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If I Want To Convert To Islam?
vanity | 7/3/2008 | A Navy Vet

Posted on 07/04/2008 2:28:41 AM PDT by A Navy Vet

I have a legitimate question to my American Muslim brothers:

As an agnostic, how would I be able to convert to Islam? What is the procedure??

Do I have to renounce my childhood Christian background? What Islamic rites must I recognize? What ceremonial process need I go through to give my soul to Allah and his Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon Him)?

As I read the Koran and the Hadiths, I am starting to get a better picture of Mohammed's (Peace be upon him) message.

I am now desirious of leaning more, but don't know where to start.

After reading much on the Internet, including ancient scribes in the Koran, I am learning that Islam just may be the avenue to peace on Earth and eternal life.

I am seriously fed up with the direction our country is heading.

I NEED and WANT to believe that there is a higher power that will bring my human brothers together and fight for a rightous moral concept that only Allah can provide.

Seriously, help me to understand. I am at a lost and looking towards Islam to provide the moral answers I need in my life. Christianity and Judaism and agnosticism have not provide the answers.

I live in Orange County, CA. Can you guide me to a local Mosque so I can hear and experience the wonderful teachings of Mohammed (Peace be upon him)? Too much rum has made me lost and I want something more. My wife is willing, also.


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1 posted on 07/04/2008 2:28:41 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet

Any Muslims here?


2 posted on 07/04/2008 2:30:17 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum (An Oath is Forever))
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To: A Navy Vet

http://convertingtoislam.com/


3 posted on 07/04/2008 2:32:47 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: A Navy Vet

4 posted on 07/04/2008 2:33:02 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: A Navy Vet

If you’re looking for peace...try another religion.....


5 posted on 07/04/2008 2:33:34 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: A Navy Vet
"I am at a lost"

You sure are FRiend.

6 posted on 07/04/2008 2:34:11 AM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: A Navy Vet

I am learning that Islam just may be the avenue to peace on Earth and eternal life.

Good luck with that...

7 posted on 07/04/2008 2:35:28 AM PDT by inflorida
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To: A Navy Vet

I am not a Muslim, but I know the procedure. You have to take off your shoes, kneel, face Mecca, and announce five times that there is no god but al-Lah and Mohammed the Moron is his messenger while banging your forehead against the ground with your ass in the air. I would suggest that if you do this, you do in someplace where there are no queers.


8 posted on 07/04/2008 2:38:43 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: A Navy Vet
"My wife is willing"

If she wasn't, would you throw acid in her face....your "brothers" would. www.acidsurvivors.org

9 posted on 07/04/2008 2:43:11 AM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: A Navy Vet

First, you will have to have your wife circumcised


10 posted on 07/04/2008 2:43:19 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: A Navy Vet
Too much rum has made me lost and I want something more.

LOL! I assume this little effort was written by some local muzzie who believes he is planting the idea in the minds of local agnostic, rum-sodden Americans. Or maybe he's thinking of the British navy. The stilted English sounds kind of 18th century, anyway.

11 posted on 07/04/2008 2:45:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: A Navy Vet

Back sloooowly away from the bong.


12 posted on 07/04/2008 2:52:56 AM PDT by JennysCool (They all say they want change, but they're really after folding money.)
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To: A Navy Vet

“No one comes to the father but through the son”. The one true God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the creator of all things. Thou shall have no other Gods before me. Islam is the work of satan, not God.


13 posted on 07/04/2008 2:56:22 AM PDT by exnavy ( conservative, not republican)
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To: Westlander
Thank you.

Converting to Islam is to declare and testify that: "There is no God except Allah; Muhammad is Messenger of Allah. La ilaha il-Allah, Muhammad-ur-Rasulullah".

English translation of this Arabic phrase is:

"There is no God except Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.".

I will recite the above phrase with witnesses and hopefully Allah will accept me into his heavenly kingdom.

14 posted on 07/04/2008 2:57:17 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum (An Oath is Forever))
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To: A Navy Vet

Is this supposed to be funny?


15 posted on 07/04/2008 3:00:13 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: A Navy Vet

I suggest more rum...


16 posted on 07/04/2008 3:00:49 AM PDT by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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“Any Muslims here?”
There were a few but I sent them out to clean my pig pens.......


17 posted on 07/04/2008 3:02:26 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: A Navy Vet

Unclever troll!


