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Revelations of Heaven & Hell to 7 (Colombian) Youths [OPEN]

Posted on 07/11/2008 6:06:59 AM PDT by Quix

The international ministry "Light for the Nations" presents: Revelations of Heaven and Hell to 7 Youths Together as a group, these 7 Columbian youths were taken by Jesus Christ and shown Heaven and Hell. Hear their account of the Glories of Heaven and misery of Hell. Due to the recording, we could only record 6 testimonies, Originally transcribed from Spanish Audio, Illustrations/Pictures were added later, and were not part of the testimony, Translation help by Claudia Alejandra Elguezabal -Heaven- [ Video]

--Hell—[translations listed at the link]


--- (1st Testimony, Esau) ---

2 Corinthians 12:2 : I know a man in Christ who 14 years ago - whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God know- was caught up as far as the third heaven.

We were in the room, when we had the first experience. The room started to fill again with a light from the presence of the Lord. It was so powerful that it lit up the entire room. The room was full of His glory, it was beautiful to be before Him.

Jesus told us, "My sons, now I will show you My Kingdom, we will go to my Glory." We took each others hands and were lifted up. I looked down and noticed that we were going out of our own bodies. As we left our bodies we were dressed with white robes and started to go up at a very high speed.

We arrived in front of a pair of doors which was the entrance to the Kingdom of Heaven. We were astonished at what was happening to us. Thankfully, Jesus the Son of God was there with us, along with two angels who each had four wings.

The angels began to talk to us, but we didn't understand what they were saying. Their language was very different from ours, neither was it like any Earthly language. These angels were welcoming us and they opened those immense doors. We saw a wonderful place, with many different things. When we came inside, a perfect peace filled our hearts. The Bible tells us that God would give us peace that surpasses all human understanding (Philippians 4:7)

The first thing I saw was a deer, so I asked one of my friends, "Sandra, are you looking at the same thing I am looking at?" She was no longer crying or shouting anymore, as when we were shown Hell. She was smiling and said: "Yes Esau, I am looking at a deer!" Then I knew that everything was real, we were really in the Kingdom of Heaven. All the horrors that we saw in Hell were soon forgotten. We were there enjoying the glory of God. We went to where the deer was, behind it stood an absolutely huge tree! It was in the center of the paradise.

The Bibles tells us in Revelation 2:7 "Whoever has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. I will grant the victor to eat from the tree of life that stands in the paradise of God"

This tree is a symbol of Jesus, because Christ is Eternal Life. Behind the tree was a river of crystalline water. It was so clear and beautiful, like we never had seen before on Earth. We just wanted to stay in that place. Many times we said to the Lord, "Lord please! Do not take us out of this place! We want to be here forever! We don't want to go back to Earth!" The Lord answered us, "It is necessary that you go back to give testimony of all the things that I have prepared for those who love Me because I am coming back very soon and my reward is with Me."

When we saw the river, we hurried there and got inside of it. We remembered the scripture that says that whoever believes in the Lord, from his belly shall run rivers of living water. (John 7:38) The water from this river seemed to have life in itself, so we immersed ourselves in it. Inside and outside of the water we could breath normally. That river was very deep and there were many different colors of fish swimming in it. The light inside and out of the river was normal; in Heaven light did not come from a specific source, everything was just brightly lit up. The Bible tells us that the Lord Jesus is the light of that city (Revelations 21:23). With our hands, we took some of the fish out of the water; they didn't die. So we ran to the Lord and asked Him why. The Lord smiled and answered that in Heaven there is no more death, no more crying, and no more pain. (Revelations 21:4)

We left the river and ran to every place we could find, we wanted to touch and experience everything. We wanted to bring everything back home with us, because we were so amazed at the things in Heaven. They simply cannot be explained sufficiently with words. When the Apostle Paul was taken to Heaven, he saw things that he could never explain with words, because of the greatness of the things in the Kingdom of Heaven. (2 Corinthians 12) There are things we saw that we have almost no way of describing.

We then came to a very immense area; a very wonderful and beautiful place. This place was full of precious stones: gold, emeralds, rubies and diamonds. The floor was made of pure gold. We then went to a place where there were three very large books. The first one was a Bible made of gold. In Psalms it tells us that the Word of God is eternal and that the Word of God remains in Heaven forever. (Psalms 119:89) We were looking at a huge golden Bible; the pages, the scripture, everything was made of pure gold.

The second book we saw was bigger than the Bible. It was open and an angel was sitting there writing inside the book. Together with the Lord Jesus we got closer to see what the angel was writing. The angel was writing all of the things that were happening on the Earth. Everything that has happened; including the date, the hour, everything is recorded there. This is done so the Word of the Lord can be fulfilled where it says that the Books were opened, and that the people on the Earth were judged according to their works that were written in those books (Revelations 20:12). The angel was writing all the things that people were doing here on Earth, good or bad, as it is written.

We continued to the place where the third book was. It was even bigger than the last book! The book was closed, but we got closer to it. All seven of us together took the book down from its stand, according to command of the Lord, and we put it on a pillar.

The pillars and columns in Heaven are so wonderful! They are not made like the ones on the Earth. The columns were like a braid, they were made of different precious stones. Some were made of diamonds, others were made of pure emeralds, others were made of pure gold, and others were made of a combination of many different type of stones. I then understand that God really is the owner of all things, as it is written in Haggai 2:8, "The gold is mine, and silver is mine." I understood that God is absolutely rich and He owns all the riches in the world. I also understood that the world in all its fullness belongs to our God, and He wants to give it to all those who ask in faith.

The Lord said, "Ask me and I will give you the nations for an inheritance." (Psalms 2:8) This book that we put on the column was so big that in order to turn a page we had to walk each page to the other side of the book. We tried to read what was in that book, as the Lord asked us. At first, it was difficult to read because it was written in strange characters that we could not understand. It was different from any Earthly language; it was something totally Heavenly. But with the help of the Holy Ghost, we were given the grace to understand it. It was like a bandage was taken off our eyes and we could then understand the writing; as clear as our own language.

We could see that all seven of our names were written in the book. The Lord told us that it was the Book of Life. (Revelations 3:5) We noted that the names written in the book were not the names we were called on Earth; these names were new, so the Word of God can be fulfilled when it says that He would give us a new name that no one else knows but the person who receives it. (Revelations 2:17)

In Heaven, we were able to pronounce our names, but once the Lord brought us back to Earth those names were taken from our memories and our hearts. The Word of God is eternal, and it has to be fulfilled. My friends, the Bible says, (Revelations 3:11) Don't let anyone take your crown, do not let any one to usurp or remove that place that the Father has ready for you. In Heaven, there are millions of things that are wonderful, we just can't express it with our mouths. But I want to tell you something, "God is waiting for you!" However it is only the people that perseveres until the end, who will be saved! (Mark 13:13)


--- (2nd Testimony, Ariel) ---

When we started to go up to the Kingdom of Heaven, we came to a beautiful place with precious doors. In front of the doors were two angels. They started to talk, but their speech was angelical and we could not understand what they were saying. But the Holy Ghost gave us understanding. They were welcoming us. The Lord Jesus put His hands on the doors and they opened. If Jesus were not with us, we would never have been able to come inside Heaven.

We began to appreciate everything in Heaven. We saw a huge tree, the Bible describes this tree as the "Tree of Life." (Revelation 2:7) We went to a river, and saw a lot of fish inside. Everything was so amazing that my friends and I decided to go inside the water. We began to swim under that water. We saw the fish moving around and they caressed our bodies. They didn't swim away as normally happens on Earth; the presence of the Lord calmed the fish. The fish could trust us because they knew that we were not going to harm them. I was so blessed and marveled that I grabbed one of the fish and took it out of the water. What was so amazing was that the fish was very quiet enjoying the presence of the Lord even in my hands. I put the fish back into the water.

I could see in the distance that there were white horses in Heaven, as it is written in the word of God in Revelation 19:11. "Then I saw heaven open and a white horse appeared. Its rider is called Faithful and True; justly He Judges and wages war." Those horses were the ones that the Lord will use when He comes to the Earth to take His people, His church. I walked to the horses and began to pat them. The Lord followed me and allowed me to ride one of them.

When I started to ride, I felt something that I had never felt before on Earth. I began to experience the peace, the freedom, the love, the holiness that a person can have in that beautiful place. I started to enjoy everything that my eyes could see. I just wanted to enjoy everything in that beautiful paradise that the Lord has prepared for us.

We also could see the wedding banquet table, everything was already served. It had no beginning or end. We saw the chairs prepared for us. There was also crowns of eternal life that are ready to be taken by us. We saw delicious foods that are already set, for all of those that will be invited to the Wedding of the Lamb.

Angels where there with some white cloth for the cloaks that the Lord is preparing for us. I was amazed looking at all these things. The Word of God tells us that we have to receive that Kingdom of God like little children. (Mathew 18:3) When we were in Heaven we were like children. We started to enjoy everything there; the flowers, the residences... the Lord even allowed us to go inside the residences.

Then God took us to a place that had many children. The Lord was in the middle of them and He started to play with them. He made sure to spend enough time with each of them and He enjoyed being with them. We got close to the Lord and asked Him, "Lord are these children the ones who are going to be born on Earth?". The Lord answered, "No, these children are the ones who were aborted on the Earth". Upon hearing that, I felt something inside of me that made me shake.

I remembered something I had done in the past, when I did not know the Lord. At that time, I was in a relationship with a woman and she got pregnant. When she told me she was pregnant, I did not know what to do so I asked her for some time to make a decision. Time passed and when I went to her to tell my decision, it was already too late because she already had an abortion. That marked my life. Even after I accepted the Lord in my heart, that abortion was something that I could not forgive myself of. But God did something that day, He allowed me to enter that place and told me, "Ariel, do you see that girl that is there? That girl is your daughter." When He told me that, I saw the girl, I felt the wound, I had in my soul for such long time, started to heal. The Lord allowed me to walk close to her and she got close to me. I took her in my hands and saw her eyes. One word I heard from her lips, "Daddy". I understood and I felt that God had mercy on me and had forgiven me, but I had to learn to forgive myself.

Dear friend, whoever reads this, I want to tell you one thing. God has already forgiven your sins, now you have to learn to forgive yourself. I give thanks to God for allowing me to share this testimony with you. Lord Jesus Christ I give you the honor and glory! This testimony is of the Lord, He allowed us to receive this revelation. I hope that each one of our brothers that reads this testimony shall receive also the blessing of this testimony and take it to bless many others.

God bless you.


--- (3rd Testimony) ---

(Revelations 21:4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

When we arrived, these big doors were opened for us, and I started to see a valley full of flowers. The flowers were beautiful and their smell was exquisite. We started to walk and experience a total freedom like we had never felt on the Earth. We felt a peace that filled our hearts and while we looked at the flowers we noticed that they were unique; each petal was different, genuine, and had a unique color.

Inside my heart, I said to my Lord that I wanted to have a flower like one of these. The Lord gave an expression of agreement, I got close to a flower and started to pull it. But nothing happened, I could not pull the flower out of the ground. I couldn't even pull the petals or leaves off of the flower. Then the Lord broke the silence and said, "Here everything must be done in love." He touched the flower and it surrendered itself to the hand of the Lord. He then gave it to us. We continued walking and the smell from the flowers was still with us.

We arrived at a place with a set of very beautiful doors. These doors were not simple, they were very ornate in their craftsmanship and had precious stones engraved on them. The doors opened and we entered into a room with many people. Everybody was running here and there making preparations. Some of them carried rolls of shining white cloth over their shoulders, others were carrying spindles of golden thread, and yet others were taking some kind of plates with something like shields inside them. Everyone was running with effort.

We asked the Lord why there was so much effort and hurry. Then Lord bid a young man to come close. This man had a roll of cloth on his shoulders. He came and looked at the Lord, reverently. When the Lord asked him why he was carrying that roll of cloth, he just looked at the Lord and said, "Lord you know what this cloth is for! This cloth is used to make the robes of the redeemed, the robes for the great Bride." Upon hearing this, we felt a great joy and peace. Revelation 19:8 tells us: "And it has been granted to her to be dressed in pure, resplendent linen. For the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints."

When we came out of that place we felt even more peace, because it was beautiful to see that the Lord Himself was making something nice for us. He has the place and the time for you because you are important to Him. When we came out of that place, our eyes got lost in every detail in Heaven. It's like each thing had life in itself, and every object there was giving glory to God.

Then we came to a place where there were millions and millions of children, of all ages. When they saw the Lord, all of them wanted to hug Him, to feel more of His love, because He was their passion. Jesus was the passion of each child there. We felt like crying after seeing how the Lord spoiled each one of these children, how He kissed them and held their hands.

We saw how angels got close to the Lord, bringing Him babies wrapped in linen. The Lord caressed, touched, and gave them a kiss on their foreheads and then the angels took them back with them. We asked the Lord why there were so many children there, were those children going to be sent to the Earth. The Lord sounded touched for a moment, and He said, "No, these children will not be sent to the Earth! These are the ones that were aborted on the Earth, whose parents don't want to have them. These are my children and I love them." I nodded my head, and even my voice trembled to ask the Lord such a question.

