Posted on 05/18/2008 1:03:14 PM PDT by fproy2222
I would like to say thank you to the Religion Modererator for the Ecumenic threads.
I know it is additional work, and hard to moniter.
For me, I find it nice to able to read about other peoples beliefs without needing to correct attacks on my beliefs.
Again, thanks.
I feel that my religion stands or falls by encouraging debate within, rather than in reinforcing insularity without it.
The guidelines are pretty direct, and they don't include making snide remarks about other FReepers, nor do they include posting links to flame threads while expecting non-LDS to adhere to the rules.
I will probably get slapped down for calling attention to these posts, but I don't believe that this is what the RM had in mind in setting these guidelines up.
S/He did a lot of work and spent a lot of time and prayer on coming up with this solution, and IMO this is shabby treatment of his/her efforts.
If the mormons are so happy to have yet another protected classification to use for their proselytizing, making end runs aren't the way to show appreciation for the privilege.
If and when you see that, just hit the abuse button. The mods are quick, and they can also ban or suspend people for making their life hard.
It will clear up pretty quick -- no need to smear some people for the actions of others, buy invoking the "buddy" rule.
I expect everybody to adhere to the rules.
As one of the vast "swine", requiring "hosing" down, your protests marginalize the culpability of your group, ignoring any personal responsibility in the present situation.
I find it nice to able to read about other peoples beliefs without needing to correct attacks on my beliefs.
if you are just "reading", how would anyone KNOW about, and "attack" your beliefs if you weren't trying to proselytize them ?
RM: Thanks for the great job you do. I would have been tearing my hair out long ago, not to mention taking pills for high blood pressure, if I had to do your job.
fproy: Thanks for the heads up!
Anyone else: Take it in the spirit it was given.
I expect everybody to adhere to the rules
And just WHO are you to state :"I expect everybody to adhere to the rules.????
ARE YOU A MOD? If not, don't bother to instruct me on FR protocol.
if you are just “reading”, how would anyone KNOW about, and “attack” your beliefs if you weren’t trying to proselytize them ?
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I would say the difference is in how things are said, not so much what is said.
If I disagree with your beliefs, I can post my beliefs next to yours, without calling you nasty names, or demeaning your beliefs.
This way we can see what each other’s beliefs are.
I can tell you what I am, not what you are.
As for proselytizing, If our beliefs are strong enough, we should all be proselytizing others to our beliefs.
BTW Charles, was your post No. 5 intended to bait me into seeming “thin-skinned”? If so, your statement “no need to smear some people for the actions of others,” attributing motive to me, was the impetus for my response.
Usually 90% of the posts are the Religion Moderator telling people who have complained about them how to remove the Religion Forum from their log in preferences.
I suppose its a nice place to post religious propaganda without any risk that it is going to be challenged. I suppose if you like your theology bland and without substance, then the ecumenic threads are the place to get fed.
Give us this day our daily Tofu.
I see you have been on some non-LDS threads...how’s that workin’ out for ya’? More tofu? ;)
This reminds me of President Bush talking about the appeasement and the appeasers Obama & company yells that not fair he talking about us!
It would have been best to keep his mouth shut!
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“Wolves still want access to the flock!”
Some yell that us they are talking about, still it would have been best not to mind read an keep still!
Alma 5
57 And now I say unto you, all you that are desirous to follow the voice of the good shepherd, come ye out from the wicked, and be ye separate, and touch not their unclean things; and behold, their names shall be blotted out, that the names of the wicked shall not be numbered among the names of the righteous, that the word of God may be fulfilled, which saith: The names of the wicked shall not be mingled with the names of my people;
58 For the names of the righteous shall be written in the book of life, and unto them will I grant an inheritance at my right hand. And now, my brethren, what have ye to say against this? I say unto you, if ye speak against it, it matters not, for the word of God must be fulfilled.
59 For what shepherd is there among you having many sheep doth not watch over them, that the wolves enter not and devour his flock? And behold, if a wolf enter his flock doth he not drive him out? Yea, and at the last, if he can, he will destroy him.
60 And now I say unto you that the good shepherd doth call after you; and if you will hearken unto his voice he will bring you into his fold, and ye are his sheep; and he commandeth you that ye suffer no ravenous wolf to enter among you, that ye may not be destroyed.
Usually 90% of the posts are the Religion Moderator telling people who have complained about them how to remove the Religion Forum from their log in preferences.
Is there a method to select multiple forums for viewing at one time such as when you select ‘everything’. In other words can one pick and choose which forums to show up while eliminating some such as this religious forum? Do you know?
Oh, resty...sometimes the things you post are just so funny! LOL!
I want to apologize for the inappropriate statement to “hose down the pigs.”
No matter how much contention some generate many of us have reflected and regret that this statement was made and is contrary to what the Lord servants have counsel.
Thank you very much resty...I know you are a kind-hearted soul, even though we disagree a lot. Did you ping grig to your post? I couldn’t tell.
[The ecumenic Threads have been shown to be nothing more than a theological playground for sissies. Nobody reads them and for the most part nobody posts on them except to come on and say something like “What is this Religious nonsense doing in Breaking News?”
Usually 90% of the posts are the Religion Moderator telling people who have complained about them how to remove the Religion Forum from their log in preferences.
I suppose its a nice place to post religious propaganda without any risk that it is going to be challenged. I suppose if you like your theology bland and without substance, then the ecumenic threads are the place to get fed.
Give us this day our daily Tofu. ]
Are you sure we don’t share some brain cells?
