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(Cardinal) George Temporarily Removes Pfleger From St. Sabina
CBS2 Chicago ^ | 6/3/2008 | n/a

Posted on 06/03/2008 1:44:07 PM PDT by Pyro7480

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To: NYer

I’m really glad Cdl George did this. I think the only people who will perceive him as a “martyr” are the flakes at the Rev Wright’s church and the loonies he has no doubt cultivated at St Sabina’s for 30 years. And who cares what they think?

I’m sure we’ll hear howling from him, too; he already announced that because the video came out, it meant you “couldn’t speak your mind in George Bush’s America,” or something to that effect. Of course you can speak your mind - but that doesn’t mean people have to put up with the garbage you say, a point that seems to be lost on Pfleger.

Remember George Stallings in DC. He was finally disciplined (only after he got married, IIRC) and left and set up his very own church. And who even thinks about him or his “church” now? Nobody!


101 posted on 06/03/2008 4:11:36 PM PDT by livius
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To: sandyeggo

Well, how about that!


102 posted on 06/03/2008 4:12:45 PM PDT by livius
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To: wardaddy
Bishops are pretty much autonomous (not in terms of doctrine, but in terms of jurisdiction and discipline) within their own Diocese.

The rights and duties of bishops and priests are set out in Canon Law, so bishops can't act in an absolutely dictatorial manner. Nevertheless, all the Diocesan priests are answerable directly to the Bishop, and if Cardinal George wants to forbid Pfleger to preach or publish, if he wants to require him to keep silent, if he wants to reassign him to St. Dilbert's in Mudflats, IL, or leave him without assignment altogether, it's perfectly within his power to do so.

There's no canonical pretext for the Pope to get involved, nor should he. He's the Bishop of Rome, not Chicago.

103 posted on 06/03/2008 4:14:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (And all of Shakespeare's plays were written by some other guy but with, you know, the same name.)
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To: Pyro7480

Get ready for the tantrum to end all tantrums!

My respect for the Cardinal has gone up a couple of notches.


104 posted on 06/03/2008 4:21:21 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: wardaddy

yes.


105 posted on 06/03/2008 4:22:26 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: Pyro7480; All
Maybe Pleger now has time to get caught up on his reading and TV watching.

IMHO, Pflager, as a VERY probable lifetime member, surely is behind reading his monthly NAMBLA publications, and now he can catch up on newest releases he hasn't had time to watch yet of his most prized "Altar Boys Gone Wild" collection.

106 posted on 06/03/2008 4:22:27 PM PDT by musicman
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

This has happened before.I remember a black priest adopting a few and I think he was local.


107 posted on 06/03/2008 4:33:05 PM PDT by fatima (Pray.for Jim,founder of this forum.)
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To: TexasCajun

108 posted on 06/03/2008 4:40:55 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: pgkdan
Assign him as Priest Vicar for Catholic cemeteries ...

In Chicago that leaves him way too near politics.

109 posted on 06/03/2008 4:47:18 PM PDT by dighton
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To: mware
Dear mware,

“wardaddy, I would not be surprised if this came directly from B16.”

That's not my sense of it.

My understanding is that Archbishops of Chicago have been trying to take this one down a peg for some time. However, he's plugged into the local “urban” power structure, and he's more or less threatened schism or worse if he was messed with by the hierarchy.

But this time, he went a little too far. No one's going to follow him out the door in defense of his overt, blatant racism. So, the hierarchy strikes, which it has desired to do for as long as I've been aware of this one - which is the better part of a decade.

Remember, all cardinals are citizens of the Vatican, which in a sense makes them Roman. Don't mess with us Romans.

;-)


sitetest

110 posted on 06/03/2008 4:53:14 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Pyro7480
...it will be a great loss," said St. Sabina parishioner Karon Nash. "We won't stand for it."

Yes, you will. The Church is not a democracy. Besides, the door is always open.

111 posted on 06/03/2008 5:10:28 PM PDT by Steve1789 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: Tax-chick

Love your tag line, Mrs. It’s the catz meow...


112 posted on 06/03/2008 5:24:46 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Mila

Actually quite a few priests were defrocked in recent years for being pediphiles. On the Philadelphia Archdiocese’s website they have a list of the diocesan priests that were defrocked (or laicized).


