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Catholics and Obama
NCR ^ | July 13, 2008

Posted on 07/09/2008 6:21:59 AM PDT by NYer

We understand Barack Obama’s appeal. It’s almost impossible not to like him. Like his tireless supporter Oprah Winfrey, he has an air about him that exudes candor and sincerity and real concern. And those things aren’t insignificant.

In history, the direction of America has been changed by political leaders who have strong personalities that make their mark on the country: the noble Washington, Honest Abe, the sunny Ronald Reagan.

The difference, of course, is that the political leaders who changed the direction of the culture are men who share the nation’s founding principles and stick to them.

Douglas Kmiec, a Pepperdine University professor who made his name in the Reagan administration, at the University of Notre Dame and as dean of The Catholic University of America law school, says Obama is such a person, and so is supporting him for president.

He calls him a person of “integrity, intelligence and genuine good will” who “as best as it is humanly possible” will “respect and accommodate” those who disagree with him.

But Obama doesn’t just disagree with certain opponents. His record fundamentally disagrees with the nation’s founding principles.

The best summing up of the nation’s founding principles is in the Declaration of Independence itself: “We hold that all men are created equal … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights … among these are life ...”

Obama’s votes have him on record as believing that some people don’t have the right to life — not just the unborn, but those in the process of being born (he supports partial-birth abortion) and those who have been born accidentally during an abortion (he has helped preserve the practice of “live-birth abortion” ever since he was in the Illinois Legislature).

He also doesn’t think that alert but brain-damaged people like Terri Schiavo have the right to life — he calls voting to protect her the biggest mistake he made in the Senate.

Kmiec says that Obama isn’t pro-abortion because he doesn’t actively promote abortion, but only allows for women to choose it.

That’s not true. Obama doesn’t just want abortion to be a choice. He wants all Americans to pay for abortions, whether we choose to or not.

A President Obama would bring us the Freedom of Choice Act, a bill that if enacted would prevent any federal, state or local government entity from restricting access to abortion. It would strike down virtually every state law on abortion.

The stated aim of this legislation is to “end the abortion wars,” by allowing abortion-on-demand in all nine months of pregnancy for any reason and without any restrictions nationwide.

This would eradicate state and federal laws that the majority of Americans support — such as requirements that licensed physicians perform abortions, fully-informed consent, and parental involvement — and prevent states from enacting similar protective measures in the future.

An addition, President Obama would also bring us:

• federally funded embryonic stem-cell research, fatal experiments on the tiniest human beings.

• federally funded clone-and-kill research,

• federally funded abortion on demand,

• taxpayer-funded abortion in military hospitals,

• U.S. taxpayer-funded international abortions disguised as aid, and

• taxpayer-funded nationalized health care, which in other countries has meant bureaucrats determine that limited resources go where they can do “the most good.”

So the system will simply refuse to cover high-risk pregnancies or humane end-of-life care for the elderly and the dying.

Kmiec has said that abortion isn’t necessarily the preeminent issue of our day, because there are other evils to deal with.

The U.S. bishops have given us three reasons why abortion must especially be opposed.

First, because it is intrinsically evil, and thus must “always be rejected and opposed and must never be supported or condoned.” State-sponsored killing is an intrinsic evil that outranks nearly everything else.

Second, the right to life is “the most fundamental human good and the condition for all others.”

Third, “A legal system that violates the basic right to life on the grounds of choice is fundamentally flawed.”

We understand why someone would want to support Obama. He’s a likeable guy. And the alternative, John McCain, can seem less likeable and more in the mold of Washington politics as usual.

But in this case, actions speak louder than words. There are many positions of McCain’s that Catholics will disagree with. But he does have a 100% pro-life voting record, one he has sustained over a long career.

Americans used to know the lesson by heart: Don’t be sweet-talked by politicians who seem wonderful but reject what your nation stands for. We would dearly love for Obama to change to be that politician. That would be change we could believe in.


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; mccain; obama

1 posted on 07/09/2008 6:21:59 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
From the CUF blog:


Infanticide, the Next Frontier">Infanticide, the Next Frontier

By Leon Suprenant | July 7, 2008

Last week Deal Hudson wrote a disturbing piece on Barack Obama’s permissive stance toward infanticide. Click here for the entire text.

Senator Obama’s position on this issue, a position opposed even by the most liberal elements of his party, including California Senator Barbara Boxer, is to date the most extreme anti-life position espoused by a serious candidate for the presidency.

 While all murder is murder, the Catechism singles out infanticide as an “especially grave crime” (no. 2268).

This again brings me back to the question I posed here several months ago: What could possibly constitute a “proportionate reason” that would morally justify a vote for Senator Obama?

2 posted on 07/09/2008 6:25:56 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
I just want to DITTO your remarks. However, It seems that these days "social justice" (whatever that is) trumps abortion, infanticide, and gay marriage as the defining issue among many orthodox, evangelicals, fundamentalists and Catholics.
3 posted on 07/09/2008 6:36:54 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: NYer

Unbelievable Kmiec was dean of a Catholic university. Any body who is the least bit religious cannot possible support a candidate who has zero regard for human life.
Thou shall not kill.
Please vote in November - Thanks!


4 posted on 07/09/2008 6:37:40 AM PDT by mouse1
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To: NYer

“The stated aim of this legislation is to “end the abortion wars,” by allowing abortion-on-demand in all nine months of pregnancy for any reason and without any restrictions nationwide.’

That makes me feel ill.


5 posted on 07/09/2008 6:45:58 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: NYer
It’s almost impossible not to like him.

Stopped reading there.

6 posted on 07/09/2008 6:48:48 AM PDT by smokinleroy (How come gas prices spiked only AFTER the democrats won Congress?)
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To: smokinleroy
It’s almost impossible not to like him.

Stopped reading there.

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Good for you! (of course that means that you didn't find out why the author, in a well-reasoned argument, thinks Obama is pretty much a dirt bag - but hey, look at the cool post you got to make.)

7 posted on 07/09/2008 6:54:59 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: mouse1

“Any body who is the least bit religious cannot possible support a candidate who has zero regard for human life.”
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I dare say that most Obama supporters are religious people.


8 posted on 07/09/2008 6:56:12 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: NYer
We understand Barack Obama’s appeal. It’s almost impossible not to like him. Like his tireless supporter Oprah Winfrey, he has an air about him that exudes candor and sincerity and real concern. And those things aren’t insignificant

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I have to disagree with this entire paragraph.

That being said, I'm voting for McCain.

McCain's Voting Record

Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)

Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)

Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)

Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)

Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)

Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)

Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)

Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)

Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)

9 posted on 07/09/2008 6:56:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

An Obama-Rezko primer: Who is Tony Rezko?

A: Antoin “Tony” Rezko is a millionaire Chicago businessman who has long helped young politicians raise money and make connections. Raised in Syria, he moved to Chicago to study engineering but wound up making money in real estate and fast food. He is now on trial in federal court on mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering and attempted extortion charges.


10 posted on 07/09/2008 6:57:54 AM PDT by IrishMike (Obama stands for change. He wants to change the subject.)
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To: Russ
However, It seems that these days "social justice" (whatever that is) trumps abortion, infanticide, and gay marriage as the defining issue among many orthodox, evangelicals, fundamentalists and Catholics.

When a candidate for public office is wrong on abortion, he or she cannot be right on the other issues.
Fr. Frank Pavone
Director, Priests for Life
December 5th, 2007

It really is that simple. Evil loves to sow seeds of uncertainty through confusion. In my entire life, I have never seen so much coverage of an election ... ever! The masses watch CNN, FOX, MSNBC and all the other msm, discussing and weighing a multitude of factors. The primary decision must be based on life because it effects this and future generations.

11 posted on 07/09/2008 7:45:48 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
We understand Barack Obama’s appeal.

Speak for yourself, whoever you are.

12 posted on 07/09/2008 7:59:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. You shed your skin, too!)
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To: NYer

He does disagree with the founding principals or principles of the country. He needs to equate himself with the events and the hows and whys of writing our Declaration of Independence and writing the Constitution.


13 posted on 07/09/2008 8:01:47 AM PDT by tob2 (Vote for McCain!)
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To: NYer

I couldn’t agree more!


14 posted on 07/09/2008 8:05:57 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: NYer; antonius

15 posted on 07/09/2008 8:43:16 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
It’s almost impossible not to like him.

I haven't found it at all difficult not to like Obama.

16 posted on 07/09/2008 9:27:43 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: John Leland 1789
I dare say that most Obama supporters are religious people.

Yep. . .but it isn't God they're worshipping.

17 posted on 07/09/2008 9:28:47 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: wtc911

I think that was intended to be a rhetorical comment.


18 posted on 07/09/2008 9:30:06 AM PDT by ducdriver (Quantum potes tantum aude.)
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To: NYer
This again brings me back to the question I posed here several months ago: What could possibly constitute a “proportionate reason” that would morally justify a vote for Senator Obama?

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Excellent question that every one claiming to be a Christian should ask themselves.

Some of us on FR have asked this in posts many times.

No one who calls himself or herself a good Christian and that includes Armstrong Williams and most certainly J C Watts could sanely, possibly aid and abet the murder of defenseless humans.

19 posted on 07/09/2008 9:33:41 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: NYer
I think the article, since it is directed at Catholics, misses a serious point.

Because of Obama's past votes on the sanctity of life issues, I find it to be a serious sin to vote or support The Obama for President.

20 posted on 07/09/2008 10:01:53 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Russ
"It seems that these days "social justice" (whatever that is) trumps abortion, infanticide, and gay marriage as the defining issue among many orthodox, evangelicals, fundamentalists and Catholics. "

They are also concerned with protecting life after a birth. From what I've seen, they are more interested in helping the poor projects than in abortion and gay marriage protests. It is, what it is.

21 posted on 07/09/2008 10:20:18 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: wtc911

I find him completely unlikeable and downright creepy. But apparently many people think he’s just the coolest thing in the universe. This article is a message to them.

That said, with the bishops, the Democratic Party platform usually trumps Church teaching any day, so I’m not expecting to see a lot of teaching on this.


22 posted on 07/09/2008 1:25:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer
Catholics and Obama
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record
Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide
The Battle for Catholic Voters

New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]

More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....
NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after
Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)

Catholics Debate Obama Vote
US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]
Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?
DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

23 posted on 07/10/2008 9:38:57 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: topher

**Because of Obama’s past votes on the sanctity of life issues, I find it to be a serious sin to vote or support The Obama for President.**

And it is!


24 posted on 07/10/2008 9:40:33 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: topher
enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

25 posted on 07/10/2008 9:41:59 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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