18 posted on 07/04/2008 3:09:35 AM PDT by Randy Papadoo (Nothing can stop the Duke of Earl.)
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To: A Navy Vet
You Shall Have Many Rewards
Debbie with the glasses is pretty hot

19 posted on 07/04/2008 3:10:03 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: A Navy Vet

Revelations prophecised about the coming of a “Dark Prophet,” who would claim that he was a follower of Christ, but put himself above Jesus. He would conquer 1/3rd the Earth, and cause another 1/3 to die of plague or famine.

Mohammed calls himself the Prophet of God. He claimed he believes in Christ, but placed himself above Christ. He conquered 1/3 the Earth. His followers practice of hurling plague-infested corpses into fortresses helped the plague sweep across the Earth, from China, to India, to Europe, and 1/3 of the Earth died.

Mohammed acknowledged being possessed by Satan. His visions came to him during fits of rage, akin to epilepsy. He preached that the Christian and the Jew must be converted by the threat of death, or be slain in their disbelief. He urged his followers on to global war, calling bloodshed beautiful in the eyes of God... but to seize power by deceit if that was more effective.

He promoted polygamy. His visions of the afterlife were purely Hedonistic, promising those who died in war for Islam 72 virgins. He took several wives, including one as young as six years old. He taught that raping boys didn’t count as adultery if they were under age.

Across the world, particularly in India and China, 350 million people were slaughtered by Islamic leaders. (Compare that with about 1 million by Christians combatting the spread of Islam.) Inheriting the knowledge, science and wisdom of the Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian worlds, they conquered Europe, spreading from the East as far West as Vienna, from Africa as far North as France, and halfway up the Italian peninsula.

But since Islam is hostile to knowledge, they culturally stagnated, and were pushed back by Christian “Crusaders”. (Yes, the Crusades were a defensive war, called by Pope Urban in defense of Cosntantinople!) Islam collapsed into ignorance and poverty. Now, because of oil wealth, many Islamic nations are among the wealthiest in the world, yet their populations are overwhelmingly destitute; their ignorant leaders horde their wealth, afraid of developing a middle class or educating their people. Their brutal poverty is explained away as a chastisement by God, for failing to be willing to die in wars against Jews and Christians.

If ever there were a more miserable, accursed and evil people, they have been lost to history. And you would join these enemies of freedom, haters of enlightenment, and destroyers of civilization?


20 posted on 07/04/2008 3:25:17 AM PDT by dangus
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To: A Navy Vet

Better check to see if your bathtub is big enough to slaughter a goat in.


21 posted on 07/04/2008 3:30:01 AM PDT by Ronin (Is there some rule that says that when an evil man gets sick, we must pretend he was saint?)
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To: Westlander

This picture SCARES me. Imagine what it must do to their kids. No wonder their all INSANE.


22 posted on 07/04/2008 3:35:23 AM PDT by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: A Navy Vet

This is a joke right? RIGHT???

WHAT has happened to You?


23 posted on 07/04/2008 3:35:46 AM PDT by fivekid ( STOP THE WORLD!!!!! I wanna get off.........)
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To: dangus

Good summary.


24 posted on 07/04/2008 3:50:54 AM PDT by livius
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To: CarrotAndStick

sounds like a muzzi trap hope he gets a few


25 posted on 07/04/2008 3:52:21 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: Westlander
That “Converting to Islam” site is hilariously juvenile.

Any attempt at a right-click on the page brings out a forced confession, LOL!

26 posted on 07/04/2008 3:54:09 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: A Navy Vet

ROFL


27 posted on 07/04/2008 3:54:20 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: Westlander

That pic looks like Nazgul porn. : )


28 posted on 07/04/2008 3:56:49 AM PDT by ISonnet
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To: ISonnet

lol Nazgul porn! that’s funny


29 posted on 07/04/2008 3:58:28 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: A Navy Vet

This is funny, but I like the giant crab story better.


30 posted on 07/04/2008 4:00:29 AM PDT by Edgar3 (My SUV just ate your Pius)
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http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

“...Prophet of Doom is the best documented and most comprehensive presentation of the Islamic scriptures ever written. We have done for you what Muslims are afraid to do. We’ve taken the five earliest and most universally acclaimed Islamic sources (the Qur’an, Ishaq’s Sira or Biography of Muhammad, Tabari’s Ta’rikh or History of Islam’s Formation, and Bukhari’s and Muslim’s Topical Hadith Collections) and have put them all together in chronological order, setting them in the context of Muhammad’s life. In so doing, Muhammad’s motives become immediately transparent and his religion is quickly exposed as a complete fraud. This isn’t our opinion or our interpretation, it’s what the Islamic scriptures actually reveal...”


31 posted on 07/04/2008 4:03:30 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: A Navy Vet

Bored on the Forth of July?