When I didn't know the Lord, the true Life that He is, I made mistakes and sinned like everybody else. Among those sins was an abortion I had. There was a moment where I had to be face to face with the Lord and ask Him, "Lord, is the baby I aborted, long ago, here?". The Lord answered, "Yes." I started walking to one of the sides and I saw a beautiful little boy. Close to his feet stood an angel. The angel was looking at the Lord, and the boy had his back facing us.

The Lord told me, "Look, there is your boy." I wanted to see him so I ran over to him, but the angel stopped me with his hand. He showed me that I had to listen to the boy first. I started to hear what the little boy was saying. He was talking and looking in the direction of the other children. He asked the angel, "Are my daddy and my mommy coming here soon?" The angel, looking at me, answered to him, "Yes, your daddy and your mommy are just about to come."

I do not know why I was given the privilege of hearing these words, but in my heart I knew that these words were the best gift that the Lord could give to me. This little one was not talking with anger, or pain, maybe knowing that we did not let him be born. He was simply waiting with the love that God had placed in his heart.

We continued walking, but I kept the image of that boy in my heart. I know that each day I have to make an effort to be able to be with him one day. I have one more reason to go there, because someone is waiting for me in the Kingdom of Heaven. The Word of God tells us in Isaiah 65:19, "I too will rejoice over Jerusalem and Will delight in My people. No more will there be heard in her the voice of weeping or the voice of crying."

We came to a place with some small mountains, and the Lord Jesus came dancing. In front of Him was a crowd of people dressed in white robes and they lifted their hands with green olive branches. When they waved the branches in the air, they released oil. God has great things prepared for you! Now is the time for you to put your heart before Him.

God bless you.


--- (4th Testimony) ---

In the Kingdom of Heaven, we saw wonderful things as it is written in the Word of God, 1 Corinthians 2:9, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, neither has the human heart thought of what God has prepared for those who love Him."

When we arrived at the Kingdom of Heaven it was so spectacular and wonderful to see so many things; so many big things and to feel the glory of the Lord. It was so special; a place with lots of children. We could say that there were millions of children in that place.

We saw children of different ages, Heaven was divided into sections. We saw some kind of baby-house that sheltered kids aged 2-4. We also noticed that the children in the Kingdom of Heaven grow up and there was a school where the children are taught the Word of God. The teachers are angels and they teach the children worship songs and how to glorify the Lord Jesus.

When the Lord arrived, we could see the immense joy of our King. Even though we could not see His face, we could see His smile, it filled the entire place. When He arrived, all the children ran to Him! In the middle of all those children, we could see Mary, the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ on Earth. She was a beautiful woman. We did not see her on a throne and neither was anyone worshiping her. She was there as one of the other women in heaven, like all other people on Earth she had to win her salvation. She had a white robe and a golden belt around her waist, and her hair reached down to her waist.

On Earth, we have listened to many people as they worship Mary as the mother of Jesus, but I want to tell you that the Word of God says, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6) The only entrance to the Kingdom of Heaven is Jesus of Nazareth.

We also noticed there was no Sun or Moon. The Word of God tells us in Revelation 22:5 "And night shall be no more; they will need neither lamplight nor sunlight, for the Lord God will be their light, and they shall reign for ever and ever."

We could see the glory of God. We find it difficult to explain the horrors we saw in hell, but it is even more difficult to try to explain the celestial things we saw and the perfection of our Maker. When we were there, the wanted to run and see everything. We could lay down on the grass, and we could feel the glory of God. That soft whistle; that soft wind that caressed our faces, it was something wonderful.

In the middle of the sky, we could see a huge cross made of pure gold. We believe that this was not a symbol of idolatry but more like a symbol showing that through the death of Jesus on the cross, we have entrance to the Kingdom of Heaven.

We continued walking in Heaven. It was fascinating to walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. There we could know for sure, who is the God that we are serving...Jesus of Nazareth. Many of us on Earth think there is a God up there, just waiting for us to commit a sin, so He can punish us and send us to hell. But that is not reality. We could see the other face of Jesus, a Jesus that is a friend; a Jesus that cries when you cry. Jesus is a God of love, compassion and mercy; He takes us in His hands to help us continue in the way of salvation.

The Lord Jesus also allowed us to meet a person from the Bible. We meet King David, the King David mentioned in the scriptures. He was a good looking man, tall and his face reflected the Glory of God. The whole time we were in the Kingdom of Heaven, the only thing that King David did was dance, dance, dance and give all the glory and the honor to God.