However, I must point out that not only are ecumenical threads the Tofu of Champions, but they are also Intellectual Affirmative Action. What that means is that those who post the ecumenical threads are labeled defective on their crates, it quickly being realized that their points of view cannot be defended in a rigorous debate.
One might as well tape a sign to their backs saying “Kick Me, My Ideas Are Too Weak To Defend”. Or perhaps “Kick Me, I Have Tofu For Brains”.
Of course, this was all forseeable, a giant experiment in the obvious.
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Na, it is a way to keep the theological bullies from spamming and hijacking a civil religious thread.
[If and when you see that, just hit the abuse button. The mods are quick, and they can also ban or suspend people for making their life hard. ]
I think the Stasi had a similar model for correcting pesky dessenters. Perhaps there is an old training manual around, now that East Germany is free.
[It will clear up pretty quick — no need to smear some people for the actions of others, buy invoking the “buddy” rule. ]
It will clear up pretty quick! Or else We Haf Ways of Dealing with Free Thinkers!
[I expect everybody to adhere to the rules. ]
Everyone is, you get to have your ecumenical threads where you can shove Joseph Smith down everyones throats without fear. Notice how everyone at Free Republic is so much happier now that there are protected classes.
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Thanks for another example of a put down that will not stop a good conversation in an Ecumenic thread.
thats kind of you resty, and puts a real foot forward in smoothing things over...however, the comments were not your own, and as such, stand on thier own
Devotional, prayer, caucus....just HOW many "civil religious threads" does one sect need, anyway?
[I want to apologize for the inappropriate statement to “hose down the pigs.”
No matter how much contention some generate many of us have reflected and regret that this statement was made and is contrary to what the Lord servants have counsel.]
Well thanks for the thought, but your “Cabal” doesn’t seem to have gotten the message.
“Na, it is a way to keep the theological bullies from spamming and hijacking a civil religious thread. “
Or, it is a way for religious bullies to hide behind an impenetrable shield and shove their theology down everyone else’s throats.
LOL, I don't care who ya' are, THAT'S funny!
Would you care to post the link to an ecumenical thread in which there is a good conversation going on that you are involved in Fred? Not a caucus, prayer or devotional thread.
Your post was essentially complaining about some unspecified "others" and how they were violating the rules. And it was directed at another person, who you were complaining to about his "buddies" violating the rules.
You said: "nor do they include posting links to flame threads while expecting non-LDS to adhere to the rules."
So I responded that I expect ALL people to adhere to the rules. I should think that would be acceptable to you, since YOU just said it wasn't fair to expect the non-LDS people to adhere to the rules if the LDS people didn't. I was agreeing with you.
I know you made another comment about not wanting to appear thin-skinned.
But what would you call it when you attack people for agreeing with you?
And you DID try to give the original poster grief for something OTHER people were alleged to have done.
Yours was an awfully judgmental post in response to a vanity thanking the mods for the new thread type.
So tell me, do you NOT expect everybody to follow the rules?
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This give us a way to talk among the different faiths with out you and yours from spamming and hijacking a good conversation.
(Hay, I just made an example of something not to do on an Ecumenic thread.)
Hence my response that there was no need to smear people for the actions of others, in this case complaining to Fred about what you alleged his "buddies" were doing.
I was saying you should complain to the others who are doing it, not to Fred, and you should hit abuse if you find a violation of the ecumenic rules, rather than complain about them to Fred.
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Well, I did see someone refer to the FLDS temple as a “pig barn” today....
You didn't make that statement. That was Grig's statement and that is why he chose to start spamming the forum with non-rebuttable Pro-LDS threads. Since then it appears that all the "Pro-LDS" threads have been set up as Caucus, Devotional or Ecumenic" so as to keep anyone from directly criticizing anything you guys do or say.
You tell me when people are in a state of contention where is the Spirit of the Lord?
John 14
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
I presumed that most people were happy because they were doing what I was doing — using the word “ecumenic” as a way to know I didn’t have to read the thread.
AND, FReepers are just LOVING the spam, ROTFL!
I don’t think the LDS are the only ones who use Caucus threads.
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you are right - the Catholics come to mind - However, the LDS are the only ones making an organized effort to spam the forum with thier threads -
Dont believe me ?
click here
This is a good link to:
[This give us a way to talk among the different faiths with out you and yours from spamming and hijacking a good conversation.]
Oh Pleeeezzzz!
How is “hosing the pigs” ever going to be considered a “good conversation”???
But of course, the current blizzard of Mormon Spam is having exactly the effect many of us predicted. Instead of convincing anyone, it is just being found to be abusive one sided propaganda.
We are now Mormon Central, All Mormon All The Time. We need at least twice as many LDS Ecumenical posts! I’m hoping for one a minute.
Its telling that the thread has been allowed to stand, offensive comments and all - truly a protected class
Yeah, I can just SEE another sect spokesman posting a thread like that and it lasting five minutes.
I don't WANT it pulled...I want it seen every day from now on. In fact, I think we should ping to it often.
Amen - thanks.
All your thread are belong to us!
~ Momo Dude
LOL...Elsie’s cousin?
Thanks.
“Its telling that the thread has been allowed to stand, offensive comments and all - truly a protected class “
And it will therefore devolve into a mini reenactment of Far West. The Mormons were given their own County in Missouri “to protect them” but the aggrieved Mormons riled themselves to ever greater self righteous vexation, and that lead to the looting of Davies County and the First Mormon War (there were other such wars, the gameplan is simply repeated).
Tis amusing to see it played out again in microcosm. I’m just waiting to see whether the moderator will play Governor Boggs or instead Lt. General Joseph Smith.
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