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Journey to Justice: A Catholic Vision of Immigration
The Liguorian ^ | May/June 2008 | John P. Fahey-Guerra, C.Ss.R.

Posted on 06/30/2008 10:48:22 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

We must tread very lightly through this part of our journey. The terrain here has many pitfalls. We do not want to stumble and fall into the sin of racism or ethnocentrism. Sometimes people trip themselves up and are unable to continue on the path toward solidarity. This can be likened to spraining an ankle. Although we may have the intellectual desire to continue, we have become injured and it seems impossible to go on.

(Excerpt) Read more at liguorian.org ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; borders; immigrantlist; immigration

1 posted on 06/30/2008 10:48:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
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2 posted on 06/30/2008 10:50:27 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“Thousands of families like the one I described at the beginning are searching for a new life. They have journeyed many miles through dangerous territory to pursue a promise, a dream for tomorrow. Our personal journeys of solidarity help us cross the borders of our own hearts toward them.”

There are several billion people on this earth who could find a better life in America, Father. How many of them do you propose to “cross borders of our own hearts toward them”?

And, you can cross to even more of them by moving to where they live and ministering to them there. Bringing the poor to America is not the answer to the world’s problems of poverty and lack of opportunity, but do enough of it and it sure will turn America into what these people wanted to leave behind.


3 posted on 06/30/2008 10:55:31 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Zionist Conspirator
As a young priest in Denver, Colorado, I was once asked to accompany a family at the graveside of their infant son, who had died during childbirth. I knew only that they were Spanish-speaking and that I would need to perform the ritual in Spanish. I met the family at the small grave; they were a young couple with a four-year-old daughter. No other friends or family were present, which told me that they were recently arrived immigrants.

More like invaders from another country.

The physical, emotional, and spiritual scars often experienced by immigrants, and felt most acutely by the poor, are not seen or known by the rest of the population.

Oh, that's right. Non-"immigrant" never experience those things.

Just as that young family was in flight from danger toward security, we, too, will make a journey from the attitude of indifference and apathy toward the promise of communion and solidarity.

Fine. I will admit to solidarity of Faith . Just as long as they remain in their own country or come here legally.

God! What a crock of gówno!

4 posted on 06/30/2008 10:56:43 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

If a church uses its resources to support and help the unfortunate, then it is good and worthy of the call of Christianity, and a church generally has the right to use its resources the way it sees fit. However, when the church lobbies for law changes, tacitly overlooks illegal tapping of the host country resources by illegal immigrants, uses its resources to defy the laws of its host country or to promote demonstrations and/or violence intended to change the host country, that church loses my goodwill. And I wonder this: does the Catholic Church support all illegal immigration, or just those from Catholic countries?


5 posted on 06/30/2008 11:37:33 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Should read: “A Liberation Theology Vision of Immigration.” There is nothing “Catholic” about encouraging and rewarding law breakers. If they were true Catholics they would help them get back to their home countries and try to improve the situation there.


6 posted on 06/30/2008 12:12:47 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Three teachings of the Church on immigration are intimately related. First, individuals have the right to find employment opportunities in their homeland. Second, individuals have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families. Finally, nations have the right to control their borders. Many seek to absolutize this last teaching. But border control is always tempered by the first two. Wisely, the bishops link the immigration question to the fight against global poverty. Since we are participating members in the global economy, the bishops call for a globalization of solidarity to ensure that the economy continues to serve the real needs of people, especially the poor. Seeking investment and job development in sending nations would go a long way in reducing the flow of immigrants.

Pope John Paul II called this global economy the North-South contrast, the richer nations of the Northern Hemisphere and the poorer nations of the Southern Hemisphere. Referring to Matthew 25 and the Final Judgment at the end of the world, the Pope also commented that it would be these poorer nations of the South who would judge the nations of the North for monopolizing economic supremacy at the expense of other nations (homily in Canadian airport, September 1984). These are strong words that must be taken seriously. Because of this great wealth we must also accept the responsibilities that come as a consequence.

Ping to read later

7 posted on 06/30/2008 12:39:05 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: Alex Murphy
the Pope also commented that it would be these poorer nations of the South who would judge the nations of the North for monopolizing economic supremacy at the expense of other nations (homily in Canadian airport, September 1984).

It really is amazing how the Catholic Church strays so easily into Marxist thought.
8 posted on 06/30/2008 12:46:40 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: montag813

The Catholic Church does not run America, thank heavens!


9 posted on 06/30/2008 12:47:15 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: tessalu

Agree. Or any of the other mystics either.


10 posted on 06/30/2008 2:37:43 PM PDT by GunsareOK
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To: SoConPubbie
You don't think we, the developed world, having reached a stratospheric level of success, owe a duty to try and improve the lots of those less fortunate than us?
11 posted on 06/30/2008 3:28:23 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
"You don't think we, the developed world, having reached a stratospheric level of success, owe a duty to try and improve the lots of those less fortunate than us? "

I don't see a sarcasm tag, so I'll respond as though you were being serious:

No.
I don't.
But because charity is a good thing, and because I've already paid the rent this month and contributed (voluntarily) to some local needs;
I'd be glad to send them some nails and two by fours, plant seeds, or fishing tackle so they can help themselves, where they are at, somewhere other than here.