To those who are reading this testimony, I want to tell you that in the Word of God is says in Revelations 21:27 "But nothing unclean nor anyone practicing immorality and falsehood shall ever enter it, but only those whose names have been recorded in the Lamb's Book of Life." And I also want to tell you that only the brave ones take hold of the Kingdom of Heaven.

God Bless you.


--- (5th Testimony) ---

(2 Corinthians 5:10) For we must all appear before the tribunal of Christ, so that each may receive as his due what he practiced while in the body, whether good or bad

In the Kingdom of Heaven, we could see the New Jerusalem which the Bible tells us about in John 14:2, "In My Father's house are many dwelling places. If this were not so, I would have told you. For I am going away to prepare a place for you." We could see the city and enter it; it is a real and wonderful city! Jesus went there to prepare those dwelling places for us.

In the city and we could see that each residences or house had the owner's name written in front of the house. This city is not yet inhabited, but it is ready for us. We were allowed to go inside the houses and see all the things inside. But later when we left the city, we forgot the things we saw, those memories were taken away from us. However, we can remember that the columns of the houses are plated with precious metals and have many different types of precious stones encrusted in them. They also have pure gold in them.

The gold of this city is like the Bible describes; it is almost transparent, and so shiny. The gold on Earth can not be compared in luster and beauty to the gold that is in Heaven.

After this, we were taken to a place that had lots of containers. Inside those containers were crystallized tears. Those were the tears that the sons of God shed on the Earth. They were not tears of complaints, but tears that people shed when they are in the presence of God; tears of repentance, tears of gratitude. God keeps these tears as a precious treasure in Heaven, just like it is mentioned in Psalms 56:8, "Thou takest note of my roaming; and put my tears into Thy bottle; are they not in Thy book?"

We also came to a place where many many angels were. Although in Heaven we could see many different types of angels, this place had just one special type. We saw that Jesus, has a specific angel for each person. He also showed us that this angel will be close to us during our entire existence. He introduced us to the angels assigned to us. We got to see their characteristics, but God told us that we are not allowed to reveal these things to others. We read in Psalms 91:11, "For He gives His angels orders regarding you, to protect you wherever you go."

We came to a place with many lockers, within them were many different flowers. Some flowers were open, beautiful and radiant. But other were kind of droopy, and some others ones were even shriveled. We asked Jesus what the meaning of all those flowers were? He answered, "It is because the life of each of you is like one of these flowers." He took one of the radiant flowers and said, "This flower shows the condition of the communion that you have with Me." He left that flower and took another one that was down. He said, "Look, this person is down because they are having a trial, or a difficulty. There is something in this life that is interrupting the communion with Me. Do you know what I do with these flowers when they are down in order to make them brilliant and healthy again?" He then took the flower in His hand and said, "I shed my tears over them and I raise them up." We saw how in a powerful way this flower began to have life again and raise up and its colors began to appear again.

Then He took one of the shriveled flowers and He threw it into the fire and said, "Look, this person had known me and walked away from Me. Now he dies without me and it is thrown to the fire." (John 15:5-6)

When we left there, we saw a beautiful castle very far in the distance. Nobody dared to get close to that castle, and we believe that is what the Scriptures talk about in Revelation 22:1, "He then showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing forth from the throne of God and of the Lamb." We believe that the castle was probably located near the presence and throne of God.

While experiencing all these things in the Kingdom of Heaven, we had so much joy in our hearts, we had a peace that passes all understanding. (Philippians 4:7) We understood as it is written in 1 Peter 1:4, "to an inheritance imperishable , unsullied, and unfading that is kept safely in heaven for you."


--- (6th Testimony) ---

(Luke 22:30) "that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will be seated on thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel."

In that marvelous place, God allowed us to see the most beautiful reception hall that we ever thought could exist anywhere in the universe. We saw a giant throne with two chairs in pure gold and precious stones that do not exist on Earth. In front of the giant throne was a table that had no end, on it was white tablecloth. It was so white that we couldn't compare it to anything on Earth.

All manner of exquisite and refined foods was set on the table. We saw grapes the size of oranges, and the Lord Jesus Christ let us taste some of them. We still can remember their taste, it was something so wonderful! My brother and friend, you can't imagine all the things that are ready in the Kingdom of Heaven and what God has already prepared for you. (1 Corinthians 2:9)

Also on the table, God allowed us to see the bread, the "Manna". This was the bread of God that the Scriptures tells us about. We were allowed to enjoy the taste along with many other wonderful things that don't even exist on Earth.

