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Posted on 07/09/2008 6:21:59 AM PDT by NYer
We understand Barack Obamas appeal. Its almost impossible not to like him. Like his tireless supporter Oprah Winfrey, he has an air about him that exudes candor and sincerity and real concern. And those things arent insignificant.
In history, the direction of America has been changed by political leaders who have strong personalities that make their mark on the country: the noble Washington, Honest Abe, the sunny Ronald Reagan.
The difference, of course, is that the political leaders who changed the direction of the culture are men who share the nations founding principles and stick to them.
Douglas Kmiec, a Pepperdine University professor who made his name in the Reagan administration, at the University of Notre Dame and as dean of The Catholic University of America law school, says Obama is such a person, and so is supporting him for president.
He calls him a person of integrity, intelligence and genuine good will who as best as it is humanly possible will respect and accommodate those who disagree with him.
But Obama doesnt just disagree with certain opponents. His record fundamentally disagrees with the nations founding principles.
The best summing up of the nations founding principles is in the Declaration of Independence itself: We hold that all men are created equal endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights among these are life ...
Obamas votes have him on record as believing that some people dont have the right to life not just the unborn, but those in the process of being born (he supports partial-birth abortion) and those who have been born accidentally during an abortion (he has helped preserve the practice of live-birth abortion ever since he was in the Illinois Legislature).
He also doesnt think that alert but brain-damaged people like Terri Schiavo have the right to life he calls voting to protect her the biggest mistake he made in the Senate.
Kmiec says that Obama isnt pro-abortion because he doesnt actively promote abortion, but only allows for women to choose it.
Thats not true. Obama doesnt just want abortion to be a choice. He wants all Americans to pay for abortions, whether we choose to or not.
A President Obama would bring us the Freedom of Choice Act, a bill that if enacted would prevent any federal, state or local government entity from restricting access to abortion. It would strike down virtually every state law on abortion.
The stated aim of this legislation is to end the abortion wars, by allowing abortion-on-demand in all nine months of pregnancy for any reason and without any restrictions nationwide.
This would eradicate state and federal laws that the majority of Americans support such as requirements that licensed physicians perform abortions, fully-informed consent, and parental involvement and prevent states from enacting similar protective measures in the future.
An addition, President Obama would also bring us:
federally funded embryonic stem-cell research, fatal experiments on the tiniest human beings.
federally funded clone-and-kill research,
federally funded abortion on demand,
taxpayer-funded abortion in military hospitals,
U.S. taxpayer-funded international abortions disguised as aid, and
taxpayer-funded nationalized health care, which in other countries has meant bureaucrats determine that limited resources go where they can do the most good.
So the system will simply refuse to cover high-risk pregnancies or humane end-of-life care for the elderly and the dying.
Kmiec has said that abortion isnt necessarily the preeminent issue of our day, because there are other evils to deal with.
The U.S. bishops have given us three reasons why abortion must especially be opposed.
First, because it is intrinsically evil, and thus must always be rejected and opposed and must never be supported or condoned. State-sponsored killing is an intrinsic evil that outranks nearly everything else.
Second, the right to life is the most fundamental human good and the condition for all others.
Third, A legal system that violates the basic right to life on the grounds of choice is fundamentally flawed.
We understand why someone would want to support Obama. Hes a likeable guy. And the alternative, John McCain, can seem less likeable and more in the mold of Washington politics as usual.
But in this case, actions speak louder than words. There are many positions of McCains that Catholics will disagree with. But he does have a 100% pro-life voting record, one he has sustained over a long career.
Americans used to know the lesson by heart: Dont be sweet-talked by politicians who seem wonderful but reject what your nation stands for. We would dearly love for Obama to change to be that politician. That would be change we could believe in.
By Leon Suprenant | July 7, 2008
Last week Deal Hudson wrote a disturbing piece on Barack Obama’s permissive stance toward infanticide. Click here for the entire text.
Senator Obama’s position on this issue, a position opposed even by the most liberal elements of his party, including California Senator Barbara Boxer, is to date the most extreme anti-life position espoused by a serious candidate for the presidency.
While all murder is murder, the Catechism singles out infanticide as an “especially grave crime” (no. 2268).
This again brings me back to the question I posed here several months ago: What could possibly constitute a “proportionate reason” that would morally justify a vote for Senator Obama?
Unbelievable Kmiec was dean of a Catholic university. Any body who is the least bit religious cannot possible support a candidate who has zero regard for human life.
Thou shall not kill.
Please vote in November - Thanks!
“The stated aim of this legislation is to end the abortion wars, by allowing abortion-on-demand in all nine months of pregnancy for any reason and without any restrictions nationwide.’
That makes me feel ill.
Stopped reading there.
Stopped reading there.
Good for you! (of course that means that you didn't find out why the author, in a well-reasoned argument, thinks Obama is pretty much a dirt bag - but hey, look at the cool post you got to make.)
“Any body who is the least bit religious cannot possible support a candidate who has zero regard for human life.”
I dare say that most Obama supporters are religious people.
I have to disagree with this entire paragraph.
That being said, I'm voting for McCain.
McCain's Voting Record
Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
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When a candidate for public office is wrong on abortion, he or she cannot be right on the other issues.
Fr. Frank Pavone
Director, Priests for Life
December 5th, 2007
It really is that simple. Evil loves to sow seeds of uncertainty through confusion. In my entire life, I have never seen so much coverage of an election ... ever! The masses watch CNN, FOX, MSNBC and all the other msm, discussing and weighing a multitude of factors. The primary decision must be based on life because it effects this and future generations.
Speak for yourself, whoever you are.
He does disagree with the founding principals or principles of the country. He needs to equate himself with the events and the hows and whys of writing our Declaration of Independence and writing the Constitution.
I couldn’t agree more!
I haven't found it at all difficult not to like Obama.
Yep. . .but it isn't God they're worshipping.
I think that was intended to be a rhetorical comment.
Excellent question that every one claiming to be a Christian should ask themselves.
Some of us on FR have asked this in posts many times.
No one who calls himself or herself a good Christian and that includes Armstrong Williams and most certainly J C Watts could sanely, possibly aid and abet the murder of defenseless humans.
Because of Obama's past votes on the sanctity of life issues, I find it to be a serious sin to vote or support The Obama for President.
They are also concerned with protecting life after a birth. From what I've seen, they are more interested in helping the poor projects than in abortion and gay marriage protests. It is, what it is.
I find him completely unlikeable and downright creepy. But apparently many people think he’s just the coolest thing in the universe. This article is a message to them.
That said, with the bishops, the Democratic Party platform usually trumps Church teaching any day, so I’m not expecting to see a lot of teaching on this.
New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obamas Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]
More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....
NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops
McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: Catholic Vote is very sought after
Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)
Catholics Debate Obama Vote
US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]
Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?
DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On Roman Catholics For Obama
How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops
**Because of Obama’s past votes on the sanctity of life issues, I find it to be a serious sin to vote or support The Obama for President.**
And it is!
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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent