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Unfortunately, it seems as though the SSPX has rejected the offer. Obviously, there are severe divisions within the group, and Fellay has opted not to be a leader but to attempt to placate everybody - except Rome, whose patience he believes to be infinite.
1 posted on 06/28/2008 4:57:32 PM PDT by livius
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Maybe the SSPX can hook up with the pro-gay Episcopalians. They’re worlds apart on theology, but the spirit is much the same.


2 posted on 06/28/2008 5:13:10 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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Well...it sounds like they’re trying to preserve the status quo without outright rejecting the conditions.

It will be interesting to see how the Vatican responds to this. They have been very patient thus far.


5 posted on 06/28/2008 5:50:48 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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Here’s the SSPX thread!


7 posted on 06/28/2008 6:45:03 PM PDT by livius
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We are spending far too much time and energy on these heretics.

Send’em off packing to join the rest of the protestant heresies.

When they are ready to come home to Christ’s Church they will.


8 posted on 06/28/2008 6:48:55 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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I hate the fact that Reuters describes the conditions as an “Ultimatum.” It is no more an ultimatum than a Taco Bell employment application or an instruction guide for assembling an Ikea entertainment center. If the SSPX does nothing, nothing happens. In an ultimatum, if the party does nothing, some consequence happens (e.g. “Open up the door or I’ll break it down!”)

Reuters was glad to use the SSPX’s language of “ultimatum.” The SSPX has already stated that they aren’t going to cooperate with the Successor of Peter until their handful of non-successors of Peter determine that the true Successor has “returned to Tradition.” Other than a blanket denuciation of Vatican II, they offer few specifics. Who is giving the ultimata around here?

That said, I want to see a reunification, because millions of souls will be affected if this schism lasts more than a generation.


12 posted on 06/29/2008 6:02:52 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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More talk-talk. The Vatican doesn't do war-war anymore. For those who see disagreements at the higher levels in the SSPX, think again. They are all firmly united on the theological issues involved. This will be a long, tough series of negotiations. Pray for them, pray for the Pope.

13 posted on 06/29/2008 6:06:57 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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to accept papal authority and not criticise the pope — were too vague to be accepted,

Not exactly the type of 'support' the Holy Father needs. Prayers continue for a solution to this situation.

20 posted on 06/29/2008 9:48:35 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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Insider rumor about the SSPX letter-response to Rome
CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 10:36 am

I received a tip via e-mail.

Before reading this, I am getting it second hand and also I have no way to get separate confirmation. So, we have to take this for what it is worth. It’s up to you.

Here is one sentence of the three sentence message I edited it to fix the English:

I´m back from Econe. I spoke with some people. Rome has accepted a response and wrote back positively. All is going well … this was said by Castrillon.

Remember that Card. Castrillon Hoyos, President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei gave Five Conditions to Bp. Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the SSPX.

These five points were conditions for continuing dialogue about closer unity between the SSPX and Rome.

The conditions did not concern explicit doctrinal issues about Vatican II or the Novus Ordo of Mass.

They focused on the public attitude of the SSPX toward the person of the Roman Pontiff and about unity.

Important factors to keep in mind:

Twenty years ago, 30 June 1988, the split took place with the illicit consecrations of bishops.
Pope Benedict has been a key figure, history, in the dialogue of the SSPX and Rome.
Pope Benedict is the Pope most favorable toward the goals of the SSPX the SSPX is like to see.
The longer the split continues, the harder it will be to heal it.
After all this time, there are now followers of the SSPX who have never know anything other than this serious state of division and conflict.
Card. Castrillon Hoyos is approaching 80 years of age, when he will more then like step down as President of Ecclesia Dei.
Bp. Fellay will be under tremendous pressure to placate the hardcore followers of the SSPX who give financial support in an increasingly expensive world.
Bp. Fellay is likely the least hardcore of the four excommunicated SSPX bishops.
Bp. Fellay has been a bit cagey about the response he sent to Rome, neither saying that he accepted the conditions nor saying outright that he refused them.

I pray that the rumor/report I received is true.

I provide this so that you can motive to PRAY! PRAY NOW! that before the end of the month, Rome and SSPX can take these mutal steps toward each other.

From http://wdtprs.com/blog/


23 posted on 06/29/2008 10:45:18 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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