Posted on 06/30/2008 12:34:12 PM PDT by Aretaphila
In a June 29, 2008, piece in the Opinion section of the Santa Fe New Mexican, Michael J. Chávez wrote of how gratified he was to see so many churches represented at the Gay Pride parade in Albuquerque earlier this month. He saw this is a positive step, but only a beginning toward his ultimate goal of having all Christian churches completely de-stigmatize homosexuality, to recognize that “intimate relations between a God-centered, same sex couple is not immoral” and “that we [homosexuals] are not an abomination in the eyes of God”...
(Excerpt) Read more at moraliablog.com ...
I can guarantee that my church will never attend any such gathering!
You know, I would have thought 10 years ago that I could make that statement with confidence. But I see the inroads the emergent church and mother earth stuff is making in our very conservative evangelical church, and I’m humbly praying, but not totally convinced, that we’ll never slide down that path.
Apparently these people have either not studied the Bible, or have chosen to ignore those versus which clearly identify homosexual behavior as an abomination in the eyes of God.
You notice no denomination naming other than “Christian”. Just another attempt to try and equalize the RCC and mainstream denominations with the goober churches that follow whatever prophet sounds in line with their current morality ( or lack there of ).
Stay strong His time is coming.
Those who practice perversion need to justify their sin as a coping mechanism for their abomination.
That’s why they are so desperate to get liberal churches on board.
This nation is in deep deep trouble.
What would the Coredemptrix and Mother of the World Do?
Haven’t a clue who you are talking about.
Of course, I’m Catholic. Which means I am Christian. Which means Christ is the only way to salvation. Which means I belong to the Church he founded.
So any slander otherwise is meaningless.
Did I slander someone?
here is no way you can “spin” all Catholics into the “bad” category.
The title is misleading, and I wonder if any protestant participants were in the parade also?
HMMM. Biased?
**What would the Coredemptrix and Mother of the World Do?**
Your phrase is wrong.
How about just “Mother of God.”
"Never apologize for the Blessed Virgin Mary!"
~~Mother Angelica
Nor should you slander the Mother of Christ, both man and God.
Mother of Jesus Christ in His humanity, not in His diety.
Read the Gospels and find out how many times “Mother of God” is mentioned.
Just for fun!
The newspaper had an article today saying 400,000 people attended the Seattle gay parade. I am on the other side of the state (fortunately), but am assuming they overstated the true attendance by at least a factor of ten.
You mean the Coredeemer and Mother of the Earth?
Either that, or San Francisco was emptied out.
Mary, illustrates triune roles of Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of all graces, and Advocate to Jesus Christ. In this capacity, she is truly representative of a New Evangelization that unites humanity in a journey to comprehend God’s Sacred Mysteries for the world.A proclamation of such magnitude offers the common faiths of the world the opportunity, theologically and philosophically to speculate on all common aspects of our global aspirations towards a world united by common appreciation of Mary’s universal maternal place as Mother of all Humanity. The expectation of regarding Mary as the pinnacle example of human co-operation permits all peoples the chance to emulate and practice the same co-operation with each other in faith and practical applications.
This can be found at:
http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=5349
Under keyword "Mother of the World"
Stalking complaint filed.
What is a stalking complaint and how am I guilty of stalking?
I do love the smell of Nestorianism in the morning.
Thanks for the encouragement. His time is indeed coming, and like many before me, I believe it could be any moment, and certainly within my lifetime.
Blessings,
And they're right. As you said, it is homosexual behavior, i.e. the act, that is an abomination. Unfortunately, they tend to identify themselves so thoroughly with the sin that they cannot see the difference. The devil has told them an insidious lie, and sadly, they believe it.
That's OK: So do the Assyrians. :)
If they so completely identify themselves by their homosexual behavior, don’t they then become the abomination?
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No. It remains a lie whether one believes it or not. Truth is not relative.
Didn’t say you did. It was simply a statement.