These things are waiting for us as our incorruptible inheritance in the Kingdom of Heaven. We will enjoy some amazingly exquisite and delicious foods when we inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. We were amazed that the chairs were set on both sides of the table. These beautiful chairs had names written on each one. We could read clearly our names on those chairs, but our names were not the same ones that we have here on Earth. They were the new names that nobody else knew but ourselves. (Revelations 2:17)

What was written in the Word of God surprised us, "Do not rejoice that the demons submit to you, rejoice because your names are written in the Heaven." (Luke 10:20) There were a lot of chairs! There is enough space for all of those who want to come to the Kingdom of Heaven. There were also chairs that were taken away from the table. That means that there are men and women who got tired of serving God, and their names were erased from the Book of Life and they are set away from the Wedding Supper of the Lamb.

God also allowed us to see men from the Bible, the wonderful saints that we read about in Scriptures. We were surprised to see Abraham. Abraham was an elder, but not in his body or his appearance. He was an elder by the wisdom that he had. Abraham's hair was totally white, but each hair was like glass filaments or diamond filaments. What surprised us the most was that he was even younger than we are. In Heaven, all of us will rejuvenate and be young. We were also surprised by his words. Abraham told us something that we will never forget. He welcomed us to the Kingdom of Heaven and told us that soon we would be in that place, because the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is approaching quickly.

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This one rings true, to me, as well as Jesse Duplantis' and Baxter's visits do.

There's a wealth of such visitations at the parent website homepage:

The 7 youths visit to hell is extremely sobering. The Calvinists would likely rail at it but I find it quite Biblical and sobering. It's available here:

Choo Thomas' visit is discussed here:

Where she notes that she's been told that less than 10% of Christians are ready for The Rapture.

The END TIMES VISION of a girl named Unity from India is available here:

Many other visitations and visions are available at the homepage. Quite a resource. Impressive.

Blessings, Quix

1 posted on 07/11/2008 6:07:01 AM PDT by Quix
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Please let MarySecretary, Joya and I know if you want on or off the list.

Blessed be the Name of The Lord

2 posted on 07/11/2008 6:09:20 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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3 posted on 07/11/2008 6:16:05 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Quix
Before we can have a serious debate about what Heaven is like you will have to first forget everything Hollywood taught you about Heaven.

Harps, white robes, and never-ending worship services represent many believers perception of Heaven, because that is what movies, cartoons, and paintings have showed us what it is like. On the other hand, many without Christ think Hell is going to be one big party. Both perceptions are dead wrong, and not even close to reality.

The Heaven John wrote about in the Bible is so full of wonders and mysteries that in our wildest dreams we could not imagine it. Certainly Heaven contains many surprises which we will never be able to comprehend in this life. And it will not be boring.
Think back to the one single best day of your whole life. Maybe it was your wedding, the birth of your child, your first trip to Disneyland, the anniversary cruise with your spouse, whatever. Now imagine each day in Heaven being that multiplied 100-fold, and the number of those days will be endless. That is what I firmly believe Heaven will be like. Is it no wonder the Creator of it will be worshiped by all the heavenly host?

I heard it said once that, - “as a Christian, the day I die will be the best day I’ve ever lived. But it won’t be the best I will ever live.”

4 posted on 07/11/2008 6:35:04 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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Well put.

The 7 youths visit to hell is the most horrific I’ve ever read.

I loved the part about the heavenly visit where they got out in the River of Life and one picked up a fish that was quite comfortable with being picked up.


5 posted on 07/11/2008 6:40:29 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: NavyCanDo

All these visions make heaven seems so contained - wall, and gates, rooms in mansions, etc. To me heaven means the total lack of walls and gaits - complete freedom.

6 posted on 07/11/2008 6:47:35 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Quix
But the Lord Jesus didn't want to look at him. Jesus simply turned his back on him.

This is not the Jesus I know.

7 posted on 07/11/2008 6:55:08 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Quix

Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but the picture of the youths shows that four of the seven are young ladies. Would the group really have been referred to as “My sons” by our Lord?

8 posted on 07/11/2008 6:56:25 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: DManA
“All these visions make heaven seems so contained - wall, and gates, rooms in mansions, etc. To me heaven means the total lack of walls and gaits - complete freedom.”

Its hard for us mortal man to envision the massiveness of Heaven. You will not feel contained, I can assure you. Also remember that God also promised to Create a New Earth. There will be animals, there will be lakes, streams, mountains, forest, the new Eden.

9 posted on 07/11/2008 6:56:25 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: DManA

Christ Himself indicated He was going to prepare MANSIONS.

You can construe that to be ethereal nothingness, if you wish.

