Posted on 06/14/2008 4:54:46 PM PDT by NYer
ORLANDO, Fla. (CNS) -- Following a lively debate, the U.S. bishops left a 700-page translation of one section of the Roman Missal in limbo June 13 when it failed to obtain the number of votes needed to approve the text or to reject it. The translation of the proper prayers for Sundays and feast days during the liturgical year requires the approval of two-thirds of the 250 Latin-rite members of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. But after more than a dozen bishops spoke against the translation, results of the voting were inconclusive. Cardinal Francis E. George of Chicago, USCCB president, did not announce the vote totals but said the document had not obtained the 166 "yes" votes needed to approve it or the 83 "no" votes that would have resulted in its rejection. USCCB members not present at the spring general assembly in Orlando will vote by mail on the issue. "John and Mary Catholic have the right to have prayers that are clear and understandable," said Bishop Donald W. Trautman of Erie, Pa., in speaking against the translation that had been in the works for more than two years.
According to Canon Law, Catholics have a right to a “valid Mass”. Anyone familiar with the section in question?
Normal folks like their religion in a language they actually speak.
They’re talking about an English translation.
They’re talking about the English text, which is presently a very poor translation. They want to replace it with a more accurate translation that is also more dignified and beautiful. What’s wrong with that?
I think it’s an ignorant swipe at the term “Latin Rite.”
I am disgusted. My bishop was one of the leaders in opposing this translation because he says the words would be too hard for people. Good grief! Catholics are so dumb that everything has to be in 2 syllables or less?
He was also extremely insulting and threw in some remarks about the TLM, which was completely unnecessary, since they weren’t discussing it. He said that “with all due respect to the Pope,” he would refuse to celebrate the TLM. I am aghast at his rudeness. He isn’t fit to sweep the floor before Benedict. I am truly, truly disgusted by him.
Aside from that, nobody was asking him to celebrate the old rite, but simply to permit it in his diocese, which he is refusing to do (even though he doesn’t have that authority). I am absolutely seeing red today.
Yes, I think you’re right. See my other post if you want to know my very own bishop’s swipe at the Latin Mass in the course of this same event.
This one sure stirred up the tiny minds out there (among whom I include certain episcopal brains).
The issue is that some bishops are upset that the approved translation is faithful to the Latin version (i.e., it translates it accurately). They prefer the sloppy, inaccurate translation (of the 1970 Missale Romanum) that is currently in use.
Technically, the Novus Ordo liturgy of the Roman Catholic Church, is the normative form of the Latin Rite. I know of several churches where the sign reads
<(fill in the blank) Roman Catholic Church - Maronite Rite
The Roman Catholic Church is comprised of 22 Churches that celebrate 8 different Rites.
No, what I mean is the Latin Rite: “Roman Catholicism,” in contradistinction to, for example, the “Byzantine Rite.”
The Latin Mass is the Extraordinary Rite of the Mass, as I recall.
Ah yes, NYer, thank you.
I just KNEW you would know.
“Extraordinary FORM” of the Roman (or Latin) Rite, I believe.
Yes.
Thank you fine lady.
How goes the horde tonight?
How are you and the lovely Mrs. Petronski?
And she hasn't left yet!
**when it failed to obtain the number of votes needed to approve the text **
Let’s pray that it gets approved.
The bishops are being sticks in the mud.
We can learn the words.
Why do I have the feeling that the Pope is going to send Cardinal George a note and tell the bishops to get going with the valid translation????
I can pray, right?
Your comment has nothing to do with the question at hand.
They’re just trying to wait-out the present pontificate. Time for Benedict to put the collegiality thing on hold, pick up the phone, and get these guys up to speed. NOW! This foot-dragging is so transparent and exasperating...for the love of God...GET ON WITH IT, already! How long does it take, and what scholarship in Latin is required, to accurately translate even something as basic as “et cum spiritu tuo”??? The faux-angst and histrionics about fidelity to the text that these guys go through every year are over-the-top in their disingenuousness.
Thank God most of this assemblage of mitred clowns will be preoccupied with Praying for a Happy Death fairly soon. We’ll never get to the threshhold of the long-overdue Restoration until this collection of pestilences is removed from authority. And, when that Great and Glorious Day comes, what rejoicing there will be!!!
**Time for Benedict to put the collegiality thing on hold, pick up the phone, and get these guys up to speed. NOW! **
You tell ‘em, guy!
I agree with you. My own bishop's incredibly arrogant remarks ("With all due respect to the Pope," etc.) show this.
I guess we have to wait longer and continue to pray.
RC’s are not one big happy homogeneous family sprung pure and unchangeably complete forever more from 400 years prior to their organizational existence to the modern contrived moment?
Oh, Dear!
What a shock!
How will the Prottys EVVVVVEEEERRR survive such a crash and burning of the illusion of the
—’Perfect Model,’
—’Sanctified,’
—’Pristine,’
—’White Hanky Anointed,’
—’Church Above All Churches,’
. . .
RC’s are not one big happy homogeneous family sprung pure and unchangeably complete forever more from 400 years prior to their organizational existence to the modern contrived moment?
Oh, Dear!
What a shock!
How will the Prottys EVVVVVEEEERRR survive such a crash and burning of the illusion of the
—’Supreme Universal Hobby Of The Little Pebble,’
—’Inventor Of Purgatory,’
—’Inventor Of The White Hanky Ascension,’
—’Inventor Of The Very Profitable Indulgences,’
—’Inventor Of The Relligious Political Power-Mongering Committee Clique,’
—’Manufacturer Of Saints, Inc.,’
—’Inventor Of The Centuries That Were, (’Tis Rumored Named After The Hit British Show—That Was The Week That Was)’
—’Author Of The More Convenient Scriptures That Weren’t,’
—’Manufacturer Of The Transubstantial Body With The Insubstantial Blood Removed, (Or Is It Reserved—For The Elite?)’
—The Wildly Popular ‘Galactic Plastic Sacred Cow Factory Extraordinaire,’
RC’s are not one big happy homogeneous family sprung pure and unchangeably complete forever more from 400 years prior to their organizational existence to the modern contrived moment?
Oh, Dear!
What a shock!
How will the Prottys EVVVVVEEEERRR survive such a crash and burning of the illusion of the
—’Industrial Light And Apparition Factory Supreme,’
—The Very Profitable ‘Galactic Bead Factory Supreme,’
—The Wildly Critically Acclaimed ‘Break-Prostration-Bow-N-Genuflect Dance Troupe,’
—The Risingly Popular ‘Purgatory-Exit On The Installment Plan,’
—The Curiously Popular ‘Recurring Conclave Of The Holy Order Of Midigit Intellectual Revisionist Historians’
—The Masterful ‘Holy Order Of Inventors Of Exclusivist Religious Distinctives Inc.’
—
How Oh How Will Prottys Ever Survive Without The Relentless Parade Of Such Exemplary Models Of Christian Perfection Forever Cycling Before The Hapless Splitists?
That sounds pretty logical to me...
It would seem that the natural response of an intelligent person to an unfamiliar word is to find out what it means. And in doing so, theology would be imparted.
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