12 posted on 06/30/2008 4:51:47 PM PDT by norton
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To: GunsareOK
Very, very, cool!

(I somehow lost a really good response I'd drafted to #10, think it was because my jaws locked up when I inadvertently read #11 before posting.)

13 posted on 06/30/2008 4:56:09 PM PDT by norton
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To: Will88
Bringing the poor to America is not the answer to the world’s problems of poverty and lack of opportunity

Excellent line. Exactly what I was thinking, and worth repeating in bold:

Bringing the poor to America is not the answer to the world’s problems of poverty and lack of opportunity

People need to realize that normally throughout the world, when there is poverty, there is a powerful government making the poverty happen. Shuffling people geographically doesn't solve the problems of power-hungry governments.

14 posted on 06/30/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: Alex Murphy
the Pope also commented that it would be these poorer nations of the South who would judge the nations of the North for monopolizing economic supremacy at the expense of other nations (homily in Canadian airport, September 1984).

Someone please get the Vatican a good macro-economics textbook.

15 posted on 06/30/2008 5:08:02 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: thefrankbaum

“You don’t think we, the developed world, having reached a stratospheric level of success, owe a duty to try and improve the lots of those less fortunate than us?”

We already do.

BUT.... we must not do so at the expense or risk of our own sovereignty and security. Many religious Open Borders folks use your words to shame others into compliance. Folks who understand what we have to lose aren’t biting.


16 posted on 06/30/2008 5:14:43 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Don't blame me.....I support DUNCAN HUNTER.)
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To: norton
Your response surprises me. The post I responded to commented on the Pope saying that the developed world will be judged by what we do for the undeveloped world. I've heard something like that before...

'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'

Oh. Right. Helping the undeveloped world doesn't necessitate letting its denizens into ours - it means HELPING them, giving from our abundance of blessings. Whether that is going to them and educating, supplying money, books, or material - all of it helps. It is our duty, not because we are Christian, but because we are human.

17 posted on 06/30/2008 5:29:07 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Kimberly GG
Again, see my post just above this. And I can't imagine you believe that American society does all it reasonably can to help others - there are many generous people in this country, and we are more generous than most, but there are a lot of people in this country bitten with the greed bug. We have to appeal to them so they may realize the Truth that we hold dear.

'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'

18 posted on 06/30/2008 5:31:52 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Will88
And, you can cross to even more of them by moving to where they live and ministering to them there.

That's pretty much what the Pope said when he was in the US- the solution is to create economic, and societal stability in the immigrant's homeland thus preserving families, cultures, etc.

19 posted on 06/30/2008 5:42:22 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: thefrankbaum
You don't think we, the developed world, having reached a stratospheric level of success, owe a duty to try and improve the lots of those less fortunate than us?

Absolutely! As a practical matter, I think it behooves us to not only heed the words of the Church in her call for compassionate immigration regulation, but to actually follow her lead and adopt immigration laws which mirror that of her own nation, the Vatican.

20 posted on 06/30/2008 9:07:51 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Hey padre, take your collar and stick it in a sensitive spot! Your opinion is worth just as much (and deserving of the same scrutiny) as any other member of society.

That being said, I once lived in a rectory, and the six priests on hand were all pro-illegal and saw uncontrolled immigration from Mexico and Central America as a blessing. I can think of only one priest, who use to write for Sam Francis's Middle American New, who was against illegal immigration without qualification.

21 posted on 06/30/2008 9:10:47 PM PDT by Clemenza (Friggin in the Riggin...Friggin in the Riggin)
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To: tessalu
The Catholic Church does not run America, thank heavens!

Amen! Jefferson was right about the dangers of clerics becoming involved with our internal politics. Sic Semper Sacerdos!

22 posted on 06/30/2008 9:14:19 PM PDT by Clemenza (Friggin in the Riggin...Friggin in the Riggin)
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To: thefrankbaum
I'll reply later, when I'm awake.

For the time being:
The Pope is ultimately responsible for the Los Angeles CA Archdiocese...case closed.

23 posted on 07/01/2008 2:15:36 AM PDT by norton
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Journey to Justice: A Catholic "Catholic's" Vision of Immigration

There, fixed it.

24 posted on 07/01/2008 6:24:42 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: gubamyster; Zionist Conspirator; All

Thanks for the ping. Thanks for posting. Interesting article/thread.


25 posted on 07/01/2008 10:03:40 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Zionist Conspirator; gubamyster
Recall that these rights are not predicated on any other reality because they come from God.

Wrong.

That Reality of These Rights of These Individuals in This Nation came from the documents of the founding fathers of The United States of America.

Of course this declaration of the rights of the individual was made before the existence of any such thing as a citizen of the United States.

Wrong again. That specific, concise declaration was never made anywhere, at any time, in the history of mankind.

That concept of "rights of the individual" had to be concretized into a document, a reality.

That Declaration Document of These Rights of These Individuals in This Nation came from the the founding fathers of The United States of America.

Look around the "reality" of the world the last 232 years to see how many (god-given) "rights (lives) of individuals" were pulverized into the dustbin of history.

26 posted on 07/02/2008 7:36:56 AM PDT by PGalt
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