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'Body Of Christ' Snatched From Church, Held Hostage By UCF Student (Catholic Caucus)
WFTV.com ^ | 7/5/2008 | n/a

Posted on 07/06/2008 9:43:53 AM PDT by Pyro7480

A University of Central Florida student, upset religious groups hold church services on public campuses, is holding hostage the Eucharist, an object so sacred to Catholics they call it the Body of Christ.

Church officials say UCF Student Senator Webster Cook was disruptive and disrespectful when he attended Mass held on campus Sunday June 29. It was during that Mass where Cook admits he obtained the Eucharist....

A church leader was watching, confronted Cook and tried to recover the sacred bread. Cook said she crossed the line and that's why he brought it home with him.

"She came up behind me, grabbed my wrist with her right hand, with her left hand grabbed my fingers and was trying to pry them open to get the Eucharist out of my hand," Cook said, adding she wouldn't immediately take her hands off him despite several requests....

"The church feels that I'm the problem here," Cook said. "The problem is actually that this is a publicly-funded religious institution. Through student government here, we fund them through an activity and service, so they're receiving student money."

Cook is upset more than $40,000 in student fees have been allocated to support religious organizations on campus for the 2008-2009 school year, according to student government records. He denied he is holding the Eucharist hostage to protest that support.

...Cook has been keeping the Eucharist stored in a plastic bag since last Sunday....

Cook said he'd consider returning the Eucharist if he gets an apology and a meeting with the Bishop's office to discuss the Diocese's policy on physical force....

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Just another reason why distribution of Communion in the hand AND by extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist needs to STOP NOW!

Angel's Prayer at Fatima

Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the Most Precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifference by which He is offended. And through the infinite merits of His Most Sacred Heart, and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I beg of Thee the conversion of poor sinners.

1 posted on 07/06/2008 9:43:54 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 07/06/2008 9:44:33 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480

Hate crime.


3 posted on 07/06/2008 9:45:33 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Pyro7480

expect very sizeable things to happen in this individual’s life.


4 posted on 07/06/2008 9:48:09 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (maybe apes evolved from people.)
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To: Pyro7480

This poor lost soul thinks he knows everything about life. Unfortunately, the body of Christ is about everlasting life and he has committed a sin.

May he see the error of his ways and return the Eucharist to where it belongs.


5 posted on 07/06/2008 9:48:59 AM PDT by Dacula (I never left the Republican party, they left me a long time ago.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
According to this link, he was in College Democrats. Big surprise...
6 posted on 07/06/2008 9:51:48 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480
o, i just realized it's florida. now it's making more sense.

florida is the spiritual sink-strainer of the US.

7 posted on 07/06/2008 9:52:03 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (maybe apes evolved from people.)
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To: Pyro7480
Cook said he'd consider returning the Eucharist if he gets an apology and a meeting with the Bishop's office to discuss the Diocese's policy on physical force.

OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

8 posted on 07/06/2008 9:53:35 AM PDT by Just Lori (There is nothing democrat"ic" about democrats.)
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To: Pyro7480

Yikes!
Lucky for her she did not do this at a Catholic Church as there are lil old ladies that watch for varments like her and would have blocked the doors and physically took The Body of Christ from her and any crumb that fell.


9 posted on 07/06/2008 9:55:45 AM PDT by Global2010 (OKIE DOKIE)
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To: Pyro7480

Jesus gave the disciples his body by hand at the last supper - the method is not the problem.
I have no doubt just like the Crucifixion, God will bring good out of this despicable act and evangelize people.


10 posted on 07/06/2008 9:57:18 AM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Pyro7480
That boy needs a Southern Baptist Exorcism:

That's when the Deacons take the possessed out in back of the church and BEAT THE DEVIL OUT OF HIM!
11 posted on 07/06/2008 9:58:57 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: the invisib1e hand

“florida is the spiritual sink-strainer of the US”

That is an incredibly ignorant comment. It’s quite the opposite - there are VERY strong faith communities here.


12 posted on 07/06/2008 10:00:00 AM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Pyro7480
What a horrible thing for that over-indulged brat to do!

> The Diocese is dispatching a nun to UCF's campus to oversee the next mass, protect the Eucharist and in hopes Cook will return it.

I'm studying to be a Catholic, so this might sound like a dumb couple of questions:

Wouldn't a couple of burly Priests be a more effective deterrent to a repeat offense?

And isn't it actually a Federal crime to disrupt a religious service in this matter in America? (I believe it is, and quite a serious one at that.)

13 posted on 07/06/2008 10:00:49 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

He is expecting a job in Obama’s Department of Education.