113 posted on 06/03/2008 5:24:46 PM PDT by PhillyRepublican
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
YES!

www.DiscoverTheNetwork.org

MICHAEL PFLEGER  click the link, there is more on the sidebar

  • Pastor of Saint Sabina Catholic Church in Chicago since 1981
  • Views America as a deeply racist nation
  • Longtime friend and supporter of Barrack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, and Louis Farrakhan
  • Collaborated with Jesse Jackson to lead a 2007 campaign to close down a Chicago-area gun store
Born in May 1949, Michael Louis Pfleger is a Roman Catholic priest who has been the pastor of Saint Sabina Catholic Church in Chicago since 1981. Pfleger is white, and his congregation is composed mostly of African Americans. He attended Archbishop Quigley Preparatory Seminary South, Loyola University, and the University of Saint Mary of the Lake. He was ordained on May 14, 1975.

In 1991 Pfleger led a church campaign to remove tobacco and alcohol billboard ads from his parishioners’ Chicago neighborhood. When local billboard owners refused to take down the offending ads, Pfleger and some fellow activists personally defaced the signs. Pfleger was charged with destruction of private property but was later acquitted by a jury. When the Chicago City Council in 1997 voted to eliminate tobacco and alcohol ads from billboards in certain areas of the city, Pfleger celebrated the decision as “a tremendous victory for the children of Chicago, for our neighborhoods, especially black and Hispanic neighborhoods.”

In 1991 Pfleger led a picketing campaign outside the Chicago studio where The Jerry Springer Show was filmed. Complaining of the program’s excessive violence and crude language, Pfleger in 1998 organized a formal boycott of the show’s advertisers.

In 2000 Pfleger encouraged his parishioners to purchase time from local prostitutes and drug dealers, and to use that time to try to persuade the payees to attend counseling and job-training sessions. When the Chicago Archdiocese distanced itself from Pfleger’s tactics, he responded, “How is what I’m doing not part of the Gospel? The church leaders talk about evangelization. Well, if this isn’t evangelization, I don’t know what is.”

In 2001 Pfleger objected when a mostly white elementary-school athletic league, the Southside Catholic Conference, refused to admit Saint Sabina’s parish school. League officials explained that the white players and their families would feel unsafe in Saint Sabina’s largely black neighborhood. “Racism continues to be alive and well both inside society and inside the church,” said Pfleger. “To be denied admission on the sole premise that certain coaches and parishes feared for the safety of their children is illegitimate, ridiculous and insulting. It is very troubling that the conference would insinuate that we would place their children in harm’s way.”

In September 2002 Pfleger led a rally at the Dirksen Federal Building in Chicago condemning the Israeli army’s recent destruction of Yasser Arafat’s compound in the city of Ramallah.

In January 2003 Pfleger invited singer Harry Belafonte to be a guest speaker at a Sunday Mass at Saint Sabina. During his talk, Belafonte blamed America for the events of 9/11: “We [Americans] move about the world arrogantly, calling wars when we want, overthrowing governments when we want. There is a price to be paid for it -- look at 9/11. [That] wasn’t just bin Laden. Bin Laden didn’t come from the abstract. He came from somewhere, and if you look where ... you’ll see America’s hand of villainy.” Belafonte also used the occasion to criticize President George W. Bush for allegedly threatening every “woman’s right to abortion.” (It should be noted that the Chicago Archdiocese has had a longstanding policy explicitly forbidding the use of Church property, under any circumstances, by pro-abortion advocates. Moreover, the Church’s canon law requires that only Catholic clergy be permitted to preach during Catholic Mass. Pfleger’s invitation to Belafonte violated both of these restrictions.)

Other pro-choice (vis a vis abortion) advocates whom Pfleger (who describes himself as “pro-life”) has invited to be guest speakers at his church include Barack Obama, Louis Farrakhan, and Al Sharpton.

In February 2003 the Marxist professor Cornel West appeared, at Pfleger’s invitation, as a guest speaker at Saint Sabina.

