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Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind (excerpts & commentary)[Open]
BK: Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind ^ | 1996 | Jesse Duplantis

Posted on 06/06/2008 1:08:47 PM PDT by Quix

Dearly Beloved . . .

Following are some brief excerpts from Bro Jesse's book. I've read a number of Heavenly Visitation narratives. They are all different in some respects. Some folks might think that they are so different that the individuals must be visiting a different place. I don't feel that way. There's usually some things that are essentially the same.

Virtually always, there's some aspect of the narrative that some group of Christians gets all up in arms about being unBiblical. I've never found any of the more convincing narratives that way, personally.

I have observed that there's virtually always some part of the narrative that folks FEEL IS UNBIBILICAL BECAUSE--THEIR assumptions and private interpretations were jangled. So, it's not the Scripture that is being contradicted but it's individual ASSUMPTIONS and extrapolations about Scripture that's being challenged.

One of the other most impressive narratives to me is that of ROLAND BUCK of the Buck knives family. He was A of G pastor of First Assembly in Boise, Idaho. His book: ANGELS ON ASSIGNMENT is available free for downloading at:

http://www.angelsonassignment.org/http://www.angelsonassignment.org/

I post these excerpts for discussion, not contentiousness. I post it as an open thread instead of a Charismatic caucus thread because I believe that a more free wheeling discussion is likely to be more productive and interesting.

I post such particularly as an encouragement in these challenging, darkening times.

The book is available at the website. There is a package of DVD, book and audio CD's available. I suppose there are some few details in one media not in another. But on the whole, all 3 media types have essentially the identical content--at least 98% or so.

I encourage you to prayerfully consider buying one of the versions. I think it's worth it.

Probably the DVD video set is the most worth it. Jesse is a Cajun. He used to be a rock star. He's fairly funny and quite down to earth. That all comes across best in the video set.

Here goes:

The first part of his life is a narrative about his mother praying for a preacher. And God pointing out that Jesse was the one of the 3 sons and 1 daughter that was chosen of God to be a preacher. Mother was incredulous that God would pick Jesse but prayed accordingly.

Following were many years of Jesse running from God and engaging in all manner of drugs and sin as a rock star etc. and God 'dogging' him in the process.

His Heavenly visitation began after Jesse felt constrained to get up from a steak dinner at a nearby restaurant with a pastor who's church he was to speak at, IIRC . . . and just after the steaks arrived, Jesse got up and excused himself because he felt constrained in his spirit to go to his hotel room.

There, he knelt and noticed that the digital clock said one o-clock. He said "God, what's the matter?"

He felt sucked up out of his room . . . he didn't know at the time whether he was in his body or out of it. I think later he felt he was in his body. He heard a Whoosh.

He found himself traveling in an enclosed cable car type enclosure at a very fast speed.

p. 69:

"Then I looked up. There stood another being. I realized it was the blond-headed angel who had visited me in the bedroom that night in Jonesville. . . 'Where are we going?' "

"He smiled and said, 'You have an appointment with the Lord God Jehovah."

"I felt the chariot slowing down; then it came to a stop. When the door opened, I experienced the shock of my life: I was in heaven!"

He recounts similar things all Heavenly visitors have said about the flowers etc. . . . such as colors unseen here; fragrance unknown here; flowers truning and following you as you walk by . . . etc.

He was still dressed in his jeans and a shirt but saw others dressed in robes and others dressed in gowns. He goes into a distinction--evidently Biblical--about robes of righteousness and I forget what the gowns were mentioned as in Scripture.

And, folks were eating fruit from trees to strengthen them and enable them to stand before The Throne--as Jesse himself was destined to do--though not really stand, much being mostly on his face like most people.

Evidently the folks with gowns believed in God and made it in but still had a lot to be taught about God that they didn't learn on earth. He refd Is 61:10,11 about the 2 types of garments.

He asserted that Abraham is the first one folks meet--not Peter--that all believers are Abraham's kids.

He noted that there were no shadows nor dust in Heaven.

All the aborted babies and kids that died before the age of accountability were there. Evidently many more Chinese kids without parents than other races.

He found children around Jesus wonderous to watch.

On meeting Jesus . . . p 88

". . . I thought there would be scars in His hands and feet. But it wasn't like He had been cut and scarred. I coudl see the holes in his feet. They were so big--about the size of a nickel--that light was shining through them. . . ."

p89 "I said. "Jesus!" He said simply, "Do you like this place?" I said, "Yes, Sir."

p90 " 'I want you to go back and tell my people, I'm coming.'

'But they won't believe me,' I said. "They didn't believe it for centuries, but I came, and I'm coming again."

. . . "I said, 'They know that'" "'No, they don't know that. I brought you here so that you would go tell them I'm coming. Do you hear Me? I'm coming. Go tell them."

He had quite a discussion with ST Paul.

Paul noted p. 97:

"'Our affliction is but for a moment. People have made it a lifetime. Change it back to a moment.'"

He said David was the only one he saw in Heaven with a crown besides Christ Jesus.