32 posted on 07/04/2008 4:05:09 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: A Navy Vet

Get yourself a Bible and read the first chapter of John.


33 posted on 07/04/2008 4:09:34 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (In honor of my husband who served his country with honor. HLM July 21, 1935-July 08 ,2007)
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To: A Navy Vet

Islam: The religion of pieces, not peace.


34 posted on 07/04/2008 4:15:38 AM PDT by Proverbs 3-5
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To: Fred Nerks

That guy has put a lot of work into that. Depressing as all get out to read it though.


35 posted on 07/04/2008 4:30:33 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: A Navy Vet
YOU WANNA STUDY ISLAM? Well, here we go...

Genocide committed in the name of Allah: 3,000,000 Bangladeshi Hindus Killed during the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971. From 1894 to 1896 Abdul Hamid, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, killed 150,000 Armenian Christians. In India, Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur along with his disciples was burned to death by the Moghul ruler Aurangzeb in 1675. Another Sikh, Bhai Mati Das was sawn into right and left halves while he was still alive. In July 1974, 4,000 Christians living in Cyprus were killed by Fahri Koroturk, president of Turkey and his Islamic army. From 1843 to 1846 10,000 Assyrian Christians including women and children were massacred by the Muslims. From 1915 to 1918 750,000 Assyrians were killed in the name of Islamic Jihad. In 1933 thousands of Assyrian villagers were murdered by the Iraqi soldiers in Northern Iraq. Since 1990 more than 10,000 Kashmiri Hindus have been brutally murdered by Islamic fundamentalists. Over 280,000 Ugandans killed during the reign of Idi Amin from 1971 to 1979. Over 30,000 Mauritanians have been killed by the Islamic dictators since 1960. In 1980, 20,000 Syrians were murdered under the rule of Hafez Al-Assad, President of Syria. Since 1992 120,000 Algerians have been murdered by the Islamic fundamentalist army.

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

LOOK, NO HANDS!

LOOK, NO HANDS, NO FEET!

http://www.historyofjihad.com/?bl=commentary&alt=&trh=20050310&hn=17333

Why Mohammad chose Allah as the only deity in Islam?

Pre-Islamic Bedouin Arab society was highly matriarchal as is evident from the worship of many goddesses like Allat, Al Uzza, Mannat. But Arab society had strong patriarchal elements too, as evident in the naming tradition according to which every Arab is known by his father’s name, and not his mother’s.

Having lost his father, the posthumous orphan Mohammad wanted to perpetuate his father’s memory. His father’s name Abdallah was conjugated from Abd-Allah which translates as “Slave of Allah”. This is the reason why Mohammad chose Allah among the many pre-Islamic Arab deities to be the only deity to be worshipped by the Muslims! Not many historians have discerned this fact why it was allah who became the centerpiece of Islam and not any other pre-Islamic Arab male deity like Bēl, Bēl-Šamīn, Abgal, Aglibol, Wadd, and Yaghūth (the last two are in fact referred to in the Qur'an (71:23) as gods of the era of the Prophet Noah).

Even Baal (alternatively known as Hubal) who in fact was the most important deity in pre-Islamic Mecca, found no place in Islam. Only Allah survived in Mohammad’s Islam. So Allah did not choose Mohammad, it was the other way round. Mohammad chose Allah! Allah was chosen by Mohammad as his father was named after allah! Some historians identify Hubal and allah to be the same deity. But, to the best of our knowledge, no historians have discerned this fact why it was allah who became the centerpiece of Islam.

Mohammad’s Epileptic fits were behind his hallucinations that an angel spoke to him revealing the Quran

Mohammad was a paranoid ambitious genius who combined in himself the role of a military strategist, a psychologist, motivator and commander of men. With a harsh childhood in which he lost his parents, he grew to manhood earlier in life than most kids of his age. But the hardships that accompanied his growth from childhood to adolescence made him an epileptic. His epileptic fits were to play a pivotal role in his later life an create an hallucination that some god was talking to him

There is an occurrence in Mohammad’s life that is eloquent on this issue of his mental illness. Once, Mohammad and his foster brother were playing when Halima, his nurse was nursing him in the desert. Suddenly, the foster brother came running to Halima and said that Mohammad was sick. When they went out, they found a young Mohammad behind the bushes with his clothes turned up. It's possible that he was sexually assaulted; however, much later a legend was created partially by Mohammad himself that two angels in grey robe came and one split his chest open and took out the heart and removed a dark clot and then when they weighed him the whole universe weighed less than Mohammad!