On another occasion, Pfleger invited Kareem Irfan, former Chairman of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago, to speak at Saint Sabina on the fourth anniversary of 9/11. A member of the Islamic Society of North America, Irfan has characterized Islamic beheadings of non-Muslims not as acts of evil, but rather as manifestations of “a primordial sense of retaliation and revenge.”

In 2004 Pfleger joined the Alliance for Diversity in Programming, a coalition of more than 200 activists who demanded that Congress and the Federal Communications Commission compel television networks to increase on-camera representation of blacks and Hispanics. Other members of this Alliance included James Zogby of the Arab American Institute, as well as representatives of such organizations as the NAACP, the League of United Latin American Citizens, the National Urban League, the Rainbow / PUSH Coalition, and the National Council of La Raza.

In 1995 and 2006, Pfleger contributed money to the congressional campaigns of Jesse Jackson, Jr.

Pfleger has had a longstanding friendly relationship (since the late 1980s) with Barack Obama and has played a significant role as a spiritual advisor for the latter. Between 1995 and 2001, Pfleger contributed a total of $1,500 to Obama’s various political campaigns -- including a $200 donation in April 2001, approximately three months after Obama (who was then an Illinois State Senator) had helped steer $225,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs.

In January 2007 Pfleger said that Obama, who had recently announced his candidacy for the U.S. presidency, “is the best thing to come across the political scene since Bobby Kennedy.” “I think Barack Obama is in a class of his own,” Pfleger added. “… When anybody comes with that much hope, whether it’s a Bobby Kennedy or whether it’s a Martin Luther King Jr., they do become vulnerable. They become vulnerable because they tell the country and the world that we can be better and we don’t have to accept what is. And unfortunately, we live in a world where not everybody wants it to be different.” Obama’s campaign would later feature Pfleger’s enthusiastic endorsement on its website.

Pfleger’s support for Obama consisted not only of words, but also of action. He hosted a number of faith forums for the candidate.

In 2007 Pfleger and Jesse Jackson spearheaded a campaign to shut down Chuck's Gun Shop, a firearms dealer in Riverdale, Illinois. As Jackson explained their rationale: “The suburbs have surrounded the city with these gun shops. Jobs are going out, guns are coming in.” Pfleger and Jackson led weekly demonstrations in front of the store. During one particular rally in May 2007, Pfleger warned that he and his followers were prepared to “drag” the store’s owner, John Riggio, from his shop “like a rat” and “snuff” him -- a slang term for murder. Pfleger then proceeded to tell the crowd that legislators who failed to support gun-control legislation should be “snuffed” as well. (Click here to listen to the audio of these remarks.) Jackson and Pfleger ignored police warnings that they would be arrested if they continued to block the store’s entrance; both were taken into custody and charged with criminal trespass to property.

In March 2008 Pfleger invited Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s longtime pastor, to deliver a blessing at Saint Sabina Church during a visit by the poet Maya Angelou. Wright at the time was embroiled in controversy over a host of virulently anti-American remarks he had made in numerous sermons. “I invited Dr. Wright because he is a friend, mentor and hero of mine and because he is someone for whom I have great respect,” said Pfleger. “I also invited him to feel and see the great love and respect people have for him…. Dr. Wright is one of the great biblical scholars of our country and the best of preachers in the prophetic tradition. Dr. Wright has been shamefully demonized by 30-second sound bites that have tried to re-define him into someone other than who he is.” Pfleger’s congregation greeted Wright with a standing ovation.

According to Pfleger, “[Wright is] not bigoted. He’s not anti-American. He’s not hateful…. He’s a true patriot because he loves the country enough to criticize it and challenge it.” Expanding on this theme, Pfleger said: “America has to take responsibility for its actions around the world. And we have done some shameful things around the world.” (Click here for the video of a sermon in which Pfleger angrily condemned Wright's critics in the spring of 2008.)

Pfleger's views on race were shaped, in large measure, by black radicalism in the 1960s. "I got very educated by the [Black] Panthers -- very educated," Pfleger once told Trumpet magazine, a publication of Rev. Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ.

