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Policeman makes NY woman remove religious wig
ny daily news ^ | 06.20.08

Posted on 06/21/2008 8:11:23 PM PDT by Coleus



TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Judaism; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: crime; jewish; multicultural; ny; purity; ramapo; religioustolerance; wig

1 posted on 06/21/2008 8:11:24 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

If you want special privileges, DO NOT COMMIT CRIMES. It’s not really hard to figure out. You want to wear the wig, DON’T commit fraud. You want to have the power to object, DON’T commit fraud.

Got it? I’d continue, but apparently I now have to go to a mandated sensitivity course.


2 posted on 06/21/2008 8:17:15 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: Coleus

Did it interfere with identification? That’s the key question.


3 posted on 06/21/2008 8:17:29 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Coleus

OK, so I’m 50 years old and I never knew until just now that Orthodoix Jewish women wore wigs as a part of their religion.

And if it greatly altered her appearance; I would have told her to take it off. Just like I would have asked a Muslim woman to remove her veil.


4 posted on 06/21/2008 8:18:19 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yo prometo lealtad a la bandera de los Estados Unidos de America, y a la Republica que representa...)
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5 posted on 06/21/2008 8:20:44 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Coleus

at least they didn’t taze her to death.


6 posted on 06/21/2008 8:21:32 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes, I believe it’s a head covering


7 posted on 06/21/2008 8:21:42 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Coleus

Hmmm. The Church of the Second Amendment.

You can’t take my side arms. Thems’ a Religious Requirement!


8 posted on 06/21/2008 8:22:57 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Responsibility2nd

Learning about life around you is a wonderful thing … This custom would be found mainly amongst Hasicic Jews, if memory serves me. ;-)


9 posted on 06/21/2008 8:26:13 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: Coleus

10 posted on 06/21/2008 8:26:40 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Grizzled Bear

You’re on to something there, mate.


11 posted on 06/21/2008 8:28:24 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SIDENET

Who’s the girl?


12 posted on 06/21/2008 8:32:55 PM PDT by wastedyears (Obama is a Texas Post Turtle.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I am Orthodox and I wear a wig at work, and at formal functions, but usually I just wear a hat or a scarf.

I also have never been arraigned for welfare fraud or any other crime, but I did have my driver’s license photo taken wearing a head scarf.


13 posted on 06/21/2008 8:37:09 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: wastedyears

Marge Simpson’s high school yearbook photo?


14 posted on 06/21/2008 8:37:42 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: wastedyears

Wig ad from Google.


15 posted on 06/21/2008 8:39:21 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Alouette

OK, I did a google search - with pictures - on Orthodox Jewish women wigs.

I found nothing that covered the face.

Now if it’s a hat, then isn’t it standard procedure to remove all hats for mug shots?


17 posted on 06/21/2008 8:43:03 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yo prometo lealtad a la bandera de los Estados Unidos de America, y a la Republica que representa...)
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To: Coleus

I should think the religious requirement for an Orthodox woman to wear a wig would be secondary to: THOU SHALT NOT STEAL and THOU SHALT NOT COVET. I think FRAUD breaks both of those Commandments, at least.


18 posted on 06/21/2008 8:46:39 PM PDT by informavoracious (Freedom Isn't Free)
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To: Coleus

Sounds like a twist on the Floridian felonious female that pled religious reasons for wanting to wear her burqa for mug shot a couple years ago.


19 posted on 06/21/2008 8:47:09 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Would they make a cancer patient on chemotherapy remove a wig for a mug shot?

Hookers (especially transvestite hookers) wear wigs and are required to remove them for mug shots.

My wig is not “wiggy” looking, it looks like real hair so how would they know it is not my real hair?


20 posted on 06/21/2008 8:47:34 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: informavoracious
I should think the religious requirement for an Orthodox woman to wear a wig would be secondary to: THOU SHALT NOT STEAL and THOU SHALT NOT COVET. I think FRAUD breaks both of those Commandments, at least.

You are absolutely right.

21 posted on 06/21/2008 8:48:26 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Coleus

I greatly respect the Orthodox women who cover their hair. They are following a longstanding habit in which some of the most righteous women in their history never exposed their hair outside the bedroom.

However, I don’t know this case (and innocent until proven guilty and all), but might it not be seen as odd perhaps to the Almighty that some habitual commandments are followed with such zeal while not cheating taxpayers is not as worthy??


