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Bishop ordains wife at cathedral
BBC ^ | June 30, 2008

Posted on 07/01/2008 9:41:43 AM PDT by NYer

The Bishop of Manchester, the Right Reverend Nigel McCulloch, has ordained his wife at Manchester Cathedral.

Celia McCulloch is to serve as a full-time stipendiary curate in the parish of Cheetham, north Manchester.

She was one of 44 people who were ordained this weekend in three services held in the Diocese of Manchester.

"The day of ordination represents the end of one part of a journey and the start of another," Bishop McCulloch said.

"It is an honour for a bishop, and in my case a special honour for a husband, to be part of that journey.

"I hope the many communities across Greater Manchester, that will welcome these new clergy, will pray for them as they begin their work."

Mrs McCulloch said: "Like my fellow ordinands, I am looking forward to working in my new parish.

"All of us have responded to God's call to serve those in need, to lead people in prayer and teach and encourage by word and example."

The couple have been married for more than 30 years.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: anglican; ordination; uk

Celia McCulloch one of 44 people who were ordained this weekend

1 posted on 07/01/2008 9:41:44 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 07/01/2008 9:42:24 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
Looks like she was ordained a deaconess, not a priestess.

The article doesn't say, but the stole worn diagonally indicates that.

. . . but isn't there some sort of conflict of interest here? Although I've heard of ECUSA bishops ordaining their SONS . . . .

3 posted on 07/01/2008 9:46:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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4 posted on 07/01/2008 9:47:47 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: NYer
The claim to be Anglicans, but they seem more like devout Nepotists to me.
5 posted on 07/01/2008 9:51:57 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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The claim to be Anglicans, but they seem more like devout Nepotists to me.

Ah, the return of the Nepotarian heresy once thought to have been successfully suppressed in the fifth century, it now makes a comeback.

6 posted on 07/01/2008 10:01:28 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Now get out there and spread some liberty.)
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To: NYer
Bishop ordains wife at cathedral

Did she make a promise to obey him and his successors? This will create more problems than it solves, esp. in her dealings with other diocesan clergy, who'll always regard her differently.

7 posted on 07/01/2008 10:14:54 AM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: KarlInOhio

Does devout Nepotism somehow involve bad haircuts? If so, I think you are on to something.


8 posted on 07/01/2008 12:02:54 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: NYer

No problem, really. He had no apostolic succession to hand down, anyway. Let them “minister” to each other. Based on recent events, they probably have no flock outside of their parsonage.


9 posted on 07/01/2008 12:34:24 PM PDT by magisterium
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To: NYer
It's rare that such a terse headline can lampoon Christianity so superbly. It carries a maximum of humor with an economy of words. A sure sign of great comedy.

That the bishop should a) have a wife in the first place and b) that he should decide to ordain her in the second place, is a Monty Python-esque Christian satire of the first order.

A real knee-slapper and all for the price of five words.

10 posted on 07/01/2008 1:59:21 PM PDT by marshmallow (An infallible Bible is useless without an infallible interpreter)
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To: marshmallow
That the bishop should a) have a wife in the first place and b) that he should decide to ordain her in the second place, is a Monty Python-esque Christian satire of the first order.

Indeed! As always, your wisdom supercedes the ignorance often exhibited in postings to the forum. Thanks! And .... kudos! I always enjoy your postings even if I don't comment on them.

11 posted on 07/01/2008 4:09:04 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Hoo boy. This will hasten the demise of the Anglican church.


12 posted on 07/01/2008 5:21:28 PM PDT by carcar (Carlos)
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To: marshmallow
That the bishop should a) have a wife in the first place

I believe it was St Paul who said one qualification for being a bishop is that the man have one wife.

13 posted on 07/01/2008 5:30:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: marshmallow
That the bishop should a) have a wife in the first place

As the Douay-Rheims translation of the Bible sets out the requirements for a Bishop:

"It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behaviour, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher, Not given to wine, no striker, but modest, not quarrelsome, not covetous, but One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity.

1 Timothy 3:2-4.

14 posted on 07/01/2008 6:22:50 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: NYer

Well I suppose the good news is that one is male, the other female. Of course, that could change to same sex soon enough.

And one wonders why something like 3% of the Brits attend church regularly.


15 posted on 07/01/2008 6:25:56 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: NYer

This IS a matter of news!

An Episcopal bishop with an FEMALE wife!


16 posted on 07/01/2008 6:35:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup (President of the Freeper Co-ed Naked Mud-wrestling Team!)
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To: marshmallow
That the bishop should a) have a wife in the first place and b) that he should decide to ordain her in the second place, is a Monty Python-esque Christian satire of the first order.

Well, St. Peter was married. But I doubt he tried to ordain his wife!

17 posted on 07/01/2008 7:02:11 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: PAR35
My friend, you may wish to consider two things: First, St. Paul was writing to the first (and early second) generation of Christians. Virtually all of these people were originally pagans, and had already been married at the time of their conversion. The bishops had to be gleaned from someplace, so naturally, St. Paul allows for a married clergy. Otherwise, if a celibate clergy were considered allowable (or even desirable, see below) the Christian Churches would have to wait until boys born into the Faith had matured enough to become bishops without the baggage of having been born into pagan households and the presuppositions inherent therein.

Second, in any case, your quote of 1 Timothy is hardly a proof-text for your assertions, since St. Paul himself, a bishop AND Apostle, was unmarried!!! See 1 Corinthians 7:8,25,32-34. I trust you see that he could hardly insist that bishops be married - as you assert - while simultaneously refusing to take on the mantle of "husband" himself?

18 posted on 07/01/2008 7:31:36 PM PDT by magisterium
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To: Zero Sum
Well, St. Peter was married.

Yes, but he was quite likely a widower. This is evidenced by his mother-in-law serving Christ and the other disciples when she was healed. Had St. Peter's wife been living, it would have been her task.

Airtight, no. But this is the likely situation.

19 posted on 07/01/2008 7:48:02 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: magisterium
1 Corinthians 7:8,25,32-34

Not dispositive of the issue. Paul may well have been a widower. For example, 7:8 could have as easily have been penned by a widower as by one who was never married. And, where the scriptures are not clear, we should turn to where they are, in order to interpret the whole. And the requirements for a Bishop are quite clear.

And, don't forget, even in the Catholic church, married popes were known for over half of its history.

20 posted on 07/01/2008 8:22:59 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Even if he were a widower (and no contemporary or subsequent source ever claimed St. Paul was a widower), the tenor of the passage in 1 Corinthians is that it is better to serve the Lord as a single person because one can dedicate one’s life fully to His service. Certainly, a bishop is in a position where this is doubly true.


21 posted on 07/02/2008 8:44:16 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: GCC Catholic

1 Corinthians 9:5 does provide evidence that Peter and at least some other Apostles were married within the timeframe of their ministries: “Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a wife, as the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?”

But it doesn’t matter that some of the Apostles might have been married. St. Paul says one clearly puts himself in a better position to serve the Lord when he remains single, the trend toward celibacy was already established in the 2nd Century, and was very nearly universal in its application among bishops by the 3rd Century. Upstarts whose theological patrimony doesn’t even begin until thirteen centuries later are hardly in a position to know the heart and mind of the early Church, and would do well to emulate it, even if “not every word” is found in the Bible per se. Those early Christians knew the heart and mind of the Church and knew Scripture and divine Tradition worked in harmony. Those who completely ignore extra-biblical truths out of a misguided zeal for the alleged goal of “Biblical purity” miss out on much that the early Christians enjoyed the fruit of.


22 posted on 07/02/2008 9:01:41 AM PDT by magisterium
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