Pfleger is also a great admirer of Louis Farrakhan: “I’ve known the minister [Farrakhan] both as someone who I have great respect for as a prophetic voice, as a mentor but also as a friend and as a brother,” said Pfleger. “We’ve become very close friends over the years. Our families have been close; he’s shared dinner at my house as I have at his many, many times. He has preached from our pulpit here at this church on three different occasions. We’ve worked together on issues not only for this community but in the city and in the nation.”

On another occasion an interviewer asked Pfleger how he could support Farrakhan, “a guy who calls Judaism a gutter religion, who calls Jews bloodsuckers.” Pfleger replied: “Okay, first of all he has not called Judaism a gutter religion and bloodsuckers [sic]. That is not what he has said.… I stick up for Louis Farrakhan because he is another person that the media has chosen to define how they want to do it. And they demonize how they want to demonize somebody.… I know the man, Louis Farrakhan. He is a great man who I have great respect for, who has done an awful lot for people in this country -- black, white, and brown. He’s a friend of mine.… He is not a bigot and he is not a hater…. He is a person who has had the freedom to speak about the injustices that have been done in this country to African Americans and to poor people in general.”

Pfleger has repeatedly defended Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam and has impugned Jewish critics of that organization for their “narrowness” of mind.

Pfleger views America as a nation infested with “classism and racism,” and he identifies white racism as “the number one sin in this country.” “Unfortunately,” he adds, “in America we don’t have a real good history of serving all its [the nation’s] people. Unfortunately in America there is a double standard society. And it’s as real forty years after Dr. King’s death. … Dr King, I believe, would cry today if he looked at this country and saw the plight of poor people ...”

At the February 2006 funeral of Coretta Scott King, Pfleger said that America’s “greatest addiction is to racism.” In a similar vein, he suggests that blacks in the United States are in constant danger of being attacked or exploited by white racists. “African American life in America is still threatened and still at risk,” he says.

In May 2008, Pfleger was a guest preacher at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC), where the recently retired Jeremiah Wright had been pastor for 36 years. TUCC's new pastor, Otis Moss, introduced Pfleger to the congregation as a “brother beloved,... a preacher par-excellence,... a prophetic powerful pulpiteer.” In his sermon, Pfleger argued in favor of slavery reparations:

“Honestly now, to address the one who says, ‘Don’t hold me responsible for what my ancestors did.’ But you have enjoyed the benefits of what your ancestors did ... and unless you are ready to give up the benefits, throw away your 401 fund, throw away your trust fund, throw away all the monies you put away into the company you walked into because your daddy and grand daddy … Unless you are willing to give up the benefits then you must be responsible for what was done in your generation, because you are the beneficiaries of this insurance policy.”

In the same sermon, Pfleger impugned white Americans for failing to understand the responsibility they all bore for the historical and continuing afflictions of the black community. Said Pfleger:

"It's like saying to a woman who's been repeatedly raped over, and over, and over, and over, over, and over [and telling her] 'you need to get over it.'  'The HELL I do,' [she would say]. Get the sucker who's been raping me and make him pay.' Well, America has been raping people of color, and America has to pay the price. America has to pay the price for the rape."

Also in that sermon, Pfleger made reference to a recent incident where Senator Hillary Clinton had cried publicly as she became resigned to the fact that she inevitably would lose her bid for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination to Barack Obama. Said Pfleger:

“We must be honest enough to expose white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises its head…. [W]hen Hillary was crying, and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought, ‘This is mine. I'm Bill's [Bill Clinton's]wife. I'm white. And this is mine. I just got to get up and step into the plate.’ And then out of nowhere came, ‘hey, I'm Barack Obama.’ And she said, ‘Oh damn, where did you come from? I'm white. I'm entitled. There's a black man stealing my show.’” Pfleger then mimicked Mrs. Clinton crying as the audience gave him a standing ovation. Added Pfleger: “She wasn't the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people cryin’.”

When portions of this sermon were aired widely by the media, Obama denounced Pfleger's rhetoric as "divisive" and "backward-looking," and soon thereafter he announced that he was leaving Trinity church.


114 posted on 06/03/2008 5:32:16 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: kitkat; ELS

I have read that Pfleger was slated to be reassigned after 6 years on the job but he caused major protests to be staged by the congregation and was allowed to stay. A similar strategy was used the next two times he was up for rotation. The spineless hierarchy caved every time, in spite of the policy of reassignment every 6 years. The personality cult situation that Pfleger has developed is exactly what this policy is designed to avoid.


115 posted on 06/03/2008 5:33:15 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: Deo volente

That’s an interesting comment.

Cardinal George is President of the USCCB and a cancer survivor. He allows the TLM Mass openly in his Archdiocese. He also invited Pope Benedict into the famous “Crypt meeting” with all the USCCB Bishops and pushed for the open microphone and press coverage. In advance, he and Cardinal Sean of Boston had stopped with the Holy Father to see the “abuse victims” which stunned the Pope by all accounts. He was totally “part of the program” and filled in the Pontiff fully on what had happened. His comments reflect that if you care to read what he said to Pope Benedict.

Cardinal George is a good, holy man. It is a shame that this has happened in his Archdiocese. So, he moved closely to limit the scandal.

Recall that this priest is very popular at St. Sabina’s. His move is delicate therefore but HE acted.

Frank


116 posted on 06/03/2008 5:33:31 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed
The meditation in the Magnificat was from Saint Augustine and was magnificent.

Is there a citation as to which writing of St. Augustine's it is from? I'd love to read it. Thanks.

Regarding your tag line, isn't there a statue of V. Capodanno in Manhattan somewhere? I remember reading about it and wanted to go see it, but when I tried to search for it on Google, I didn't get any results in Manhattan.

117 posted on 06/03/2008 5:39:22 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: SFConservative
The personality cult situation that Pfleger has developed is exactly what this policy is designed to avoid.

Perhaps, however, a cult of personality is not supposed to occur in the first place. The priest is supposed to be a spiritual leader/father who cares for his spiritual children. That includes leading by example in virtues such as humility which would preclude a cult of personality from occurring.

Just as one doesn't get assigned a new physical father every six years, it is not the Church's idea that a priest should be reassigned every six years. It was not unknown for a priest to administer the sacraments to multiple generations of a family.

118 posted on 06/03/2008 5:52:58 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: All; Coleus

More of this need to be done - getting rid of priests who don’t act like priests.


119 posted on 06/03/2008 6:01:53 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: warsaw44

thanks to all y’all for replying

Deus beatus vos totus


120 posted on 06/03/2008 6:11:27 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama?...........you actually deserve to be referred to as "boy")
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To: Pyro7480
Like Wright, he's wasting his comedic talent on partisan politics. He should get an agent. If he can find a sidekick to play Squiggy he won't be out of work long.


121 posted on 06/03/2008 6:19:50 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ELS

I am sorry that I don’t have the source for the St. Augustine quote. I’m certain that it is buried in the “minute font” at the end of the Magnificat so I’ll have to look it up. It was very moving and dealt with the coin with Caesar and the image on the soul imprinted by God.

As for Fr. Capodanno, here is the website devoted to his cause for sainthood:

http://www.vincentcapodanno.org/

He was made most famous by the recent book “Grunt Padre” which was written by a priest who is also a Chaplain and is stationed in Virginia. Fr. Dan Mode was in Afghanistan for a time with the SFs. IIRC, Fr. Mode comes from a famous military family.

I know that the Knights of Columbus have a Council named after Fr. Capodanno in Quantico, and that he is “good to go” with the Marines who honor him. He was a Maryknoll who served two tours in Vietnam and was killed ministering to a wounded man who was one of those who gave testimony in his cause for Sainthood.

If you want the full lowdown, check out the MOH website and see Capodanno under the listees. His certificate for the MOH is quite astounding. He was wounded multiple times but would not retreat.

http://www.vincentcapodanno.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=11&Itemid=34

Requiescat in pace, Pater Vincentus! Ora pro nobis!


122 posted on 06/03/2008 6:27:33 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: ELS

http://www.vincentcapodanno.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=13&Itemid=37

Staten Island, NY.


123 posted on 06/03/2008 6:34:49 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: wardaddy

Hey! You’ve a very beautiful family, WR ( nice homepage by the way ) God Bless you all.


124 posted on 06/03/2008 6:40:34 PM PDT by warsaw44 (Anyone here speak Romanian? I'm serious.)
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To: Pyro7480; NYer

Hallelujah! This heresy has gone on long enough
in our diocese.

I wrote to the good Cardinal today. I pray he
acquires the wisdom and grace of God to do that
which is necessary to protect Holy Church.

As I said in my letter

~~~

A committed priest doesn’t adopt his behavior to the community in which he’s assigned, taking on their indigenous rituals, thinking and speech. A committed and faithful man of God, who respects his vows to God and Holy Church, preaches the accurate Gospel of the Lord, and loyally leads his congregation in following the precepts and traditions of the Catholic Church.

This man has it all backwards, and I find it obscene.


125 posted on 06/03/2008 7:19:23 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Tarkus2040

Regardless, this is my final post on this thread.

~~

Good. Best to stick to the subject at hand,
when you post.


126 posted on 06/03/2008 7:30:16 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Pyro7480; american colleen; Aquinasfan; B Knotts; BlackElk; Blue Eyes; Campion; Chi-townChief; ...
(Cardinal) George Temporarily Removes Pfleger From St. Sabina

There is nothing "temporary" about this. You can be sure that Phleger has been taken to the wood shed many times out of the public eye. The fact that the diocese went public this time means that the gig is up. He's done.

The question now, is whether he'll remain a priest. Anyone whose been so defiant to authority in the past is not about to buckle under now. I anticipate that he will become an independent activist. The show is just starting as he goes it alone completely unbridled by moderating constraint.

The whole thing is tragic. I've met Phleger on a few occasions. I've seen first hand what he's done to create an oasis of civilization in the middle of one of the most heroin infested neighborhoods in Chicago. I think his heart was in the right place, but he got lost in the jungle.

It's Chicago's Apocalypse Now.

127 posted on 06/03/2008 7:34:01 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: poobear
G-d is Good!

Perhaps... But, God is great!

128 posted on 06/03/2008 7:36:41 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: Pyro7480

STATEMENT OF FRANCIS CARDINAL GEORGE, O.M.I.,
ARCHBISHOP OF CHICAGO
June 3, 2008

To put recent events in some perspective, I have asked Father Michael Pfleger, Pastor of St. Sabina’s Parish, to step back from his obligations there and take leave for a couple of weeks from his pastoral duties, effective today. Fr. Pfleger does not believe this to be the right step at this time. While respecting his disagreement, I have nevertheless asked him to use this opportunity to reflect on his recent statements and actions in the light of the Church’s regulations for all Catholic priests. I hope that this period will also be a time away from the public spotlight and for rest and attention to family concerns.

I hope also that the life of St. Sabina’s parish may continue in uninterrupted fashion. Fr. William Vanecko, Pastor of St. Kilian’s parish, will be temporary administrator of St. Sabina’s and will assure the full complement of ministerial services during this period. I ask the members of St. Sabina’s parish to cooperate with him and to keep him and Fr. Pfleger in their prayers. They are in mine.


129 posted on 06/03/2008 7:42:36 PM PDT by cheme
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To: livius
“couldn’t speak your mind in George Bush’s America,”

Of course, one would have to have a mind in the first place, before it could be spoken.

130 posted on 06/03/2008 7:49:21 PM PDT by ducdriver (Quantum potes tantum aude.)
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To: Barnacle
I think his heart was in the right place, but he got lost in the jungle.

It's Chicago's Apocalypse Now.

Perhaps, a more apt analogy would be Chicago's Heart Of Darkness.

132 posted on 06/03/2008 8:00:35 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Bill O’Reilly called for this thing...I am sure he will be pleased as punch.

If you like O'Really?, you must not have seen his lying hit piece he did on Free Republic and Freepers in general.

133 posted on 06/03/2008 8:02:15 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: ktime
As a Catholic, I have to make a point of fact here. The priests were not removed voluntarily by Bishops or Cardinals. The priests were arrested and were in custody of the state. In fact, most pedophile priests have not been excommunicated and still draw pensions. For decades, Cardinals and Bishops knew there was abuse taking place and just shuttled the problem priests among different parishes causing more victims. Had the problem been taken care earlier by RCC leadership, hundreds of parishes and Catholic schools around the country would not have to close to fund lawsuit payments.

