"For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:22)
Posted on 06/09/2008 8:22:20 AM PDT by topcat54
What is especially problematic about the dispensational understanding of the millennial age is that the millennium as conceived by dispensationalists amounts to a return to the types and shadows associated with the Old Testament prophets and the typological understanding of the messianic age which has now been realized in Jesus Christ. Once Christ has come and fulfilled these particular prophetic expectations, how can the dispensationalist justify his belief that the future millennial age is characterized by a redemptive economy of type and shadow, when the reality to which these things pointed, has already come? This pre-messianic Old Testament millennial expectation, complete with restored temple worship and the reinstitution of animal sacrifices, can only be justified by a redemptive historical U-turn (Click here: Riddleblog - The Latest Post - Jesus, the True Temple).
According to dispensationalists, type and shadow are fulfilled in Jesus Christ who, in the millennial age, supposedly re-institutes these same types and shadows which are inferior and have passed away. This is highly problematic and does great violence to the overall thrust of biblical history. This peculiar feature of dispensationalism explains the rise of progressive dispensationalism, which seeks to avoid this highly-problematic aspect of traditional dispensationalism.
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"For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:22)
This is not revelatory but nevertheless, there are currently three basic major monotheistic world views.
1) Christianity
2) Judaism
3) Islam
It’s interesting to note that Christianity and Islam each claim about 1 billion adherents whereas the Jews weigh in at about 12 - 14 million.
These three religions have one major common thread. They all claim Abraham as their spiritual Father.
To the Christians he is the Father of the faithful.
To the Jews he is the Father of Monotheistic Judaism
To Islam he is also the Father of Ishmael son of the Bondwoman hagar.
I’m not so hot on Islamic theology so please correct me if I’m wrong about who Islam thinks Abraham was.
Anyway, these three religion also have their own version of eschatology.
Their version and the way they currently see the world will have a major impact on how God brings about the actual fulfillment of his prophecy and the end time scenarios.
My point here, is that although it may seem like Dispensationalists are going back to something. Specifically to the Jews it will look like a big leap forward has taken place.
Well anyway here's a off the subject or maybe part of the subject, What do you think the The Bronze Sea in Solomons temple was suppose to represent, My impression is that it was a big bronze bowl, and it was huge, Do you think it might of been a type or shadow of what the bowls in Revelation was going to be like and also I notice the pic you use, which I like has a bowl of wreath or something like that being poured out on the temple worship etc. Do you think God might of had that in mind when He had the bronze bowl made. Just wondering.
Never stopped.
probably good stuff, anyway you'll become an amil sooner or later,
Nope. Been there. IMO the amil thesis has a set of problems that is more difficult to overcome than that of the postmil.
I think they got a better handle on eschatology then the typical postmills.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :-)
Regarding the bronze sea or laver, since the tabernacle/temple is a reproduction of what Moses saw on the mountain regarding the true temple/tabernacle in heaven (Heb. 8:5), I think it may relate to the image in Rev. 4:6 with the saints before the throne of God and the "sea of glass". The laver was a washing place for the priests (Exo. 30:18), and so it may also represent being washed in the blood of the Lamb.
In any event we know it somehow points us to Christ and His redemption for His people, since that was the focus of all the law and prophets.
Ok this thread is getting old as I write, but since I’m up and not sleeping I’ll ask you what is the number one objection to the amil position. You don’t have to answer this because the thread is getting old but if you want go ahead.
reformedbeckite
Amillennialism appears to support a type of dualism this is inferior to the views of the early Presbyterians and Puritans as specified in the Westminster Standards. There Christ is pictured as presently reigning and caring for His church and subduing her enemies. (see WLC Q 54 and 191) The enemies are subdued ultimately by the preaching of the gospel and conversion. The nations of the earth become, over time, the one kingdom of God and His Christ.
In the words of the gospel hymn taken from Psalm 72:
Christ shall have dominion over land and sea,I’m presently working my way through Anthony Hoekema’s The Bible and the Future to see where I’m deficient in my opinion of amillennialism.
Earth's remotest regions shall His empire be;
They that wilds inhabit shall their worship bring,
Kings shall render tribute, nations serve our King.When the needy seek Him, He will mercy show;
Yea, the weak and helpless shall His pity know;
He will surely save them from oppression's might,
For their lives are precious in His holy sight.Ever and forever shall His Name endure,
Long as suns continue it shall stand secure;
And in Him forever all men shall be blest,
And all nations hail Him King of kings confessed.
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