David p100: "I did write songs of my experiences, like a lot of other people do. But the better ones are when I allowed the lordship of God in me to come out more than the trouble that I spoke about."

" . . . I wish I had written more songs about God's answers than about my problems."

Jesse was given a tour of his house in Heaven. He was shocked to find it had high ceilings, moldings and furniture just like he likes here on earth. And he was surprised to see mountains and snow in Heaven though there was no cold.

David said:

"Jesse, the earth is God's creation. His taste there is His taste here. Every desire you could possibly think of has been met to your specification for your home, plus God put a few of His own. . . "

p. 105 "' Whose houses are these? . . . The patriarchs?'"

"' Yes, these are where the prophets live."

As we went by, they waved and said, "Hi, David."

"when I waved back, they said, "Hi, Jesse."

"They know me?"

David explained. 'You have preached their sermons. God blesses them with knowing their messages are still reaching people."

"I had to keep eating more of that copper-colored type of fruit because I felt weak."

p 111 "I saw twenty four empty seats near the Throne. . . " "Jesse, we're servants here," David told me . . ."They're out in the city and in Paradise blessing and helping people. We help people here. Everyone serves. Somebody is always trying to do somethign for you. Someone will always ask, 'What can I do for you?'"

p128, 129 "I felt that He [Jesus] was saying our eyes should be on Him, Jesus, instead of on the great tribulation period."

"But as His Body, we are in disobedience by fighting each other. We're not coming together with the witness of Who He is. Satan's greatest ally is our division in the Body of Christ. I thinkn Jesus wants us, the Church, to be looking more at Who He is instead of focusing on our differences."

"If the Body of Christ, the Church, would begin to reveal Who Christ is, and lift Him--the Person of Jesus Christ--up for the world to see, people will be drawn to him. . . ."

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I think he's right.

I don't think there are any startling revelations about Heaven in this book. But it is an encouraging read.

It also includes a narrative about how he began worshipping as he was driving from one place in Louisiana to another--that took a minimum of an hour and a half or some such to drive.

His car filled up with a fog and he was lost in worship raising both hands . . . when he realized what he was doing and grabbed the steering wheel and pulled over to a pay phone, he was already at the destination and his wife noted on the phone call what time it was--he could not have traveled that distance by that time by car short of Holy Spirit moving him along supernaturally. He has proof of when he left etc. Fascinating case of such.


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Welllllllllll, there you have it. I hope it's an encouragement to some.

I've checked him out by my teen pastor who also pastors in Lousiana. They don't know him personally. And they've heard that he can pull a bit long for donations. Otherwise, they don't know of anything negative about him.

1 posted on 06/06/2008 1:08:47 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix

Good read, thanks.


2 posted on 06/06/2008 1:15:35 PM PDT by Grunthor (McCain sucks, Obama blows and the United States is screwed.)
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To: Quix

While interesting, two parts of this would appear to be unbiblical.

1) anybody who believes in God gets into heaven. Not Biblical.
2) there is no age of accountability.....people claim there is, but there is no evidence for this.


3 posted on 06/06/2008 1:22:31 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas

I think you are reading things into it.

I said ‘age of accountability’ I don’t know that that phrase was used in any of the media. It was my interpretation of what was described.

The “anybody who believes in God’ is an over simplification. He didn’t spell it out and I didn’t either. I don’t know precisely that would entail from God’s perspective.

Scripture says quite plainly that those who call on the Name of The Lord shall be saved.

There is the whole rest of Scripture to compare with that.

However, I’m convinced that God’s nature is such that He’s looking for Biblical excuse to save people, not Biblical excuse to damn them.

Regardless . . . you are certainly free to think what you will.

Thanks for your bothering to reply.


4 posted on 06/06/2008 1:28:03 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Grunthor

Thanks for saying so. You are quite welcome.


5 posted on 06/06/2008 1:28:47 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Don’t forget, Christ said all who call “Lord, Lord” will not be saved. Yes God wants to save people, through Christ Jesus. Accept that fact, and you are a changed person, saved and free.


6 posted on 06/06/2008 1:50:41 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: vpintheak

I certainly agree.


7 posted on 06/06/2008 1:55:16 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

They are called theophanies, I experienced one back in 1996. I can’t wait to have another or die. Whatever God decides I’m willing to stay here and do His will or join Him in the heaven He has created. Folks, its all good!


8 posted on 06/06/2008 2:50:33 PM PDT by STD (Obama the most embarrassing candidate since Carter or DuKaKa)
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To: Quix

Very interesting, Quix. Thank you. I look forward to the respectful commentary of others on this thread.


9 posted on 06/06/2008 3:17:48 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com & http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: STD

How wonderful for you. Envy, envy, envy...


10 posted on 06/06/2008 3:39:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: STD

As I understand it . . . there are various kinds.

Some are visions. Some are visits.

Roland Buck when he came to himself at his desk in his home office had in his hands a piece of vellum like paper with the 120 items on it that God the Father had told him would happen in the near future written in a beautiful script.

That was not a vision. That was a visit.