You're right about all that. But you err by lumping the good bishops in with the guilty. Many bishops across the country had few or no abusive priests. Unfortunately, we had many bishops in major sees who were homo-friendly and who protected predatory homosexual priests under the (faulty) advice of psychiatrists who said that they could be reformed. Worse, there were (are) almost certainly some bishops who are homosexuals themselves and who filled their dioceses with homosexual priests by design. These bishops are subject to blackmail--see Archbishop Rembert Weakland, formerly of Milwaukee--which is one of the favorite tactics of the Lavender Mafia. Not surprisingly, you'll find the most cases of abusive priests in the dioceses which had homo-friendly bishops.

Needless to say, the most notorious American bishops paid no heed to Vatican directives of any kind. The Vatican told them in 1961 not to ordain homosexuals, but many didn't listen. They have reaped what they sowed.

For their part, the Vatican has been a lot more careful about episcopal appointments since the 1990s--we had a horrible nuncio in the US before then--and the results have been a marked improvement in our bishops. We still have a ways to go, though.
134 posted on 06/03/2008 8:02:15 PM PDT by Antoninus (John 6:54)
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To: Pyro7480

Let’s hope this become permanent.


135 posted on 06/03/2008 8:05:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Pyro7480
Tomorrow's headline today:

Cardinal George: Shake a Leg Pfleger!


136 posted on 06/03/2008 8:07:33 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: Revolting cat!

Can’t they send him to Rome ? There are plenty of job openings for him there:

Someone has to be in charge of keeping the Pope’s slippers clean.... I think it should be this guy.

Or maybe he can be the Pope’s personal hat/skull cap straightener....He needs one of those.

He could bake communion wafers...they never seem to have enough of them at Mass...

Polish the marble steps...

Iron the altar cloth...(We must keep tidy)

Restore the paintings on the ceilings....(That should be done every so often)

Run the bingo gam at the Vatican on Wednesday nights and Saturday afternoons.....

Open and close the Pope’s window on Sunday blessing of the mass.

Wash the Pope Mobile- daily. (He is the Pope you know)

That should keep him busy until November or so. :)


137 posted on 06/03/2008 8:24:25 PM PDT by RobinWWJD
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To: Tarkus2040
Speaking the truth is getting pretty darn dull around here, eh?

You have no idea what you're talking about. The Catholic Church in the US has been dealing with a homosexual infiltration problem since at least the 1950s. The Vatican ordered the US bishops not to ordain homosexuals in the early 1960s. Some listened, many didn't. The abuse crisis is the fault of those who allowed homosexuals to infiltrate the Church in large numbers.

That said, it's ridiculous to hang the entire problem around the neck of the Catholic Church. Homosexual sexual abuse was tolerated by homosexual friendly bishops. I daresay we've had a job getting rid of these characters over the past 40 years. But slowly and surely we are getting rid of them. Compare that to the record of the Episcopal Church (to take the most egregious example) or any of the other mainline Protestant churches. They have chosen to embrace homosexuality. Do you think for a minute they don't have their own sex abuse crises? Don't kid yourself. The difference is, the news media isn't keen on blowing the whistle on their ideological buddies.

And don't even get me started on abuse in the public school system. Do you think there will EVER be an explosive nationwide expose on abuse in public schools that rivals the rectal exam the Catholic Church went through? You heard it hear first--there won't be. And the problem is, perhaps, an order of magnitude worse in the schools.
138 posted on 06/03/2008 8:36:38 PM PDT by Antoninus (John 6:54)
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To: Pyro7480

I’ll believe it when I see it.

George must be very worried about the church losing its tax-exempt status in the Diocese. For years, priests who spoke out from the pulpit against pro-abortion candidates were threatened with this.

Now let’s see if Pfleger’s minstrel show will be treated as it should and as he should, under the tax laws.


139 posted on 06/03/2008 8:37:22 PM PDT by Palladin (Pfooey on Pfleger!)
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To: warsaw44

thanks


140 posted on 06/03/2008 8:39:05 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama?...........you actually deserve to be referred to as "boy")
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To: cheme
STATEMENT OF FRANCIS CARDINAL GEORGE, O.M.I., ARCHBISHOP OF CHICAGO June 3, 2008