The possibility that he was sexually assaulted (sodomized) in his childhood seems to have made him a bitter person and could have accentuated his mental illness, but in spite of this he showed uncanny ability to manipulate and get the results he wanted. In most probabilities, his mental illness could have been a wild form of paranoid schizophrenia.

In his later life, during his 'revelations' he groaned like a she-camel having a baby (which by the way is not a pleasant sound). He had directed his followers to cover him up with a black blanket whenever he suffered from the epileptic fits and that's why he carried this black blanket with him all the time. This narration is the kernel of historical truth that has come down through ages of Arab-Muslim folklore that grew around him...

HAVE ANOTHER RUM...IT'S FAR LESS HARMFUL THAN ISLAM!

36 posted on 07/04/2008 4:36:35 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: driftdiver
That guy has put a lot of work into that. Depressing as all get out to read it though.

Six years, IIRC. But it's ESSENTIAL reading IMO.

37 posted on 07/04/2008 4:38:50 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: A Navy Vet

I hope that you are jesting and not serious.

But if you are, well, buddy...you got a great life ahead of ya in hell. For eternity.

islam is of satan, the one who destroys and kills.


38 posted on 07/04/2008 4:39:14 AM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Maranatha!)
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To: A Navy Vet
Perhaps you could get into contact with John Walker Lindh?
39 posted on 07/04/2008 4:43:34 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: A Navy Vet

I pray to Jesus that you might find His Eternal peace.


40 posted on 07/04/2008 4:45:37 AM PDT by airborne (End the "open primary" system now!!! Only Republicans should vote in Republican primaries!)
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To: A Navy Vet
I live in Orange County, CA. Can you guide me to a local Mosque so I can hear and experience the wonderful teachings of Mohammed (Peace be upon him)?

Evidently the first step in moving over to the dark side is.... Learning to use a phone book.
41 posted on 07/04/2008 4:47:01 AM PDT by xmission (Democrats have killed our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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Are you prepared to shave your body hair from knees to navel, front and back? Will your wife be willing to assist with this? If not, this load of manure masquerading as a religion may not be for you.

This is only ONE of the many details personal behavior that Allah demands.

References for those who think this is just too bizarre to be true:

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=af83c110a53c1d489b4f3a40e6d41d15

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=7b750c137ab512728e13146355bbb526


42 posted on 07/04/2008 4:49:56 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: A Navy Vet

LOL. You are almost convincing. If your serious then do us all a favor and just kill yourself.


43 posted on 07/04/2008 4:51:58 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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let me know when you read tha part about cutting of the ‘infidels’ heads.

Just curious if you or your wife will be purchasing the Ginsu’s


44 posted on 07/04/2008 4:53:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: A Navy Vet

“... give my soul to Allah and his Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon Him)?”

Islam is strictly monotheistic, so you don’t give your soul to Mohammed (Pig Dung Be Upon him), just Allah (AKA Satan.)

While this may be a path to eternal life, I doubt you’ll enjoy the eternity; Too hot.

Good luck with your decision.


45 posted on 07/04/2008 4:54:52 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: A Navy Vet

http://grandoldpartisan.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/barack-obama.html
February 27, 2008
Barack Obama and the Muslim call to prayer

On this day in 2007, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.” In an interview with The New York Times, Senator Obama recited, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent,” the opening lines of this prayer:

“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... “


46 posted on 07/04/2008 4:58:02 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: DogBarkTree
... If your serious then do us all a favor and just kill yourself.

that's what I was thinking, but then he wouldn't qualify for the seventytwo raisins...

Scholars Scrutinize the Koran's Origin A Promise of Moist Virgins or Dried Fruit?.LINK.

...parts of Islam's holy book are derived from pre-existing Christian Aramaic texts that were misinterpreted by later Islamic scholars who prepared the editions of the Koran commonly read today.

So, for example, the virgins who are supposedly awaiting good Islamic martyrs as their reward in paradise are in reality "white raisins" of crystal clarity rather than fair maidens...

47 posted on 07/04/2008 5:06:44 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: A Navy Vet

48 posted on 07/04/2008 5:11:21 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (The world WILL be cleaner, safer and more productive without Islam.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Islam . . . .

Eze 7:11 Violence is risen up into a rod of wickedness: none of them shall remain, nor of their multitude, nor of any of theirs: neither shall there be wailing for them.

49 posted on 07/04/2008 5:12:31 AM PDT by freedom9
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To: A Navy Vet

FReep mail me and tell me if your serious or not.

Frankly, this doesn’t sound like the you I know.


50 posted on 07/04/2008 5:28:52 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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