Jesse is convinced he had a visit. The copper colored fruit he ate to be able to survive the presence of God the Father and even of Christ was real juicy and he sort of was a bit messy in eating it and slightly embarrassed about that but, of course, it was of no consequence there.

Can you share more from your experience?


11 posted on 06/06/2008 4:30:10 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Very interesting. It reminds me of some of the things John Etheredge has written about Heaven, although I believe he writes from a point of deduction, rather than revelation.


12 posted on 06/06/2008 4:33:31 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Heartless butcher of shrubbery.)
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To: LibertyRocks; Alamo-Girl; airborne; American in Israel; AnimalLover; auggy; backhoe; backslacker; ..

END TIMES/ DREAMS/ VISIONS/ PROPHECY PING LIST PING. Please let me know if you want on or off this list

As do I. I should ping the list. And maybe I’ll put Joel Rosenberg’s email he sent Joya in on this post, too . . .

Interestingly, it notes that Netanyahu is likely to be the next leader of Israel. There is a Bible code indicating he may well be assassinated as Israel’s leader. Been a long time since I checked that site. I should check it.

Thanks, Liberty for your kind msg.

LUB

From Joya | 06/06/2008 1:17:26 PM PDT new

http://joelrosenberg.blogspot.com/

AHMADINEJAD VOWS U.S., ISRAEL WILL BE “ANNIHILATED” SOON

Senior Israeli official says war with Iran may be “unvoidable.” Meanwhile, Olmert’s government on verge of collapse.

By Joel C. Rosenberg
(Washington, D.C., June 6, 2008) —

Using some of his most apocalyptic rhetoric yet, Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is vowing that the United States and Israel will soon be “annihilated,” even as he refuses to abandon Iran’s nuclear program.

Marking the 19th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Khomeini, Ahmadinejad said: “Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started.”

He also insisted that “I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene.”

Are Israeli leaders thus planning to launch a massive air
attack on Iran before the end of the year, or even before new national elections in Israel which may take place as early as November? Or are they trying to persuade the U.S. to do it before President Bush leaves office? Perhaps both. Which underscores the point I’ve been making for some time — while we intensify our efforts to pray for peace in the epicenter, we also need to be intensifying our efforts to prepare for war.

“An Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear sites looks ‘unavoidable’ given the apparent failure of Western sanctions to deny Tehran technology with bomb-making potential,” Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz said Friday, according to Reuters report. “If Iran continues with its program for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack it. The sanctions are ineffective,” said Mofaz.

“It was the most explicit threat yet against Iran from a member of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s government, which, like the Bush administration, has preferred to hint at force as a last resort should United Nations Security Council sanctions fail to achieve the desired abandonment of nuclear development by Tehran. Iran, which denies seeking nuclear weapons, has defied Western pressure to abandon its uranium enrichment projects. The leadership in Tehran has also threatened to retaliate against Israel — believed to have the Middle East’s only atomic arsenal — and U.S. targets in the Gulf for any attack on Iranian turf. Mofaz also said in the interview that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called for Israel to be wiped off the map, ‘would disappear before Israel does.’”

“[T]he White House sidestepped questions about the Israeli threat to attack Iranian nuclear sites, saying it would not respond to hypothetical question,” reported Ynet News in Israel. “’The world community, I believe, is united in the desire to make sure that Iran doesn’t develop a nuclear weapon and have a severe threat that we don’t want to see come to fruition,’ White House spokesman Scott Stanzel told reporters. But asked specifically whether the United States would support an Israeli strike on Iran, he said, ‘I’m not going to talk about hypotheticals. I think we’ve been pretty clear in recent weeks and months about our approach on Iran.’”...

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is warning that Israel may soon be forced to launch a major military operation in Gaza to stop thousands of rockets, mortars and missiles which continue raining down on the southern cities and towns of the Jewish State....

Reports the Jerusalem Post: “Prime Minister Ehud Olmert returned to Israel from the US on Friday morning and, echoing the previous day’s remarks by Defense Minister Ehud Barak, hinted that Gaza’s day of reckoning was fast approaching. ‘We are constantly evaluating between the possibility [of a deal] to reach complete quiet and the lack of a possibility of reaching such an agreement,’ he said. ‘The absence of the latter option will draw us closer to an operation that will be much harsher and tougher against the [terror] groups.

“According to the information we have now, the pendulum is closer to a decision to embark on a harsh operation in the Gaza Strip than it is to an agreement with the terror organizations,’ continued Olmert.

Olmert’s comments came a day after Amnon Rozenberg, 51, a father of three, was killed by a Gaza shell that hit the Nirlat paint factory at Kibbutz Nir Oz. The Security Cabinet is set to convene on Tuesday to discuss a response to the incessant attacks from Gaza. Olmert told an Israel Radio reporter that Israel was exploring all the options available in order to achieve complete quiet for southerners without the need to enter into a violent and severe confrontation with terror groups in the Strip, adding, however, that there was a distinct possibility Israel would need to embark on an offensive and extensive operation against Palestinian terror groups.”

