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Hope You Are Hated [Devotional]
email from Randall | 3 July 2008 | Randall Easter

Posted on 07/03/2008 9:35:59 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Subject: Devotional "Hope you are Hated" Date: Jul 3, 2008 12:07 PM John 7:7

"The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil." In John chapter 7 Jesus is already a wanted man and this is made obvious by the fact the Jews are in hot pursuit of Jesus to kill him. It is time for the Feasts of Booths and everyone is on their way up to the feast, but Jesus is waiting and listening for his Father's voice. Jesus' brothers are enticing him to go public with his supernatural works in the town of Judea. Jesus tells his brothers that he is not going up to the Feast at this moment because it is not time for him to go. He tells his brothers that they can go up anytime they desire to go. Jesus then gives them a very striking rebuke, "The world is not able to hate you." Why was the world unable to hate them? The world did not hate them, because they were of the world. The lost man does not have to battle the world no more than a fish has to battle water. The lost man does not have to battle the world no more that a rock battles with gravity when dropped off of a ten story building. Unbelieving man simply goes wherever the world draws him to go.

Jesus on the other hand is set in an extreme contrast between his brothers and himself. Jesus is most assuredly hated by the world. Why is he hated? The world claims that everyone ought to do good and hurt no one and then we can all get along. Well there is not a person that has ever lived that has done as much good as Jesus and he is the most hated man of all history. Jesus healed people, cared for people, taught people, fed people, led people by example, loved children, and he showed compassion to the people who were hurting the most. So, why was he so hated? Jesus never had a fist fight, never stole anything, never coveted, never committed adultery, never dishonored his parent, never committed idolatry, and he never lied. Yet it is of obvious truth that the world hated him and continues to hate him. Why? "He testified about the world that its works are evil."

Dearly beloved, if you are a believer you will be hated by the world. You can be good and do well, but the world will hate anyone who tells them that their works are evil. When Christians expose the sin of the world by communicating truth the world will be hateful. The world will call you narrow minded, a bigot, a fundamentalist, a non-conformist, and they will call you unloving. This is the way it is for Jesus and it will be the same way for his followers. Stand strong for the truth this day and I pray that the world will not receive you as one of its own.

Because of the truth:

Pastor: J. Randall Easter

II Timothy 2:19

"Our God is in heaven and does whatever He pleases."(Ps. 115:3)

"He predestined us according to the good pleasure of His will."(Eph. 1:5)

Those who have been saved have been saved for His glory and they are being made holy for this is the will of God. Are you being made holy?

Spurgeon says, "If your religion does not make you holy it will damn you to hell."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Religion & Culture; Theology
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The text:

John 7 2 Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand. 3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. 4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, show thyself to the world. 5 For neither did his brethren believe in him. 6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready. 7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. 8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come. 9 When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. 10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. 11 Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he? 12 And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people. 13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.

1 posted on 07/03/2008 9:36:00 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

That was good, thanks for the reminder.


2 posted on 07/03/2008 9:40:48 AM PDT by liege
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

RE your title:

I don’t appear to have any great lack in this department.

Thanks for thought-provoking post.


3 posted on 07/03/2008 9:58:04 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: Quix; Manfred the Wonder Dawg

I don’t seem to be lacking in that area either my brother.


4 posted on 07/03/2008 10:12:54 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Well, with increasing instance and severity, we Catholics certainly are. Why, certain groups here on the FR religion forum take care of a good chunk of that on their own! :-0


5 posted on 07/03/2008 11:07:44 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: magisterium

Honestly - I speak for myself in this post: RCs are not hated. RCC dogma, doctrine, etc. that rails against Scripture is. Same with Mormons - it ain’t them that are hated; it’s their doctrines of demons that deny Christ. Anyone who defends unbiblical doctrines is sure to feel the hatred that is aimed at the false teaching. Unless ad hominem attacks take place, one shouldn’t take attacks on doctrine personally.


6 posted on 07/03/2008 11:34:41 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Honestly - I speak for myself in this post: RCs are not hated. RCC dogma, doctrine, etc.

Since the followers of Christ are hated because of their beliefs, which are identified with Christ, your point creates a distinction without a difference. It's a shame that, in addition to the pagans and worldlings who have always opposed the Catholic Church and its members, other brands of Christians direct so much similar animosity toward it.

A multitude of anti-Catholic threads here on FR bear this out. They often do not merely disagree with doctrine, they are smear threads, designed solely to make the Church look bad or ridiculous. Their posting is certainly engendered by hatred of some type! Likewise, there are threads with simple disagreement with Catholic teaching as a theme, which wind up getting hijacked by sometimes hundreds of posts that have not much, if anything, to do with the thread theme, but simply use it as a springboard to bring up vile imaginings or half-truths. Surely, those are not motivated in Christian charity!

Ignoring your assertion that Catholic doctrine is inspired by the devil as simply coming from ignorance, it is still true that much of what is directed against the Church is just raw hatred swinging wildly against what people see as Catholic shibboleths, or against what they think is "Catholic doctrine," but, in fact, is a total falsehood or strawman set-up to complain about. That we allegedly "worship Mary" is a good and common example of this sort of thing. No matter how many times it is denied, no matter how many times the Catholic catechism is cited to show this is demonstrably false, some people can't let go of it, for the thought that Catholics are idolators gives them, apparently, too much comfort. Archbishop Fulton Sheen got it right when he said: "There aren't one hundred people in the whole country who hate what the Catholic Church teaches, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church teaches." Events on this forum alone prove him right, in spades!

7 posted on 07/03/2008 12:33:27 PM PDT by magisterium
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To: magisterium

Very well said.


8 posted on 07/03/2008 1:09:50 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: magisterium

Followers of Christ are hated because their lives line up with their beliefs and the world hates Jesus. With the followers of religions, on the other hand, it is a distinction with a difference. The Bible tells us not to hate those who are lost, but have compassion upon them. We are to hate those whom the Lord hates, and the Bible tells us who He hates: outwardly religious people whose hearts are far removed from Him and His Truths.

Smears happen from RCs as well as against them, so your observation about those activities is off-setting as well as irrelevant.

I didn’t say RCC doctrine was from Satan - I said Mormon doctrine about Christ is the doctrine of demons. I do think, however, that there is no neutral corner in the spiritual realm and that any teaching that denies essential Christian doctrine (the deity of Christ, His sufficiency, etc.) is not of the Lord and must, therefore, be of Satan. I give you the “Revival in Lakeland” as an example. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2037402/posts

So when an RC claims any man or group of men to be without error when interpreting God’s will (if he sits in the right chair or whatever the conditions are), this is a lie from hell. Same with anyone’s claim that new birth requires works from the one who would be born again.

But how people on either side of an issue behave is not for me to define or defend. People are the rule for what is right or wrong - the Word of God fills that spot.

Regarding Mary worship - from this side of the fence, RCs deny it fanatically, but news reports and RCC pronouncements show otherwise, though the denials grow louder and more strident. Mary (and other idols) are worshiped by untold numbers of people around the world. The RCC has tried to assimilate cultures as it moves in, rather than reproving sin with the Word.

While many people err in claiming to know the official teachings of another religion, that is not a defense against false teaching within that religion. Arguing that the critique hasn’t stated the doctrine just so doesn’t, in and of itself, invalidate the argument.


9 posted on 07/03/2008 1:10:22 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Gamecock

LOL . . . our easier ‘merit’ badges?

LOL.

LUB


10 posted on 07/03/2008 2:40:46 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Arguing that the critique hasn’t stated the doctrine just so doesn’t, in and of itself, invalidate the argument.

That is interesting. Seems to me, that if the premise is flawed the conclusion drawn from the premise is flawed as well. Maybe I'm just unfamiliar with a new math kind of logic.