14 posted on 07/06/2008 10:01:22 AM PDT by reg45
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To: rjp2005

Aside from the fact that we’re talking about a sacred object here, how does this differ from any other theft and why isn’t this POS under arrest? And since someone tried to stop him and there was a struggle, doesn’t that elevate it to strong-arm robbery?


15 posted on 07/06/2008 10:02:56 AM PDT by beelzepug ("Where did the ferry money go? Enquiring minds want to know.")
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To: Pyro7480

Charge the person with theft and have him thrown in jail.


16 posted on 07/06/2008 10:03:18 AM PDT by Chewbacca (Ron Paul and if not him then Chuck Baldwin '08!)
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To: rjp2005
Jesus gave the disciples his body by hand at the last supper - the method is not the problem.

Where does it say in the Bible that Our Lord gave it to them in the hand. It just says gave it to them. It's uncertain. In any case, your forget the Apostles were the first bishops.

I disagree. The method IS part of the problem.

17 posted on 07/06/2008 10:04:26 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480

I’m not Catholic, I’m not even Christian; but to me this is an outrage.


18 posted on 07/06/2008 10:04:44 AM PDT by reg45
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To: rjp2005
That is an incredibly ignorant comment.

Right. The sort of ignorance based upon a half a lifetime of experience.

It’s quite the opposite - there are VERY strong faith communities here.

Yeah, like Cassadaga. Ask the locals what they do in the cow pastures on Friday nights.

Two words for your "strong spiritual communities": Terry Schiavo.

19 posted on 07/06/2008 10:06:24 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (maybe apes evolved from people.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
DieHard,

Those aren't dumb questions at all. The fact that they're sending a nun does make it seem like they're not treating this matter seriously enough.

And you're right, it is a federal crime to disrupt a religious service. I don't know how often they prosecute though.

20 posted on 07/06/2008 10:06:25 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: the invisib1e hand
florida is the spiritual sink-strainer of the US.

Sorry, California has that position locked up!

21 posted on 07/06/2008 10:15:52 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: Pyro7480

Disruption of a religious service is a crime and the diocese should not be reluctant in demanding that this be prosecuted.


22 posted on 07/06/2008 10:22:25 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: P-Marlowe
This is the crossroad where the eucharist meets idolatry.

Maybe you didn't notice, but this is a Catholic Caucus thread.

24 posted on 07/06/2008 10:36:37 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Pyro7480

I do not know where you attend church. However, my parish consists of 3,500 registered families. Plus, we are located in a Winter resort area, and our church attendance increases by 35% during the cooler months.

At every Mass, of which there are 6 each weekend, our church is standing room only. We have ONE priest in our parish, and at each Mass we have 15 Eucharistic Ministers to assist that ONE priest in distributing Communion under both species.

Now, please explain to me how that ONE priest is going to distribute Communion under both species to approximately 1,200 attendees at each Mass. Are you proposing that we go back to the old days when very few received Communion under only one species?

The problem here is not the millions of Catholics in the US who attend Mass each week and receive Communion. It is one nut case in Florida. The solution to this nut case is simply to ignore him. Do not meet with him. Do not even attempt to retrieve the Host. Jesus Christ has suffered far greater indignities, and He will surely survive this one. Leave it to God to judge this person’s behavior.


26 posted on 07/06/2008 10:41:47 AM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: Pyro7480

You know, there used to be some guys who would be about retirement age now, and who may or may not have Italian-American last names, whose Old Country religious tradition would lead them to regard this thing as a serious act of disrespect.


27 posted on 07/06/2008 10:49:10 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Bible toting, bitter and armed with slashing sarcasm.)
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To: mkjessup

I believe I am on firm ground in stating that Southern Baptists, like most other mainstream Protestant denominations, do not believe in doctrine of transubstantiation. Consequently, the communion wafer remains a wafer.

(In saying this, I am implying in no way whatsoever that the gentleman still doesn’t deserve an energetic, thorough, and memorable “counseling” session concerning the proper handling of the consecrated host.)


28 posted on 07/06/2008 10:50:23 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
re: sending a Nun:

If they send Sister Elizabeth Worley, the CFO of the Diocese, the poor Eucharist-stealing SOB doesn't stand a chance.

She is an “Old School” nun.

I live in Orlando, I'm not even Catholic and I know about Sister Elizabeth!

29 posted on 07/06/2008 10:51:14 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: CdMGuy
Leave it to God to judge this person’s behavior.

If, as appears likely, this guy has committed a crime, I want him to do the max!

30 posted on 07/06/2008 10:51:28 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: CdMGuy
Now, please explain to me how that ONE priest is going to distribute Communion under both species to approximately 1,200 attendees at each Mass. Are you proposing that we go back to the old days when very few received Communion under only one species?