Weighing heavily on Olmert as he makes decisions about Iran and Gaza is his own precarious political position, and the fact that both he and President Bush will be out of office soon. Olmert was in Washington earlier this week, meeting with President Bush and other senior administration officials, as well as addressing the annual conference of AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. But Olmert’s trip may be his last to D.C. as premier.

The buzz out of Israel is that early elections are increasingly expected, perhaps this November or December. While this is not yet official — and Israeli politics are notoriously turbulent and unpredictable — leaders and field workers of the major parties are working under the assumption that the Olmert government, tainted by the failed Second Lebanon War and new allegations of corruption, is on its last legs and that they need to be ready for snap elections in the fall. For now, all eyes are focused on June 18th, the dates the Knesset could vote to dissolve itself, automatically triggering new elections.

New polling indicates the Likud Party, led by former Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu is not only far ahead but surging. Were elections held this month, Likud would be expected to pick up as many as 35 parliament seats, up from an estimated 30 seats last November. The Labour Party, by contrast — led by current Defense Minister Ehud Barak — has lost significant ground since last November, garnering support for only 19 seats currently, down from 23. Olmert’s Kadima Party, meanwhile, continues to slide. Current polls show Kadima — likely to be led by current Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni after Olmert’s departure — would receive only 11 Knesset seats, rather than 15.


13 posted on 06/06/2008 4:35:50 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Marysecretary

I know the feeling, Mary.

I think there are going to be more such in the near future.

Many Islamic whole families are coming to Jesus through visions, dreams about Jesus and they then have to go find out about who Jesus is beyond the vision telling them He’s God.


14 posted on 06/06/2008 4:37:31 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Tax-chick

THANKS.

Is his book that thick one on display now in the Christian bookstores?


15 posted on 06/06/2008 5:07:29 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

He has 5 or 6 books out. The most recent one “Walking With God” is currently featured in bookstores. I bought it today! It’s not especially thick, though.

“Waking the Dead” is the one most concerned with Heaven, iirc.


16 posted on 06/06/2008 5:09:51 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Heartless butcher of shrubbery.)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks. I’ll keep my eye out for it.

Blessings,


17 posted on 06/06/2008 5:11:28 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

His earlier books are in libraries and discount outlets.

God bless you, too, and have a good weekend.


18 posted on 06/06/2008 5:13:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Heartless butcher of shrubbery.)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks and likewise.


19 posted on 06/06/2008 5:27:40 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

It’s “Eldredge.” You want find the right books in the catalog with the wrong name :-).


20 posted on 06/06/2008 5:52:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Heartless butcher of shrubbery.)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks.

Here’s an interesting thread by someone asserting that B-52’s are . . . on the move . . .

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread361086/pg1


21 posted on 06/06/2008 6:01:33 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Interesting. I would like to see the Israelis take out Iran’s nuclear program, again!


22 posted on 06/06/2008 6:10:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Heartless butcher of shrubbery.)
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To: Tax-chick

The Mullahs certainly need squashed

It’s just a very huge slippery slope designed to be rushed down, imho.

Here’s an interesting thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread360364/pg1

posted on 5/6/2008 @ 19:58 single this post “quote”REPLY TO:

Do you want to know how to fry it?

Use an electromagnet. Leave the magnet taped to the area over night, and during the day if possible.

This will cause the metallic circuitry and nano tech to be pulled out of alignment and it will cease to function.

What to know how to remove it?

Use an even stronger electromagnet. Use one strong enough that you can feel the skin between the chip and magnet being pinched.

Where this magnet for a few weeks, and keep the skin covered so that it remains soft and moist. I recommend you use polysporin or other petroleum based antibiotic ointment - just a dab

Do not try to remove it by operation, the magnet will suffice.

The magnet will disrupt any frequency that it is currently modulated to and the data will be corrupt... until the magnet final does it’s job and wrecks the circuits... or until it pulls it out ( should you chose this route)

Rest assured you are not the only soldier running around with a magnet stuck to yourself


23 posted on 06/06/2008 6:14:22 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Tax-chick

Another post from that thread with a different view:

Powerful magnets will actull not fry RFID chips, and it’s very unlikely that they will do anything to physically remove them from your body. They’re simply not made of magnetic metals. Mostly they’re made of thin copper, some silicon, and plastic, or ceramic. Metals are, as a group the worst biomaterials, and are only implanted into people when they need the sheer strength. An RFID implant just needs to stay in the body, so they are typically packaged in plastic or ceramic, which have far less chance of being rejected due to allergic or other reactions. Ferromagnetic materials have no place in the actual functional RFID device.

If you want to see how little effect a magnet will have on an RFID chip, try using one on one of the RFID chips at wallmart or target, and then try and shoplift the product right through the RFID readers, and see how far that gets you.

EDIT: Microwaves, such as from a microwave oven, will kill RFID chips, often impressively, slightly pyrotechnically so. But I don’t know how you’d go about getting that much microwave radiation into your body, and seriously doubt it’d be safe.

EDIT 2: I guess you could burn out an RFID tag if you moved a powerful enough magnet fast enough past the site to induce a current in the antenna, but simply having a magnet near an RFID tag won’t do anything.

