to be told loud & clear!!!
Just think of all the additional "toll" roads LDS "prophets" have built into heaven. Instead of Jesus being the only way (John 14:6), Brigham Young said that Mormons also needed the consent of Joseph Smith. Then other leaders have said that Mormon wives need their husbands to call them from beyond the veil. (No call, no eternal marriage continuation).
Then there were special handshakes.
And then if Jesus wasn't your savior on earth, well, there's always somebody baptizing you by proxy & LDS missionaries to introduce to the Mormon gospel in the life beyond.
***The Book of Abraham Papyri and Joseph Smith ***
Pro 30:5 ¶ Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
So, how did this variation of the schroll of Toth become the Abraham papyri.
There are some who have held to the faith passed down by Jos. Smith.
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