I’ll take Him at His Word.

10 posted on 07/11/2008 7:10:30 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: DManA

So, your reality is that anytime Jesus makes a tour-guiding trip into Hell,




Doesn’t sound Biblical, to me.

11 posted on 07/11/2008 7:11:23 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Ol' Sox

I wasn’t there.

Quibble away.

I haven’t felt very successful at trying to read 100% of Jesus’ mind or intent.

12 posted on 07/11/2008 7:12:34 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: NavyCanDo
Yes, that is why these "vision" stories seem contrived to me.

Its hard for us mortal man to envision the massiveness of Heaven. You will not feel contained, I can assure you.

13 posted on 07/11/2008 7:16:33 AM PDT by DManA
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To: NavyCanDo


When Jesse was on his 5 hour visit to Heaven . . . he was noting the similarities . . . mountains, streams, snow even though it wasn’t cold . . .

And Abraham or the angel noted that earth was made according to God’s tastes, too.

It’s just that Heaven is perfect. Earth is not.

One character—a retired missionary to the Amazon then 80 years old . . . had prayed 7 years to be able to visit Heaven and come back and tell about it.

Claimed to have spent 7.5 earth days in Heaven. Claimed it was a sphere a million miles in diameter IIRC, the landscape was on the inside of the sphere with God in the center. Haven’t read any confirmation of that. But it was an interesing narrative. Haven’t been able to track it down and I loaned someone my tapes and lost track of both the person and the tapes.

It will be WONDERFUL AND BEYOND WONDERFUL. That’s good enough for me.

Just to be with Jesus wherever is enough.

14 posted on 07/11/2008 7:16:33 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: DManA

I never read of any such visits where the visitors felt at all contained.

The expansiveness of Heaven is frequently mentioned.

Methinks your assumptions are flawed.

15 posted on 07/11/2008 7:17:40 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: DManA

As a psychologist who’s listened to thousands of hours of narration about personal life experiences . . .

the visitation narratives do NOT sound contrived to me, at all.

Certainly you can claim to be a better psychologist than I am.

16 posted on 07/11/2008 7:18:42 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Quix

I’ve been directed to “quibble”, as have you. The Bereans were deemed noble for they examined the scriptures to see if what PAUL said was true, so should we to see if what the Columbian youths say is true. Just following orders, Quix. It is too dangerous to accept everything extra-biblical attributed to our Lord at face value.

17 posted on 07/11/2008 7:22:12 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: Quix
Luke 16:27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

How do you reconcile this with the jesus of the stories who command the kids to warn the world?

18 posted on 07/11/2008 7:26:03 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Sounds like your assumption is that God


change the rules in the END TIMES.

The Scriptures referred to a particular case which could have had those parameters for any number of reasons.

Putting God in a tidy little box has never worked well for me.

Enjoy the try. . . . though it strikes me as more than a bit . . . cheeky to imagine the loftiness to be able to do that.

19 posted on 07/11/2008 7:32:21 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Ol' Sox

I’m all for checking things out with Scripture and with Holy Spirit.

I’m not for beng blindly stubbornly resistent to whatever God may be trying to communicate to me by WHATEVER route.

He’s God. I’m not.

20 posted on 07/11/2008 7:33:19 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Quix

My assumption is that God’s nature is constant and he reveals his nature through Scripture (and nature). And my advice is if someone tells you to ignore the Bible and listen to me, turn on your heals and run to the hills.

21 posted on 07/11/2008 7:39:48 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

None of them have said ignore the Bible and listen to them.


I gather you’ve never had a prophetic dream or vision.

22 posted on 07/11/2008 7:54:13 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: NavyCanDo
never-ending worship services

That is what I think heaven will be like. 'When we've been there 10,000 years, bright shining as the sun, we've no less days to sing His praise than when we'd first begun'. Not quite scripture, but a great picture.

23 posted on 07/11/2008 7:59:32 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Persona non grata in my own 'happy place'.)
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To: Quix

Thank you so much for the ping, dear brother in Christ!

24 posted on 07/11/2008 8:00:00 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

And you for your kind words . . .

Someone was remarking to me . . . a very old timer . . .

that a lot of the fun has . . . gone . . . that so many people hereon are so chronically and so forcefully angry virtually all the time over the least little thing.

I thought it was just what I triggered toward me on my typical threads.

Is he right? Has that been a significant change hereon generally speaking? Sad, if so. Very sad.

25 posted on 07/11/2008 8:04:48 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Quix
You told me you reconcile Jesus’ story in the Bible with the testimony of these kids by saying he changed “the rules”. I say I trust His teaching over the testimony of strangers.

