Skip to comments.Pew Survey, Father Pfleger And The USCCB
Posted on 06/25/2008 9:18:38 PM PDT by Coleus
I am quite confused and dismayed I have written Cardinal George but of course got no reply! I was always taught as a Catholic that if you believed in abortion you would not be allowed Holy Communion and that you could not support a political candidate that supports and believes in abortion especially partial birth abortion.
So please answer me as to why a Catholic priest, Father Pfleger, is allowed to stand on the altar of God acting as Jesus and preside over Mass how does this priest receive Holy Communion? I still want an answer regarding Fr. Pfleger! I have stopped going to church because I don't believe in our priests anymore some are no holier than you or me!
Though, in Fr. Pfleger’s defense, there is no evidence that he believes abortion is ok. He merely believes crimes of race are the greater evil. I’m not saying he is right, but as far as I can tell, there is no evidence he is pro-choice.
Im not saying he is right, but as far as I can tell, there is no evidence he is pro-choice. >>
if he supports 100% pro-abortion nobama and doesen’t support pro-life McLame, then I would say that he’s pro-abortion as the RCC is clear about pro-life being the higest proportionate reason when voting.
Isn’t he pro-’Bama? Or am I missing something?
How about the fact that Pfleger has spent YEARS inviting the most outspoken pro-abortion advocates into his pulpit - even though the Chicago Archdiocese has a longstanding policy explicitly forbidding the use of Church property, under ANY circumstances, by pro-abortion advocates? His "guset speakers" have included pro-abortion advocates Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Harry Belafonte, none of whom are even Catholic. If he's concerned about "civil rights", would it kill him to have some "guest speakers" in the black community who are active in civil rights, but also support the Catholic church's social values? If he's not pro-abortion, how come ALL of his guest speakers are?
Interesting coincidence, eh?
And most damning, Belafonte used the opportunity to attack President Bush for being pro-life from Pfleger's pulpit in 2003 and denounced the President for endangering a "woman's right to abortion."
What kind of priest would allow that rhetoric at HIS church unless he WAS "okay" with abortion?
Here’s your evidence:
One that is in a Black Church......NO STANDARDS...NONE!! There was NOTHING... NOTHING CATHOLIC ABOUT THAT "Mass"!! God will get him for this.
We don't have GUEST SPEAKERS.....geesh.and all the DANCING and SCREAMING and JUMPING....EGAD.
I have seen guest speakers talk to the congregation during mass at other Catholic churches though. However those speakers had absolutely nothing in common with the kind of people that Pfledger invites into his church. The guest speakers I've seen have always been Catholics in good standing, generally visiting priests or church officials who are there to talk about some Catholic charity drive or other such thing. No priest I've ever seen would invite anyone into their church to give a political speech, and certainly not a non-Catholic politician.
He is the sort of priests who feed the likes of Pelosi with the sophistries of “personally-opposed,but...” They would not strut around ,proudly calling themselves Catholic without encouragement by many of these unfaithful priests.
She’s absolutely right. People are scandalized by the moral relativitism that crept into the Church after Vatican II. And this all goes back to the people whose responsibility it is to teach and to preserve the Faith: the bishops. I wish the Pope would remove one, just one of them, for poor performance. Probably about half of them need to go, but since most of them are cowardly, self-serving careerists, simply the removal of even one might make the others sit up and take notice.
Oh yes, of course...I should have been clearer....I never consider those people speakers....I think of them as "askers".
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All we can do is hope & pray that Pope Benedict will “throw the hammer down” and start “taking out the trash!”
That is certainly valid evidence.
No priest in his right mind calls for the murder of a person, like Pfleger did with the owner of Chuck's Gun Shop -- located in Riverdale, IL, miles away from his parish -- when the 'good father' (sac) ....
called upon the protest crowd to 'drag' John Riggio, the owner-manager of the store, out 'like a rat' and 'snuff' him."
That got him a reprimand from the Cardinal, the Hillary comment got him 'suspended'. He should be defrocked or sent to a parish in Siberia.
My brother just told me he has stopped too. His small parish in Georgia has turned into illegal alien central.