EDIT 3: You could wrap the suspected site in aluminum foil; radio doesn’t penetrate metal well, so it should make it so nobody could read the chip. You’d look kind of silly though


24 posted on 06/06/2008 6:17:12 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

thanks for the ping.


25 posted on 06/06/2008 6:20:43 PM PDT by navygal (retired navy and proud of it.)
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To: navygal

cERTAINLY.

Thank you.

BTTT


26 posted on 06/06/2008 6:26:12 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Thanks for a great thread Quix & please add me to the ping list.

END TIMES/ DREAMS/ VISIONS/ PROPHECY PING LIST


27 posted on 06/06/2008 8:17:32 PM PDT by Ready2go (Isa 5:20 Destruction is certain for those who say that evil is good and good is evil;)
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To: Ready2go; Marysecretary

Sure, Ready2go;

Adding you to the END TIMES DREAMS VISIONS PROPHECY

ping list.

Mary, please add to the backup list.

Thanks.


28 posted on 06/06/2008 8:30:10 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 06/06/2008 8:40:16 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

Sign me up. if not already there ;^)


30 posted on 06/06/2008 9:03:49 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr; Marysecretary

Dear Cvengr;

Sure, Will add you to the ping list for the

END TIMES DREAMS VISIONS PROPHECY

PING LIST.

Mary, please add

Cvengr

to the backup list.

Blessings,


31 posted on 06/06/2008 9:08:38 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

I’ve heard Jesse speak several times over the years..


32 posted on 06/06/2008 9:14:41 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

What were your impressions?

Anything to add?


33 posted on 06/06/2008 10:03:27 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: rwfromkansas; Quix
" there is no age of accountability.....people claim there is, but there is no evidence for this."

That's because it's different for each person, and God alone knows what it is for each individual. If He had spoken of it in scripture, human nature would be to pin it down to a number, and then extrapolate it into a whole incorrect theology. Whatever that age is, is between each person and The Lord Himself.

34 posted on 06/06/2008 10:41:16 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold; please pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: Quix
"...the Likud Party, led by former Prime Minister Benjamin 'Bibi' Netanyahu...."

Why do they call him "Bibi, anyway? I've always wondered that.

35 posted on 06/06/2008 10:44:43 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold; please pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

I agree with you entirely.

I don’t know about why they call him Bibi. I think it had something to do with his childhood.

Love hearing from you.


36 posted on 06/06/2008 10:50:53 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
Thanks, Quix! I'd forgotten about Angelsonassignment, that was a great encouragement to me several years ago.

Ninety Minutes in Heaven by Don Piper is also very riveting.

37 posted on 06/06/2008 11:01:26 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold; please pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: Quix

Will do.


38 posted on 06/07/2008 7:17:21 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Quix; All

OFF TOPIC:

[If you just don’t want to read it all, at least scroll down and read the section titled “The Ways of Deceivers.”]

The 1965 PROPHECY
-Stanley Frodisham.

(NOTE: We published this not too long ago - but due to recent
events I think we should take another look. This prophetic word
was spoken by Stanley Frodisham who was a personal friend of
Smith Wigglesworth. It was given in Chicago in 1965 - five years
before he died.)

Great Judgements

“With great judgements will I plead with the population of this
country. Great darkness is coming upon the countries that have
heard My gospel but no longer walk in it. My wrath shall come
upon them. The darkness shall be so great and the anguish so
sore that men shall cry out for death and shall not find it. There
shall be a lingering death, famine and great catastrophes.

My wrath shall be manifested against all ungodliness. It shall
come with great intensity. You have known my love but have not
experienced My wrath or My severity. My judgements are literal
and not a thing to be passed over lightly. Realise the severity of
My judgements and My intense anger against the sin in My
Household. My judgements shall begin in My House, for I will
cleanse My House that it be not a partaker of My wrath against
the iniquities of the cities. Before I visit the nations in judgement I
will begin at My House. When I do cause My wrath to come upon
the cities of the world My people shall be separate. I desire a
people without spot or wrinkle and such will be preserved by Me in
the time of My wrath, which will be coming upon all iniquity and
unrighteousness.

I am going to prepare you for the coming days by a hard path that
will cause many to cry out continually unto Me. For when the
going is easy men do not seek Me, but rejoice in a temporary
blessing. And when that blessing is removed they so often turn
this way and that way but do not come to Me. I am showing you
these things in order that you may seek Me continually and with
great diligence. As you seek Me I will open up truths to you that
you have not seen before, and these very truths will be such that
will enable you to stand in these last days. As you are persecuted,
reviled and rejected by your brethren then you will turn unto Me
with all your heart and seek Me for that spiritual life that you need.
So that when the tribulation comes you will have that which will
enable you to stand. For many will be tossed to and fro, men’s
hearts shall fail them because of trouble on every hand. These
days shall be very terrible the likes of which have never been seen before..