22 posted on 06/21/2008 8:50:11 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: kingu

By taking off her wig, she becomes less identifiable, Einstein.


23 posted on 06/21/2008 9:31:14 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (McCain calls it "radical islamic terrorism," the dems don't refer to it at all)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


24 posted on 06/21/2008 9:32:38 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Responsibility2nd

I worked with an Orthodox Jewish woman. Each time she had a new baby, she’d get a new wig from her husband. She was up to nine the last time I counted.


26 posted on 06/21/2008 10:30:17 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Religion Moderator
She’s probably a Satmar, or some similar brand of “orthodox” Jew. They engage in organized welfare and insurance fraud, and seem to regard the 8th and 9th commandments as pesky little technicalities through which divinely approved loopholes can be constructed under the guidance of a certain brand of Talmudic scholars.

I'm not familiar with the rules for the religion forum, but your decision to address the issue of me referring to someone as "Einstein" while overlooking the trashing of entire sect of Judaism is a little disconcerting. Suffice it to say, the actions of a few should not condemn an entire community.

27 posted on 06/22/2008 1:06:34 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (McCain calls it "radical islamic terrorism," the dems don't refer to it at all)
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To: Cinnamon Girl; Religion Moderator
your decision to address the issue of me referring to someone as "Einstein" while overlooking the trashing of entire sect of Judaism is a little disconcerting.

one of the problems inherent to the new rules in the relig forum - as seen on the relig mods page

28 posted on 06/22/2008 5:33:33 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: All
Here's what they're saying about this on a Hasidic news blog
29 posted on 06/22/2008 6:51:04 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I doubt it since a non family member would not have seen her without it.


30 posted on 06/22/2008 10:06:33 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Alouette
I'm a little confused as to why Orthodox Judaism would require women to wear a wig. Could you help me out?

From the little bit of reading I did on Wikipedia, the practice seems it is rooted in a Jewish tradition of modesty. I don't see how a wig works to that end. It's like if men are required to cover their torsos, and then I wear a t-shirt with a realistic picture of a bodybuilder's chest on it to cover myself up.

No disrespect intended, I am honestly curious. Is the important thing only that the "real" hair be covered, a sort of "letter of the law" vs. "spirit of the law" thing?

Or am I just completely misunderstanding this aspect of Judaism?

31 posted on 06/22/2008 12:02:41 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: timm22

The hair has to be kept covered. The purpose is not to make the woman “look unattractive.”

The reason wigs came about, in about the last 150 years, is so that a woman should not look slovenly (wearing a plain headscarf in public) or stand out in a crowd (wearing a more formal headgear, where women normally go bareheaded, would call attention to herself).

The reason for not wearing a headscarf nowadays would be not to be mistaken for a Muslim, although it’s customary for Jewish women to tie their headscarf behind the head, and for Muslim women to fasten it under the chin.

Personally, I prefer to wear a hat, but I wear a wig at work, for the above mentioned reasons.


32 posted on 06/22/2008 2:01:35 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

Thanks for posting on this. It’s great that whatever the subject, there’s a Freeper to shed a little light.


33 posted on 06/22/2008 2:05:43 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Alouette
My wig is not “wiggy” looking, it looks like real hair so how would they know it is not my real hair?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Because you just told them........THEY read everything.

34 posted on 06/22/2008 2:08:50 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Alouette
So to grossly oversimplify the matter, the wig (and head coverings generally) are more about being inconspicuous than they are about sexual modesty?
35 posted on 06/22/2008 8:31:44 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: timm22
the wig (and head coverings generally) are more about being inconspicuous than they are about sexual modesty?

Being inconspicuous is part of modesty. A wig of "dreads" or some other extreme hairstyle like purple frosted tips, would not be appropriate.

36 posted on 06/22/2008 8:45:25 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

Okay, I think I understand now. Thanks for the explanation!


37 posted on 06/22/2008 9:34:51 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: Alouette

“Would they make a cancer patient on chemotherapy remove a wig for a mug shot?”

As part of standard booking procedure, anything not part of a person is removed and examined -— wigs (where weapons can be hidden), turbins, dentures, glass eyes, artificial limbs, whatever.

You would be amazed at what can be hidden where.

The police weigh personal rights vs. safety/security of prison all the time, and make “reasonable” accomodations.


38 posted on 06/23/2008 7:50:28 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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