I recently attended an event that severely taxed my commitment. Cardinal McCarrick and Bishop D'Arcy both spoke and seemed thrilled to be on the same dais as pro-abort/homo marriage advocate Martin Sheen. I walked out and didn't take communion at that Mass. It's a lot harder to forgive trespasses when it's your own church doing it.
American Life League President Judie Brown told LifeSiteNews that pro-life advocates have seen this problem develop for over five years, beginning when Pfleger invited Al Sharpton, an outspoken proponent of legal abortion, to give the homily in his church. (http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2003/feb/03021105.html)To me, this is code saying that either Cardinal George or the archdiocese as a whole is being blackmailed or is being intimidated by outside forces. The Lavender Mafia is still very strong in Chicago but this could also be political pressure.
"Cardinal George's response to me at that time was that we simply did not understand the complexity of the situation with Pfleger," said Brown. "I think the bottom line is that the Cardinal will do anything he possibly can to avoid conflict in the media and African-American community, many of whom attend Pfleger's church."
I feel very sorry for that poor lady, and for some freepers who have said similar things over the years.
The Church is the Church is the Church, no matter how delinquent to bishops may be, and no matter how many bad and dissident chatechists, and no matter how many heretic priests like Fr. Pfleger.
Unfortunately, the Conference of Bishops is still somewhere out in the wilderness. Their most recent statement strongly condemned abortion as an intrinsic evil—good. But it several times equated abortion with “racism”—bad.
Let’s get it straight. Racism is bad, but there are degrees of it. Even the malign racism of someone who hates blacks and says so—something I have never actually heard anyone say—is not equivalent to someone who goes around KILLING blacks. And only killing blacks is the moral equivalent of killing babies. A little stupid racism is in no way equivalent to abortion.
But the bishops, once again, have said that it is, thus offering cover to heretics like Fr. Pfleger. I said as much on the thread discussing the bishops’ latest pronouncement. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that the more liberal bishops in the conference insisted on sticking that racism clause into the document several times, for exactly that purpose—to obfuscate, and to give moral cover to their dissident Catholic pals.
But let he return to where I started. That is no reason to leave Christ’s Church, because some of His servants have betrayed Him and neglected their plain duty. Stay, and pray, and if your parish is so bad that the sacraments probably aren’t valid, go to the neighboring parish.
But yet your pope allows priests into your church (and to continue there) who 'allow' baby killers to sell their wares in your church...
And you call your pope 'Holy Father'...I'll let you in on a little secret, only to be found in the Scriptures...'Jesus would never have allowed one of his disciples to teach that killing babies was an accptable form of birth control'...
Strange religion you've got there...Certainly doesn't appeal to me...
Unless you can PERSONALLY identify every pro-abortion priest on the planet, you ought to get off your horse and stop pretending the Pope is endorsing this stuff. Since you think you can do a better job for him, please feel free to forwatd a list of every pro-abortion priest to the Vatican so you won't be "promoting" that behavior. Put up or shut up.
Since when did Father Flakey's values represent Catholics in general? 99.99999% of priests out there won't be caught dead promoting the kind of garbage he does. What religion are you in, since you want to pass judgement on my church? I'm sure we can find at least one kooky pastor in YOUR church too. Flakey doesn't "represent" Catholicism anymore than Jews United Against Zionism represents the opinions of Judiasm. They are both renegage nuts. If the Cardinal had any guts, he would have defrocked Flakey years ago.
I think there is some mental health issues regarding Father P. He seems to have gone over the top big time. He also seems to have race envy...I mean he is caucasian isn’t he...???
It is important to remember that the faith has survived through similar periods past by the domestica egglesia...domestic church, the family is the fundamental unit of Catholicism and of all Christianity...your family is Church as it was the Primitive Church long ago. In fact the Church has never survived when the family as Church has not. Father John Hardon wrote about this.
That’s what happens when church members aren’t given the right to dismiss their own preachers.
That’s what happens when church members aren’t given the right to dismiss their own preachers.
Not really. The black congregation at his church just loves him. He has attracted his own group. The problem is that he is pandering to them, instead of teaching them real Christianity. Much the same that Rev. Wright did at his church—and he was very popular, too.