There's no need to receive the Precious Blood in that species in that instance. The Host, as St. Thomas Aquinas teaches, contains the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ in its entirety. Also, are you saying there's no deacon at your parish to assist?

The solution to this nut case is simply to ignore him. Do not meet with him. Do not even attempt to retrieve the Host. Jesus Christ has suffered far greater indignities, and He will surely survive this one. Leave it to God to judge this person’s behavior.

You have that first part wrong. If you ignore it, you open yourself up to lots of others doing it.

31 posted on 07/06/2008 10:53:24 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480

See #29.

Trust me, I love her, but every time I see Sister Elizabeth, my knuckles hurt in memory.


32 posted on 07/06/2008 10:53:26 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

... It’s only business.....


33 posted on 07/06/2008 10:54:38 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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Had he tried something like this in a Mosque, he would have been killed and we would be expected to "understand" why he had to be killed.

As it stands, he is simply an intolerant little twerp.

34 posted on 07/06/2008 11:00:01 AM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: Pyro7480

This is clearly a hate crime, although nothing will be done about it.


35 posted on 07/06/2008 11:06:58 AM PDT by BinaryBoy
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Nevertheless, my post stands.

Nope!

36 posted on 07/06/2008 11:08:55 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: the invisib1e hand

All of Florida is like DeLand, huh?

Randall and the Schindlers were also Floridians, were they not?

Glass half full my friend.


37 posted on 07/06/2008 11:20:24 AM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Pyro7480

If Webster Cook wants to impress me he should go to Mecca and act up.


38 posted on 07/06/2008 11:23:31 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Pyro7480

And what have today’s Apostles said on the matter - both forms (recieved with reverance) are acceptable.


39 posted on 07/06/2008 11:24:20 AM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Just Lori
Cook said he'd consider returning the Eucharist if he gets an apology and a meeting with the Bishop's office to discuss the Diocese's policy on physical force.

Believers of a more...peaceful religion would have slowly sawed his head off.

40 posted on 07/06/2008 11:25:37 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: MindBender26; DieHard the Hunter

I was raised Catholic. I’m now a Baptist.

When I was a kid a lot of old nuns were nick-named “Sister Mary Agony,” and not without reason!


41 posted on 07/06/2008 11:27:41 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Captain Rhino

Agree 100 percent with you! :)


42 posted on 07/06/2008 11:30:22 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Grizzled Bear

This absolutely sounds like hate crime. Imagine what would happen if some Catholic students disrupted a muslim ceremony. The outcry would be deafening. They would screaming for justice.


43 posted on 07/06/2008 11:36:43 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: DieHard the Hunter

It all depends on whether or not the nun is one of those yardstick wielding 1960s Dominican style nuns who used to teach my father in elementary school. (He still has flashbacks)


44 posted on 07/06/2008 11:37:13 AM PDT by BaBaStooey ("Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light." Ephesians 5:14)
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To: Pyro7480; DieHard the Hunter
The fact that they're sending a nun does make it seem like they're not treating this matter seriously enough.

Unless they use academia's own "weapons" against them. What would happen if the Nun were a "protected minority" and this little punk started trouble with her?

45 posted on 07/06/2008 11:38:35 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Pyro7480

My boot would be apologizing to his ass. He needs to be expelled pronto.


46 posted on 07/06/2008 11:38:58 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: CdMGuy
Now, please explain to me how that ONE priest is going to distribute Communion under both species to approximately 1,200 attendees at each Mass. Are you proposing that we go back to the old days when very few received Communion under only one species?

Just wondering -- how many of those 1,200 would you estimate are in a proper state of grace to receive Communion? Were there 1,200 people in line for the confessional yesterday? Perhaps the the single priest would be capable of distributing Communion to those who are eligible to receive it? Just wondering.

47 posted on 07/06/2008 11:42:46 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Pyro7480

This is a link to the UCF Board of Trustees contact page

http://bot.ucf.edu/contact.html


48 posted on 07/06/2008 11:46:01 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Pyro7480
Cook is upset more than $40,000 in student fees have been allocated to support religious organizations on campus for the 2008-2009 school year, according to student government records. He denied he is holding the Eucharist hostage to protest that support....Cook has been keeping the Eucharist stored in a plastic bag since last Sunday....

Just one comment and then I'm back to lurking. There was a somewhat similar incident four years ago: Tabernacle stolen from West Va. church

"This is an extreme violation of the basis of our entire Catholic faith," Larry Prunty, who serves as chairman of the parish council, said Monday. "Without the tabernacle, our church is empty. They have taken the body of Christ from our church."

49 posted on 07/06/2008 11:51:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: Pyro7480

This is a Christophobic hate crime and the perpetrator should be prosecuted on a hate crime charge. What’s good for the right is good for the left...


50 posted on 07/06/2008 11:58:34 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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