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Unmasking the Pope and the Catholic System (Open)
Grace To You ^ | Exact date unknown | John F. MacArthur

Posted on 05/17/2008 6:30:09 PM PDT by e.Shubee

John F. MacArthur is no ordinary evangelical. I think that there is something special about him because of the unusual excellence of his book  The Gospel According to Jesus. I consider that book to be the finest exposition on the gospel ever written.

The most surprising thing about John MacArthur is his wide acceptance, given that he believes in the true gospel and takes a strong stand on the historic Protestant understanding of Roman Catholicism. Consider his protestant message, Unmasking the Pope and the Catholic System, delivered shortly after the death of Pope John Paul II, and see if you can either respect or refute his statements.

http://www.bereanbeacon.org/audio_video/UnmaskingThePope.mp3


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; History
KEYWORDS: catholicism; christians; johnmacarthur; pope
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1 posted on 05/17/2008 6:30:09 PM PDT by e.Shubee
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To: e.Shubee

I disrespect them — just a hunch. Haven’t read it. Don’t plan to.


2 posted on 05/17/2008 6:57:42 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop

Hmm. Why is that?


3 posted on 05/17/2008 7:23:35 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: e.Shubee

Pro-LDS and anti-Catholic threads abound in breaking news.

I’m detecting a pattern here...


4 posted on 05/17/2008 7:26:05 PM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: e.Shubee

http://www.fisheaters.com/responses.html


5 posted on 05/17/2008 7:28:07 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Yes, UNMASK the Pope ~

John Wargo

6 posted on 05/17/2008 7:41:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Go to www.exmormon.org and search Catholic Church.

Not only for truly hateful things said about Catholics by Mormon General Authorities, but for just how many ex-Mormons turn to atheism in order to escape their false controlling cult.


7 posted on 05/17/2008 7:42:12 PM PDT by elcid1970 (My cartridges are dipped in pig grease.)
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To: elcid1970
I'm sure you guys have all had appropriate gun training and know how to keep 'em holstered during tense confrontations over religion.

Or, you'all could "come over to the Dark Side" eh?!

8 posted on 05/17/2008 7:44:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: e.Shubee

Exactly what do you gain by posting this?


9 posted on 05/17/2008 7:44:26 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: e.Shubee

It’s true, it’s true, Lyndon LaRouche hisself told me so! The Pope in conspiracy with Queen Elizabeth! Run for the hills Christian Believers! By the way, is Lyndon running this year?


10 posted on 05/17/2008 7:48:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (You're gonna cry 96 Tears on my Pillow!)
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To: e.Shubee
A List of the World's Most Popular Religions
Here's a listing of the most popular religions worldwide, based on the estimated number of adherents for that religion (or non-religion).

1) Christians - 2,116,909,552 which includes

1,117,759,185 Roman Catholics
372,586,395 Protestants
221,746,920 Orthodox
81,865,869 Anglicans
2) Muslims - 1,282,780,149
3) Hindus - 856,690,863
4) Buddhists - 381,610,979
5) Sikhs - 25,139,912
6) Jews - 14,826,102

And...

a) Others - 814,146,396
b) Non-Religious - 801,898,746
c) Atheists - 152,128,701

The source for this data is the 2005 CIA World Factbook.

11 posted on 05/17/2008 7:51:03 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: bboop; Petronski
Another commendation that I can think of for John MacArthur is Proverbs 15:2 (New American Standard Bible): “The tongue of the wise makes knowledge acceptable.”

I certainly don’t agree with everything that MacArthur teaches (his view of eschatology is totally flawed, I believe) but I consider him wise enough to benefit from an informed debate and clear and articulate differences of opinion. In that sense, I believe that he is also worthy of the characterization found in Proverbs 27:17: “As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.” 

As I have said previously, I have been greatly blessed by his Biblical exposition in the book, The Gospel According to Jesus.

12 posted on 05/17/2008 7:53:41 PM PDT by e.Shubee
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

ping


13 posted on 05/17/2008 8:00:59 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: e.Shubee

I listened to the audio link. McArthur merely stated the historical facts - of which, most Protestants nowadays have forgotten. Here is what McArthur said about the reign of “Bloody Mary:”

Seven years after Luther’s death, the reign of bloody Mary began in England, 1553 - 1558. Mary restored the Pope’s authority in England.

Immediately, all Bibles were removed from the churches. All Bible printing ceased and was forbidden, it became a capital crime.

800 English ministers fled to Geneva, 300 Protestants were burned at the stake.

Her first martyr was the man who translated the Tyndale Bible, John Rogers, a London minister


14 posted on 05/17/2008 8:09:40 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: e.Shubee
This has nothing to do with politics in the USA. This is not a forum to discuss religion. I'm not catholic, don’t like the pope; but crap like this has no place here.
15 posted on 05/17/2008 8:11:50 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: sasportas
There were people who tried to prevent the popularization of ancient texts with modern cheap printing.