11 posted on 07/03/2008 2:50:30 PM PDT by LordBridey
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

It’s really tough when you become a born-again believer and your family turns its back on you. But I always had to laugh, when they were in trouble, they knew who to come to for help or prayer. I’d rather be hated for His sake than have the approval of man.


12 posted on 07/03/2008 8:10:54 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: magisterium

Nobody hates you magisterium. That’s false. If we didn’t care, we wouldn’t put ourselves into these discussions so fervently. We care about your soul.


13 posted on 07/03/2008 8:12:00 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Psalm 82
A Psalm of Asaph.
1GOD STANDS in the assembly [of the representatives] of God; in the midst of the magistrates or judges He gives judgment [as] among the gods.

2How long will you [magistrates or judges] judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]!

3Do justice to the weak (poor) and fatherless; maintain the rights of the afflicted and needy.

4Deliver the poor and needy; rescue them out of the hand of the wicked.

5[The magistrates and judges] know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in the darkness [of complacent satisfaction]; all the foundations of the earth [the fundamental principles upon which rests the administration of justice] are shaking.

6I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.(A)

7But you shall die as men and fall as one of the princes.

8Arise, O God, judge the earth! For to You belong all the nations.(B)

Cross references:

1. Psalm 82:6 : John 10:34-36; Rom 13:1, 2
2. Psalm 82:8 : Rev 11:15


14 posted on 07/04/2008 6:33:14 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; All
I look at the Lord's Great Commission for how to spread the Good News:

Matt 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

The Lord here says TEACH -- make disciples (students). A person cannot be an effective teacher by antagonizing, insulting or mocking their student. A good teacher shows respect and allows the student to process any truths in private. A good teacher will share an idea that is precious... an idea that changed their life for the better.

In our religion, we understand 'nations' to mean all the states of goodness within a person. So when the Lord says 'disciples of all the nations', appeal to the good in the person (student). We all have a choice to be good (charitable) or be right. I know that good will get a person to heaven. Right may get you arguing religion to eternity.

15 posted on 07/04/2008 6:34:58 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (If you know these things, you are blessed if you act upon them. John 13:17)
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To: DaveMSmith

The Great Commission gives “marching orders”, but I do not see it as instructions. Throughout Scripture, we see Christ and the Apostles giving law to the proud (that they might be convicted of sin) and grace to the humble (for they have been convicted). The Great Commission says to make disciples, it does not say how to evangelize the lost - who must be born again before they can be discipled.

The WORST thing a Christian can do is lead a goat into thinking he’s a sheep.


16 posted on 07/04/2008 8:25:59 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Matt 7:12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Matt 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you

The Lord was very clear: baptize and teach. His disciples were not to convict anyone of sin nor were they told to discern if someone was born-again or not. That is for the Lord alone.

"Make disciples of ALL nations" - only other thing I recall Him saying (when He sent out the 70) is shake the dust from your sandals if you are not received.

We understand goats (as in Matthew 25:31-46) as those in faith alone -- without charity. Sheep are those in faith and charity. I'm not quite sure how you're defining 'Christian', 'goat', or 'sheep'

17 posted on 07/04/2008 11:41:44 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (If you know these things, you are blessed if you act upon them. John 13:17)
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To: DaveMSmith

John chapter 4, woman at the well. Christ used the law (show me your husband), pointing our her adultery, to convict her of sin.

John chapter 8, woman caught in adultery. Christ used the law (let him who is without sin cast the first stone), pointing out the pride of the men, to convict them of sin.

The teaching of people of necessity follows the conversion of them, as spiritually dead people cannot understand spiritual Truth. It falls not to Christians to determine who is a sheep, we accept the testimony of one and accept him as a brother until/unless his behavior reveals him to be a liar and not one of us.