Coming Glory – and – Deceiving Spirits

When I visit My people in mighty revival power, it is to prepare
them for the darkness ahead. With the Glory shall come great
darkness, for the Glory is to prepare My people for the darkness. I
will enable My people to go through the darkness because of the
visitation of My Spirit. Take heed to yourselves lest you be puffed
up and think that you have arrived. Many shall be puffed up as in
the olden days, for then, many received My message but they did
not continue in it. Did I anoint Jehu? Yet the things that I desired
were not accomplished in his life. Listen to the messengers, but
do not hold men’s persons in admiration or adulation. For many
whom I shall anoint mightily with signs and miracles shall become
lifted up and shall fall by the wayside. I do not this willingly for I
have made provision that they might stand. I call many into this
ministry and equip them, but remember that many shall fall. They
shall be like bright lights and the people shall delight in them. But
they shall be taken over by deceiving spirits and shall lead many
of My people astray. Hearken diligently concerning these things,
for in the last days shall come seducing spirits. They shall turn
many of My anointed ones away, many shall fall through diverse
lusts and because of ‘sin abounding’.

But if you will seek Me diligently I will put My Spirit within you so
that when one shall turn to the right hand or to the left hand you
shall not turn with them, but instead you will keep your eyes fixed
wholly on your Lord. The coming days are going to be most
dangerous, difficult and dark for there shall be a mighty outpouring
of My Spirit in judgement upon many cities and many sh all be
destroyed. My people must be diligently warned concerning the
days ahead. Many shall turn after seducing spirits and already
many are seducing My people. It is those who ‘Do Righteousness’
that are righteous. Many cover their sins by great theological
words. But I warn you of seducing spirits who instruct my people
in an evil way. Many of these I will anoint that they in turn may
purify and sift My people, for I will have a holy people. When I
come I shall not find faith upon the earth but in a few, for when
the time of testing comes many will depart from their Lord.

Many shall come with seducing spirits and hold out lustful
enticements. You will find that after I have visited My people again
the way will become more and more narrow, and fewer shall walk
therein. Be not deceived, the ways of righteousness are My ways.
For though Satan come as an angel of light hearken not to him;
for those who perform miracles and speak not righteousness are
not of Me. I warn you with great intensity that I am going to judge
My House and have a church without spot or wrinkle when I come.
I desire to open your eyes and give you spiritual understanding,
that you may not be deceived but may walk with uprightness of
heart before Me, loving righteousness and hating every evil way.
Look unto Me and I will make you to perceive with the eyes of the
Spirit the things that lurk in darkness, that are not visible to the
human eye. Let Me lead you in this way, that you may perceive
the powers of darkness and battle against them. It is not a battle
against flesh and blood, for if you battle in that way you accomplish
nothing. But if you let Me take over and battle against the powers
of darkness then they are defeated, and then libera tion is brought
to My people.

The Ways of Deceivers

I warn you to search the Scriptures diligently concerning these
last days. For the things that are written shall indeed be made
manifest. There shall come deceivers among My people in
increasing numbers, who shall speak forth the truth and shall gain
the favour of the people. For the people shall examine the
Scriptures and say, ‘What these men say is true’. Then when they
have gained the hearts of the people, then and then only shall they
bring out their wrong doctrines. Therefore I say that you should
not give your hearts to men, nor hold people’s persons in
admiration or adulation. For by these very persons Satan shall
gain entry into My people. Watch for seducers! Do you think a
seducer will brandish a heresy and flaunt it before the people? He
will speak words of righteousness and truth and will appear as a
minister of light, declaring the Word. The people’s hearts shall be
won. Then when the hearts are won, they will bring out their
doctrines and the people shall be deceived. The people shall say
‘Did he not speak thus and thus’? ‘And did we not examine it from
the Word’? ‘Therefore he is a minister of righteousness. This that
he has now spoken we do not see in the Word but it must be right,
for the other things he spoke were true’.

Be not deceived. For the deceiver will first work to gain the hearts
of many, and then shall bring forth his insidious doctrines. You can
not discern those who are of Me and those who are not of Me
when they start to preach. But seek Me constantly, and when
these doctrines are brought out you shall have a witness in your
heart that these are not of Me. Fear not, for I have warned you. It
is possible that the very elect may be deceived. But it is not
possible if you walk in holiness and uprightness before the Lord,
for then your eyes shall be open and the Lord will protect you. If
you will constantly look unto the Lord you will know when the
doctrine changes, and will not be brought into it. If your heart is
right I will keep you, if you will look constantly to Me, I will
uphold you.

The minister of righteousness shall be on this wise -— his life shall
agree with the word, and his lips shall give forth that which is
wholly true, there will be no mixture. When the mixture appears
then you will know he is not a minister of righteousness. The
deceivers speak first the truth and then error, to cover their own
sins which they love. Therefore I exhort and command you to
study the Scriptures relative to seducing spirits, for this is one of
the great dangers of these last days.

I desire you to be firmly established in My word and not in the
personalities of men, that you will not be moved as so many shall
be moved. I would keep you in the paths of righteousness. Take
heed to yourselves and follow not the seducing spirits that are
already manifesting themselves. Diligently inquire of Me when you
hear something that you have not seen in the word, and do not
hold people’s persons in admiration, for it is by this very method
that Satan will hold many of My people.