They lost the battle and here we are reading pixels on a screen.

Death to the Luddites and their running dog lackeys~!

16 posted on 05/17/2008 8:12:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Revolting cat!
By the way, is Lyndon [LaRouche] running this year?

Yes, under the pseudonym Ron Paul.

17 posted on 05/17/2008 8:19:44 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: P-Marlowe; Gamecock; blue-duncan; greyfoxx39; xzins; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; wmfights; ...

John F. MacArthur speaks on Catholicism ping.


18 posted on 05/17/2008 8:21:32 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: ItsForTheChildren

I think they envision saving the souls of Catholics single-handedly.

They provide food to fuel the hate of those who are already bigots.

What really happens is that Catholics really study their religion and become more Catholic than ever.

So you could say they work for the pope for free!


19 posted on 05/17/2008 8:28:49 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: gedeon3

^^^This is not a forum to discuss religion.^^^

Actually, yes it is. You have wandered into the Religion Section of FR.


20 posted on 05/17/2008 8:30:18 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, “Am I good enough to be a Christian?” rather “Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

I think that’s why they hate Catholics, they are afraid of our sheer numbers.


21 posted on 05/17/2008 8:30:51 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki
I think they envision saving the souls of Catholics single-handedly.

With a loving 2x4.

22 posted on 05/17/2008 8:32:49 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: gedeon3
This is not a forum to discuss religion

If the Religion Forum of FR is not a forum to discuss religion, what is it?

23 posted on 05/17/2008 8:33:43 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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To: Petronski

LOL


24 posted on 05/17/2008 8:35:44 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Petronski

Great site in the link. Can it generally be considered Authoritative, or is it strictly a lay effort. Wish I had access to the info on the scapulars the other day.


25 posted on 05/17/2008 8:36:38 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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To: muawiyah

There were people who tried to prevent the popularization of ancient texts with modern cheap printing.
They lost the battle and here we are reading pixels on a screen.
Death to the Luddites and their running dog lackeys~!

Were you there during Bloody Mary’s purge, it is obvious, where you would have stood. And it wouldn’t be with those persecuted for their Bibles, nor with those burned at the stake, nor with those having to flee to Switzerland.

I hope you don’t call yourself a Protestant.


26 posted on 05/17/2008 8:42:59 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: elcid1970

**Not only for truly hateful things said about Catholics by Mormon General Authorities, but for just how many ex-Mormons turn to atheism in order to escape their false controlling cult.**

As Madaline Murray O’Hair said on the Larry King show several years ago,..”The best atheists are former Mormons and Catholics.”

I saw that show and always remembered it.


27 posted on 05/17/2008 9:00:22 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Gamecock

What if they can never find their way back to news?


28 posted on 05/17/2008 9:01:12 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

LOL!


29 posted on 05/17/2008 9:11:29 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, “Am I good enough to be a Christian?” rather “Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: Fichori

Thanks for the ping.


30 posted on 05/17/2008 9:13:37 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: e.Shubee

That was very powerful and revealing.

Thank you for posting it.


31 posted on 05/17/2008 9:14:30 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Your welcome.


32 posted on 05/17/2008 9:15:38 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: lastchance; Gamecock
What if they can never find their way back to news?

Maybe they'll get swallowed by the Hollow Earth.

33 posted on 05/17/2008 9:15:51 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
This thread is posted in the Religion Forum.

If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the browse. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."

34 posted on 05/17/2008 9:24:13 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: gedeon3
This thread is posted in the Religion Forum.

If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the browse. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."

35 posted on 05/17/2008 9:26:17 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: sasportas
I listened to the audio link. McArthur merely stated the historical facts - of which, most Protestants nowadays have forgotten.

I find it interesting that there are so many self-professing Christians on this thread demonstrating an intense hostility to the idea that relevant Church history should be examined. If learning is honorable, then shouldn't debating different interpretations of Church history be commendable?

36 posted on 05/17/2008 9:27:45 PM PDT by e.Shubee
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To: Fichori
That was very powerful and revealing.

Thank you for posting it.

I thank you for saying so. I believe that we are very blessed. I am very thankful that God has blessed us with the discernment to appreciate it.

37 posted on 05/17/2008 9:44:59 PM PDT by e.Shubee
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To: e.Shubee
I will admit that I am not going to listen to ________________ (fill in the blank protestant minister) but I will address one "argument" he may have made (based upon some of the comments here).

The Catholic Church is VERY MUCH pro Bible. Let's face it, we wouldn't have the new testament if it weren't for the Pope, Bishops, and Monks who - for centuries - copied it over and over.