Oh and BTW, bet you make your wife proud. Seeing that she’s Catholic and all...
I expect no more than bigotry from adherents of the heresy of Atheistic Christianity that was started by Martin Luther.
Let your soul be rested, the answers you are looking for are within your grasp because of the grace of god. The deeper questions of life and death and God will never be fully answered scientifically or rationally, but the answers are nonetheless there for you. Be not afraid.
Probably the newspaper reporters did not want every one to know they were the only one,s who attended, so they put thier imagination to work.
Tell me, how can Mary, mother of Jesus, be the “co-Redemptrix” when she needed to be redeemed by Jesus himself in order to be considered “saved”? If she required being redeemed, then she is not an equal with Jesus in his role as redeemer.
There is a movement afoot to elevate Mary. I never understood the theological basis for it.
Zero
The article referenced (Mother of the world) is an opinion piece, not the teaching of the Church.
Isn’t it funny that the thread becomes all about Mary? Some people are obsessed about her. I’m not a psychologist but I do wonder.
What does it mean when an article mainly about homosexuality that doesn’t mention Mary turns into childish and ignorant attacks on Mary and therefore Catholics?
Anything to attack the Catholic Church even if it is just the opinion of one.
I think I’ll go write a few articles about a bunch of different Protestant denominations under a psuedonym using false premises and fake understanding of their theology and then reference them and link to them often.
“The article referenced (Mother of the world) is an opinion piece, not the teaching of the Church.”
There is a movement afoot to make it church doctrine
“Over 500 Bishops Have Sent Their Request for This Solemn Definition”
ROME, 11 FEB. 2008 (ZENIT)
Here is an English translation of the letter written by the five cardinal co-sponsors of the Fatima Symposium on Marian Co-redemption and sent to the world’s bishops and cardinals asking them to sign a petition that asks Benedict XVI to proclaim Mary as the Spiritual Mother of Humanity.
The letter was sent Jan. 1, solemnity of the Mother of God, and signed by Cardinal Telesphore Toppo, archbishop of Ranchi, India; Cardinal Luis Aponte Martínez, retired archbishop of San Juan, Puerto Rico; Cardinal Varkey Vithayathil, major archbishop of Ernakulam-Angamaly, India; Cardinal Riccardo Vidal, archbishop of Cebu, Philippines; and Cardinal Ernesto Corripio y Ahumada, retired archbishop of Mexico City.
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Dear Brother Eminences and Excellencies:
In May 2005, we, as cardinal co-patrons, sponsored a Mariological symposium convened on the subject of the cooperation of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the work of human Redemption at the favored Fatima shrine in Portugal.
After extensive theological presentations delivered by a significant number of cardinals, bishops, and theologians, we concluded the symposium by enacting a votum to His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI. The votum reads as follows:
Your Holiness, Benedict XVI,
In an effort to enhance the ecumenical mission of the Church, and to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ in all its fullness, we, the undersigned cardinals and bishops who have convened in the favored Marian Shrine of Fatima (May 3-7, 2005), wish to express to you, Most Holy Father, our united hope and desire for the solemn papal definition of the doctrine of the Church regarding Mary Most Holy as the Spiritual Mother of all humanity, the Co-redemptrix with Jesus the Redeemer, Mediatrix of all graces with Jesus the one Mediator, and Advocate with Jesus Christ on behalf of the human race.
In a time of significant confusion amidst the many diverse ecclesial bodies of Christianity, and as well among non-Christian peoples concerning this Marian doctrine, we believe the time opportune for a solemn definition of clarification regarding the constant teaching of the Church concerning the Mother of the Redeemer and her unique cooperation (cf. Lumen Gentium, n. 61) in the work of Redemption, as well as her subsequent roles in the distribution of grace and intercession for the human family.
It is of great importance, Holy Father, that peoples of other religious traditions receive the clarification on the highest level of authentic doctrinal certainty that we can provide, that the Catholic Church essentially distinguishes between the sole role of Jesus Christ, divine and human Redeemer of the world, and the unique though secondary and dependent human participation of the Mother of Christ in the great work of Redemption.