The Way of Triumph

I have come that you might have life and have it more abundantly,
that you may triumph where I triumphed. On the cross I triumphed
over all the powers of Satan and I have called you to walk in the
same path. It is when your life is on the cross that you shall know
the victory that I have experienced. As you are on the cross,
seated in Me, then you shall know the power of the resurrection.
When I come in My Glory the principalities and powers in the
heavenly places shall be utterly broken. Fear not, for I have given
you the power whereby you may tread down the powers of
darkness, and come forth victorious through every trial. As you are
on the cross then you are victorious. It was on the cross that I
triumphed over all the powers of the enemy. My life shall flow
through as you enter into these precious truths. Look unto Me
and appropriate My life. As your eyes and desires are toward Me
and you know what it is to be crucified with Me, then you shall
live and your anointing shall increase. It was not in My life as I
walked upon the earth but rather it was in My life as I hung upon
the cross that I openly spoiled principalities and powers.

I am showing you truth that shall cause you to overcome, to have
power over the wicked one, this is the truth that will liberate you
and those around you. You shall know also the fellowship of My
sufferings. There is no other way whereby you may partake of this
heavenly glory and to reign with Me. My word says that If we
suffer with Him we shall reign with Him. I desire to make these
truths real within you. As you keep them before you, you will in
turn liberate many who are in bondage. You will have revelation of
those who are in darkness and will have the keys to liberate the
captives. Many seek to liberate but do not have the keys. Upon
the cross continually you will know the power of My resurrection.

If you will indeed judge yourself you shall not be judged. As you
seek My face and desire to be cleansed by Me in all truth and
sincerity of heart, I will judge you in the secret place, and the
things that are in the secret place of your heart shall not be made
manifest to others. I will do it in the secret place and no man will
know it. The shame that will be seen on many faces shal l not be
seen on your face. Therefore in mercy and love I am instructing
you in order that you may partake of My Glory. As you are willing
to walk with Me and rejoice in your sufferings, you shall in turn
partake of My Glory. Look unto Me for you have need of power to
overcome the wicked one and the bondages in other’s lives.

I said that if a man will judge himself he shall not be judged. It is
not My good pleasure that the shame of My people be seen by all.
How can I judge the world if I judge not first My own house?
Hearken unto these things that I am telling you, for if you will not
hearken unto Me thy shame shall be evident to all.

God’s Part and Our Part

I would have you consider My life on earth -— the anointing upon
Me was great and yet the temptations were great on every side;
they came in one form and then in another, offering Me first the
glory of the kingdoms of the earth and then in the form of reviling
and persecution. There will be great glory given to My people but
also the temptations will be intensified on every side. Think not
that with the glory there shall be no temptations or persecutions.
The glory to My church shall be great and so also the temptations
from the enemy to turn My people from My paths. I warn you
again that when the glory shall be manifested the temptations
shall be great until very few that started shall finish the course.
First of all they shall be offered great worldly possessions and
then will come great revilings and unbelief.

Consider your Lord, that as He walked so it shall be for you. There
shall be need of great intensity of purpose. At times it will seem
that everyone is rising up against you, trying to turn you from the
course that I have set for you. It is written of Me that I set my face
as flint to go in the direction that My Father had prescribed for Me.
If you will finish the course the Lord has laid down for you, you too
will have to set your face as a flint. With great determination you
must walk in the course laid down for you. Many of your loved
ones and those who follow with you will seek to persuade you and
try to turn you from the course. With many words that seem right
in the natural they will speak to you. Did not Christ rebuke Peter
who would turn Him from the course God had prescribed?

Understand these two things and meditate upon them solemnly -—
the persecution and the darkness shall be as great as the glory in
order to try to turn the elect and the anointed ones from the path
the Lord has laid down for them. Many shall start but few shall be
able to finish because of the greatness of grace that shall be
needed to be able to endure unto the end. The temptation and the
persecution of your Lord was continuous. He was tempted by
Satan in many forms throughout His entire life and even to the
cross where the ungodly cried out ‘if thou be the Christ come
down from the cross’. Think not that there will be a time of no
persecution, for it shall be from the time of your anointing until the
end. Difficulties and great persecution will go on to the end. The
Lord must prepare you to be an overcomer in all things, that you
may be able to finish the course. The persecution shall increase
even as the anointing shall increase.

In paths of judgement and righteousness shall the Lord God lead
His people and bring them into that place which He has chosen
for them. The Lord has chosen a place for His people, a place of
righteousness and holiness where He shall encamp around them.
All who will be led of the Lord will be brought into this holy place.
For the Lord delights to dwell in His people and to manifest
Himself through His people. The holiness of the Lord will be
manifested through His people. Let the Lord lead you and He will
lead you in the difficult places. He led His people of old through a
place where no man dwelt, where no man passed through, in a
place of great danger and in the shadow of death. The Lord will
indeed lead His people again through such places, and at the
same time will bring them out into a place of great glory.
Understand that the way toward the glory is fraught with great
danger and many shall fall to the right or the left, many shall camp
on lesser ground. But the Lord has a place of holiness and no
unclean thing shall dwell among His people.