I have a feeling that I once had a prescient dream but it was about something pretty prosaic. This may just be a trick of my mind.

Also, always in the back of my mind I was afraid I'd have to be with my Dad when he died. That fear became fact when he died of brain aneurysm while we were out skiing.

26 posted on 07/11/2008 8:05:23 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Quix
Would you agree that a major “stumbling block” that Jesus Christ taught about is our pre conceived notions?
27 posted on 07/11/2008 8:09:22 AM PDT by marbren
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To: DManA

Of course I trust His Teachings over everything else.

I don’t necessarily trust my tidy boxed


His teachings, however.

Holy Spirit is the Best Interpreter of His Teachings.

I found your construction on reality took some leaps of logic that the Bible didn’t include in that specific instance.

28 posted on 07/11/2008 8:13:02 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: marbren


Preconceived bias halo effects are very hazardous.

That’s one reason I’ve chronically put puzzle pieces on the shelves waiting multiple confirmations . . . or God pulling them off and confirming in some vivid way.

29 posted on 07/11/2008 8:13:56 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Quix

Would You agree that a main reason the pharisees rejected Jesus is because he did not match their assumtions and preconceived notions?

30 posted on 07/11/2008 8:19:01 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Quix

The aborted children testimony was truly moving. Thanks for the ping

31 posted on 07/11/2008 8:21:46 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Quix
I don't think there has been any significant difference. The pendulum swings along with the articles of interest, news, etc. The one whose ox is getting gored today may be offended. But tomorrow it will be someone else's ox and he will be offended.
32 posted on 07/11/2008 8:21:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix
I am profoundly skeptical of stories like this. The bit about John Lennon being in hell clangs like a klaxon waring me this is not from God. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Either way it's none of our business.

These so called revelations that don't conflict with biblical teaching add nothing of relevance to our understand of God's nature. As Jesus taught, if his Holy Spirit can't convince someone, lurid tales of hell surely won't. He want’s people to come to him out of love, not out of fear.

33 posted on 07/11/2008 8:23:40 AM PDT by DManA
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To: marbren


34 posted on 07/11/2008 8:26:58 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: marbren

And, entirely confirming of Jesse Duplantis’

5.5 earth hour Heavenly visit and what he saw and was told regarding aborted babies.

Jesus told him that Jesus didn’t lose a single one.

35 posted on 07/11/2008 8:27:47 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: marbren

Further, that given the shortness until the end of history as we have known it . . .

that some of the kids own mothers would be teaching them in Heaven.

36 posted on 07/11/2008 8:28:27 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Alamo-Girl

Makes sense.

I guess I’m the resident court ox gorer?


37 posted on 07/11/2008 8:29:11 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: DManA

Feel free to walk on by unedified.

I never claimed mileage didn’t vary.

Such narratives have persistently strengthened my relationship with God over the years.

38 posted on 07/11/2008 8:30:25 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: DManA

Sure the ideal is Love.

However, He’d like folks to miss hell and make Heaven home by any Biblical means at all.






Dear Heart


39 posted on 07/11/2008 8:31:47 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Quix

The song Amazing Grace has a neat verse about fear

40 posted on 07/11/2008 8:33:36 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Quix

What’s a Columbian? Do you mean Colombian?

41 posted on 07/11/2008 8:34:36 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: Quix

The meaning of the word “fear” has drifted over the centuries.

42 posted on 07/11/2008 8:37:14 AM PDT by DManA
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To: marbren



43 posted on 07/11/2008 8:46:27 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

I likely just copied it from that website.

I’m not a great spellllur

44 posted on 07/11/2008 8:47:14 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: DManA

Substitute reverential awe, then.

Regardless, Bible greats

were in FEAR when confronted merely with angels.

The prophet saw The Lord High and Lifted up . . . and concluded he was a man of unclean lips . . .

45 posted on 07/11/2008 8:48:29 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Quix

I am in awe of the fact that I am like a mote between His thumb and fore finger and could snuff me out of existence on a whim. I do not fear that He will do this because He has tought me He loves me.

46 posted on 07/11/2008 8:51:12 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Sounds like a good Biblical perspective, to me.

47 posted on 07/11/2008 8:52:29 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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To: Quix


48 posted on 07/11/2008 9:26:21 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl


Would rather be the

Court Jester.

Though plenty already see me as the Court Clown.

errrrr . . .

The Court Kook.


49 posted on 07/11/2008 9:36:57 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW
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