Therefore, Your Holiness, with filial obedience and respect, we wish to present you with this votum of our solidarity of hope for the papal definition of the Immaculate Virgin Mother of God as the spiritual Mother of all peoples in her three maternal roles as Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix of all graces and Advocate, as the ultimate expression of doctrinal clarity at the service of our Christian and non-Christian brothers and sisters who are not in communion with Rome, and as well as for the greater understanding and appreciation of this revealed doctrine concerning the Mother of the Redeemer by the People of God at the outset of this third millennium of Christianity.
We thereby submit this votum accompanied by one possible formulation of the Marian doctrine which we, please God, pray may be solemnly defined by your Holiness:
Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of man, gave to humanity from the Cross his mother Mary to be the spiritual Mother of all peoples, the Co-redemptrix, who under and with her Son cooperated in the Redemption of all people; the Mediatrix of all graces, who as Mother brings us the gifts of eternal life; and the Advocate, who presents our prayers to her Son.
On June 7, 2006, our brother, Telesphore Cardinal Toppo, presented the above votum in Latin to His Holiness on behalf of all the cardinal and bishop participants at the 2005 Fatima Symposium, together with the published acta from the symposium. The Holy Father received the votum and the acta with an accentuated gratitude and his expressed intention to study carefully the acta.
We now write to you, brother cardinals and bishops, to inform you of this votum for the solemn definition of Our Lady as the Spiritual Mother of humanity and its essential roles, and respectfully request your own prayerful consideration regarding the possibility of adding your own esteemed assent to this votum to Our Holy Father. We have enclosed a copy of the original Latin votum for your examination and, if you felt so inspired by Our Lady, you would be free to sign and to forward it on to His Holiness.
Certainly, if it so pleased the Holy Father to proceed with this request, any final formation of the definition would in no manner be bound to the formulation of the enclosed votum, but rather left entirely to his unique charism as the Successor of Peter. It is also noteworthy that over the course of the past fifteen years, over 500 bishops have sent their request for this solemn definition to the Holy See, along with approximately 7 million petitions from the Catholic faithful worldwide.
We thank you for your prayerful consideration of this request on behalf of Our Lady, Mother of the Church and Queen of the Apostles. May she guide you in your discernment of this matter to the wisdom of Jesus Christ, our divine Redeemer, through the counsel of the Holy Spirit, all leading to the fulfillment of the perfect will of our Heavenly Father.
With cordial best wishes in Jesus and Mary,
Telesphore Cardinal Toppo, Archbishop of Ranchi, India; President of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India; Luis Cardinal Aponte Martínez, Archbishop Emeritus of San Juan, Puerto Rico, Varkey Cardinal Vithayathil, Major Archbishop of Ernakulam-Angamaly, India, Riccardo Cardinal Vidal, Archbishop of Cebu, Philippines
Ernesto Cardinal Corrippio Ahumada, Primate Emeritus of Mexico
Cardinal Co-sponsors of the Fatima Symposium on Marian Coredemption”
http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/zcardmardogm.htm
And, here I thought, that with the movie “The DaVinci code”, there was a movement to elevate Mary Magdelene to a position equal to Jesus, while rendering Jesus himself as being nothing more than mortal.
Humanity and divinity are inseparably united in Christ. There is not a human Christ, and a divine Christ, there is one Christ and He has a mother.
There is a movement afoot to ordain women priests, that doesn’t make it Catholic teaching or belief.
There are many movements, some which may have merit and many more which absolutely have none. It doesn’t make any of it Catholic teaching or belief.
If you want to know what Catholic really believe, read the Catechism and the Bible.
Get back to me when the Quadrinity becomes RCC dogma. Mariolitry is a disease that will kill the Church. Good luck ignoring it.
Mariolitry will not kill the Catholic Church it will survive, intact until the end of time as we know it, Jesus said so.
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