To put recent events in some perspective, I have asked Father Michael Pfleger, Pastor of St. Sabina’s Parish, to step back from his obligations there and take leave for a couple of weeks from his pastoral duties, effective today. Fr. Pfleger does not believe this to be the right step at this time. While respecting his disagreement, I have nevertheless asked him to use this opportunity to reflect on his recent statements and actions in the light of the Church’s regulations for all Catholic priests. I hope that this period will also be a time away from the public spotlight and for rest and attention to family concerns.

Interpretation: Let me give it to you straight. I told Phleger to chill out for a couple of weeks. He mouthed off and I had to remind him that I'm the boss and he's got to stop shooting off his big mouth. He's a Catholic priest and if he wants to remain one, he'd better start acting like one. Maybe once he's out of the circus atmosphere, he can get his head out of his %*&.

I hope also that the life of St. Sabina’s parish may continue in uninterrupted fashion. Fr. William Vanecko, Pastor of St. Kilian’s parish, will be temporary administrator of St. Sabina’s and will assure the full complement of ministerial services during this period. I ask the members of St. Sabina’s parish to cooperate with him and to keep him and Fr. Pfleger in their prayers. They are in mine.

Interpretation: Don't you parishioners get any crazy ideas. This is a Catholic church and I have the power to excommunicate. A guy I can trust will be running the show. Don't give him any grief. Pray for Phleger. He's going to need all the prayers he can get.

141 posted on 06/03/2008 8:46:17 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: pogo101

Pogo,

Good question, and maybe it’s slowly but surely going that way, let us pray! I may have a partial answer for you, my post (#24) on another Phleger thread from a few days ago. (I have family from Chicago and relatives in the priesthood on which I base this opinion):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2024030/posts


142 posted on 06/03/2008 8:48:33 PM PDT by baa39
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To: JZelle

He’ll probably immediately be offered a prestigious teaching position at a Jesuit university.
;-)


143 posted on 06/03/2008 8:52:16 PM PDT by baa39
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To: Miss Marple; Boagenes

There’s a bit of clarification needed to the “priest for life” statement. The Sacrament of Holy Orders is permanent, a priest is ontologically different than a layperson... forever. Yes, it would be unusual to “defrock” him, however, there have been extreme cases (such as Michael Fox) where a priest is excommunicated. He could also be laicized without being excommunicated (reduced to the lay state, but could continue as a regular practicing Catholic). He could also be allowed to remain a priest, but banned from performing the sacraments (he could not say mass, baptize, etc).


144 posted on 06/03/2008 9:00:02 PM PDT by baa39
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To: Frank Sheed

Cardinal George also had some childhood disease (polio?) that causes him every once in a while to fall. He doesn’t lose consciousness, he will just stumble or collapse. I’ve heard he makes light of it and jokingly warns folks, “if I fall, just prop me back up and I’ll go right along...”

He really is a good guy, and has been trying to clean up the Phleger mess he inherited for some years, and looks like the good Father finally gave him the break he needed, ironically by something much LESS egregious than the catechetical and liturgical abuses going on in that parish for years.


145 posted on 06/03/2008 9:07:18 PM PDT by baa39
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To: Barnacle

I’m just guessing here because I don’t know much about him but it sounds like the ego got him.


146 posted on 06/03/2008 9:21:33 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Pyro7480
It's about time!

No kidding!

147 posted on 06/03/2008 9:45:31 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

His theology wasn’t about Christ to begin with, it was “Liberation Theology” based on Karl Marx and defining “people of color” as the oppressed and whites as the oppressors.

Popes JP II and Benedict XVI have both spoken out against it and disciplined the clergy and theologians who preach and teach it.


148 posted on 06/04/2008 12:27:33 AM PDT by Nextrush (MCCAIN, OBAMA, CLINTON......WHAT A CHOICE?)
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To: Pyro7480

Doesn’t David Duke need a Priest.


149 posted on 06/04/2008 1:22:18 AM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: sandyeggo; TexasCajun
Father Michael Pfleger reminds me of Eminem

Have to agree with you.

I don't. Eminem is a class act aside of this guy.

150 posted on 06/04/2008 1:44:41 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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