Nowhere does the Scripture teach to baptize or disciple those who are prideful in their disdain for the Lord or those who cannot declare themselves to be His. Jesus had sharp rebukes to religious leaders - He did not baptize and teach them.

The context of the Scripture is key in understanding how it applies. Baptize and teach those who have received the gospel with joy. Yes, the Spirit judges and convicts of sin; the Christian works in league with the Holy Spirit, not in place of Him.


18 posted on 07/04/2008 12:04:23 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Well spoken, it’s the doctrine, not the person. Ignore the whiners.


19 posted on 07/04/2008 1:57:48 PM PDT by Big Bopper
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
The world will call you narrow minded, a bigot, a fundamentalist, a non-conformist, and they will call you unloving.

We see it every day. All we can do is keep preaching The Gospel and pray for the lost.

20 posted on 07/04/2008 2:12:05 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Jesus, the Lord God showed sin in your examples. In fact, in John 8, He shows us the spiritual meaning of the sixth commandment. Spiritually, it means do not falsify the Word, which the Scribes and Pharisees were doing (that's why He wrote in the earth, like at the Temple).

How can you 'convert' a person without teaching them about the Lord? A person has to reach their own conclusion and approach the Lord themselves by their own reasoning. The only thing we can do is create disciples of ALL. Love one another. No exceptions.

Yesterday, my SIL (born again evangelical) was telling me a close friend of hers from back east has serious and severe cancer and took some amount of effort to get in touch with my SIL. They were very close. When the rest of the family found out, everyone just assumed she would want to go back east to visit her sick friend.

She actually said to me "I would go, but between me and you, she doesn't know the Lord". I was just floored. This so-called self-styled 'Christian' woman won't visit a sick friend? Yet, she'll jump through hoops for my FIL when he gets sick... and it's really hard to find good within him.

Point is, the sick woman was probably reaching out to my SIL because of her religion. The Lord was giving her a chance to share her faith, but her faith is separated from charity. She can quote Scripture but doesn't actually live it and apply it to her life.

Regarding teaching the Scribes and Pharisees, the NT is full of examples of the Lord teaching just that group, like with this:

Luke 15:1 Then all the tax collectors and the sinners drew near to Him to hear Him. 2 And the Pharisees and scribes complained, saying, "This Man receives sinners and eats with them." 3 So He spoke this parable to them, saying: 4 "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!' 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

21 posted on 07/05/2008 2:43:55 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (If you know these things, you are blessed if you act upon them. John 13:17)
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To: Big Bopper
“Life constitutes the Church, not doctrine; except in the measure that it becomes applicable to life.”

What a Church teaches and how it is received are usually vastly different things. When a person applies the truths of the Word to their life, they make those truths their own... they become the Church in its least form.

22 posted on 07/05/2008 2:50:49 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (If you know these things, you are blessed if you act upon them. John 13:17)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; ...
Anyone who defends unbiblical doctrines is sure to feel the hatred that is aimed at the false teaching. Unless ad hominem attacks take place, one shouldn’t take attacks on doctrine personally.

Amen to that!

23 posted on 07/05/2008 2:36:11 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: magisterium; ELS
I am so sorry to hear/read that. Perhaps what you assert is why I stay off of the Catholic threads ... except the one weekly where The Pope's catechists is offered.
24 posted on 07/05/2008 3:35:04 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: magisterium; ELS

You can probably tell I’m not a Catholic ... I misspelled an important word - ‘Catecheses’


25 posted on 07/05/2008 3:44:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: magisterium

Amen brother. I am a Catholic.


26 posted on 07/05/2008 3:48:15 PM PDT by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Utah Girl; Grig
Followers of Christ are hated because their lives line up with their beliefs and the world hates Jesus.

Amen.

27 posted on 07/05/2008 4:34:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Marysecretary; colorcountry
I’d rather be hated for His sake than have the approval of man.

Excellent point, and germane to many conversations on FR.

28 posted on 07/06/2008 8:00:37 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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