The Catholic Church is NOT supportive of lousy translations of the Bible. This is why certain translations were burned. Read a little about the Tyndale version and figure that one out for yourself.

I will agree that in the past (and most likely in the future) there have been Catholic leaders, the Queen of England for one, that have done some terrible things in the name of religion. But you are ignorant if you think that the subsequent Queen of England, who was protestant, didn't also do her share of killing in the name of her religion.

I am not impressed with the argument that because there were and are bad people in the Catholic Church the Church is bad. Remember, of the tweleve Apostles one betrayed, one denied, and only one remained. That doesn't mean that they were not Apostles or that somehow Christ made a mistake.

38 posted on 05/17/2008 10:20:50 PM PDT by davidwendell
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To: davidwendell

I listened to the mp3.

I don’t know why you don’t want to listen to it, a little history never hurt anyone.

Shouldn’t you listen to such things so you can know how to make a better argument against them?

As it is, your statement against it goes a bit wide.

But that is your prerogative.


39 posted on 05/17/2008 10:30:54 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: Fichori; davidwendell

Yes, it is his prerogative.

And I also support dw’s contention that the Catholic Church is very Scriptural. Having been a Catholic for 60 years (baptized into the Church at age 21) I have always found it to be Scriptural and based on Scripture, as are the writings of our scholars, saints and Early Church Fathers.

As far as I am concerned, there isn’t enough time to read everything, so when I select what I can fit into my time, it isn’t hard for me to decide what it is that most benefits me to read, and that is what my own profession of faith offers me.


40 posted on 05/17/2008 10:58:59 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

Would you ever knowingly listen to/read something that might invalidate your faith?

Just curios.


41 posted on 05/17/2008 11:41:39 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: Fichori

There is nothing that will invalidate my faith.

I chose to become Catholic. I have studied and practiced this faith for many, many years. My six adult children have all remained Catholic.

My time is running out -—”seventy is the sum of our years, and eighty if we are strong”, the Psalms tell us.

“My soul is thirsting for the living God” —again the Psalms—and that is all my longing now.

I don’t have any interest in what John MacArthur has to say.

For every one, like me, who at this moment writes this on an open forum, there are countless more Catholics who never heard of FR, never have the time to browse around on the internet, and don’t thrive on debate and “discussion”, but love the Lord, live for the Lord and serve Him as best they can, with the help of His grace. And He promised that anyone who came to Him, He would not cast out.

What more is there, in the final analysis, than that?


43 posted on 05/18/2008 4:22:37 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

And where is Madaline Murray O’Hair now?

“Atheist’s funeral: all dressed up and no place to go!”

;^)


44 posted on 05/18/2008 4:22:51 AM PDT by elcid1970 (My cartridges are dipped in pig grease.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Is this supposed to help the conservative movement or exacerbate any possible tensions?

Jesus prayed that His followers might be one; but we are not to sacrifice the truth in order to secure this union, for we are to be sanctified through the truth. Here is the foundation of all true peace. Human wisdom would change all this, pronouncing this basis too narrow. Men would try to effect unity through concession to popular opinion, through compromise with the world, a sacrifice of vital godliness. But truth is God's basis for the unity of His people.

45 posted on 05/18/2008 4:31:06 AM PDT by e.Shubee
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To: Running On Empty

Amen.


47 posted on 05/18/2008 5:43:02 AM PDT by AliVeritas (I'm a racist Afro-Leninist, clinging to Darwin, abortion and food stamps. I jest.)
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To: e.Shubee
Jesus prayed that His followers might be one...

But the longer His Church persisted, the more pride pulled people away to march by their own gospel rather than that of His Church. But thankfully, the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Catholic Church and all are free to return whenever they want.

48 posted on 05/18/2008 5:55:49 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: davidwendell
The Catholic Church is VERY MUCH pro Bible.

You mean "pro Latin Vulgate".

Let's face it, we wouldn't have the new testament if it weren't for the Pope, Bishops, and Monks who - for centuries - copied it over and over.

Ummm -- those were Greek Orthodox monks doing that.

The Catholic Church is NOT supportive of lousy translations of the Bible. This is why certain translations were burned.

Well its okay to do what you want with one's own property, but to confiscate and destroy the property of others, especially a bible translation???? Please!!!

Read a little about the Tyndale version and figure that one out for yourself.

I have -- the magisterium feared it because it was far more superior to their own Vulgate and they didn't want the people to know that there was an alternative to their Vulgate. Tyrants hate competition.

Is it still on that List of Forbidden Books, you know, that List that never included Mein Kampf????

49 posted on 05/18/2008 5:57:20 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Fichori

Please remove me from your ping list.


50 posted on 05/18/2008 5:57:24 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My FREEPATHON donation for this quarter went to non-moromon causes.)
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