Put your trust in Him and He will bring you into a place of holiness.
He desires to bring His people into a great glory -— the likes of
which has never been seen, for this is what the Lord will do for
those who put their trust in Him. It is a place of darkness and
great danger and it will separate His people into the place where
He would have them walk. He will protect them from the voices
that would turn them from His path. He will bring them through the
dark places and treacherous paths and lead them out into the light
of His glory. He will rejoice greatly over His beloved and cause
them to be filled with joy unspeakable. He seeks to lead His
people into a new place of grace and glory where He will indeed
encamp among them. Put your trust in Him and He will surely
bring you into this new place.

Fear not the days to come, but fear this only -— that you shall
walk in a manner pleasing to the Lord. In this time I am ordering
and setting up My church and it shall indeed be pure, without spot
or wrinkle. I will do a work in My beloved that has not been seen
since the foundation of the world. I have shown you these things
that you may seek the Lord diligently with all your heart, and that
you may be a preserver of His people.

Run not to this one or that one for the Lord has so ordained that
salvation is in Him and in Him alone. You shall not turn to this
shepherd or to that one, for there shall be a great scattering upon
the earth. Therefore look unto Him for He will indeed make these
things clear to you. You shall not look here or there, for His Wells
shall increase your strength and your faith as He prepares you for
the times that are coming.

The truths that I have revealed to you must become a part of you -—
not just an experience, but a part of your very nature. Is it not
written that I demand truth in the inward parts? It is the truth of the
Lord expressed in your very being that shall hold you. Many shall
experience the truth but the truth must become a part of you, your
very life. As men and women look upon you they will hear not only
the voice but see the expression of the truth. Many shall be
overcome because they are not constant in My ways and because
they have not permitted the truths to become a part of them. I am
showing you these things that you may be prepared, and having
done all, to stand. “


39 posted on 06/07/2008 8:29:33 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Marysecretary

Thanks thanks.


40 posted on 06/07/2008 9:11:20 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Done.


41 posted on 06/07/2008 2:29:53 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Quix

Gee, thanks to Israel’s former Prime Minister, the Palestinians now have Gaza. Great move!!! I hope this one bombs the *&^% out of them and takes it back. I won’t hold my breath though.


42 posted on 06/07/2008 2:44:13 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary

Thanks much for the list backup.

Yeah, I rather agree with you.

LUB


43 posted on 06/07/2008 2:48:06 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
I don't think there are any startling revelations about Heaven in this book. But it is an encouraging read.

Have you ever read "A Course in Miracles"?

44 posted on 06/07/2008 3:32:54 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan; Marysecretary

I read enough of it to know it was a counterfeit from a counterfeit source.

I felt I had to put it down and remove it.

I think it’s seductive from an evil root.

Perhaps others would comment.


45 posted on 06/07/2008 3:35:29 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: oprahstheantichrist
"If He had spoken of it in scripture, human nature would be to pin it down to a number, and then extrapolate it into a whole incorrect theology. Whatever that age is, is between each person and The Lord Himself."

My faith is based entirely on scripture. I will be completely honest and say that I have felt things, or heard things, that I believe to be true, but if I couldn't mesh those beliefs with scripture, those beliefs were really short lived. So, whenever I read a defense of a belief like the one that you posted above, I am pretty skeptical.

Concerning the age of accountability, I know that it survives in tradition amongst a number of Christians as well as in Judaism. Whether or not there is an exact date of accountability is moot, since there is no Biblical evidence of this. What I wonder is, if there is an "age of accountability" that is between God and an individual, where is there Biblical support for this? If there is no direct support, however there is support for the attestation that there are other parts of one's relationship with God that is exclusive to God and that individual as could be manifested today, where in the Bible is that support?

Brother to Brother(or Sister), I ask out of curiosity. I really do want to know, because, as I read the Bible now, I see no evidence of it.
46 posted on 06/07/2008 4:06:04 PM PDT by raynearhood ("Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world... and she walks into mine.")
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To: Quix
I think it’s seductive from an evil root.

Why?

This book teaches that 'We' create our reality on this earth, but our souls are safe where they belong, in heaven.

What is so evil about that?

We are God's children, according to this book, and he loves us, even though we make mistakes with our creations.

Our creations, are ourselves.

47 posted on 06/07/2008 4:54:40 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: LibertyRocks; Quix
Very interesting, Quix. Thank you. I look forward to the respectful commentary of others on this thread.

Is this respectful commentary? (twilight zone music) do do do do, do do do do, do do do do, do do do do....lol.

48 posted on 06/07/2008 7:43:41 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: fanfan

It’s not something you really want to get mixed up with. satan won’t put something in your hands that looks or sounds evil. Please beware of smooth sounding God talk in these New Age books.


49 posted on 06/07/2008 8:57:32 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Quix

bump for later read


50 posted on 06/07/2008 9:01:58 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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