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Cappaphobia: mental disorder afflicting progressive Catholics (Catholic Caucus)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 07/10/2008 | Gerald Warner

Posted on 07/11/2008 9:48:15 AM PDT by Pyro7480

The stress of modern life is generating new kinds of mental illness, sometimes taking the form of irrational fear of certain objects. The latest example is an obscure disorder called cappaphobia. It is caused by cappa magna choralis and chiefly targets the elderly, many of whom may already be suffering from dementia.

I first came across this clinical condition when shown a samizdat publication issued by a beleaguered group of progressive Catholics from an address in King Street Cloisters, which atmospherically evokes a huddled catacomb. A letter to the editor began: "Seeing Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos vested in a cappa magna in Westminster Cathedral was a chilling experience."

An accompanying photograph, without even the health warning "May contain some flash vestments", illustrated the offending garment, a long train of scarlet moire silk being worn by Cardinal Castrillon at the celebration of the Tridentine Mass in Westminster Cathedral on June 14. The acute allergic reaction this vesture produces among cappaphobics should not be underestimated....

Jerusalem should be avoided, since the Latin Patriarch uniquely retains the ermined cappa. World Youth Day is likewise off limits since it is hosted by the Archbishop of Sydney, Cardinal Pell, who flaunted a six-yard cappa at the last gathering....

A letter from another cappaphobe the following week, in the same publication, observed: "It would be interesting to know if the silk cappa magna worn by the cardinal could be sold for the poor in accordance with Jesus' instruction." There is a slight error in exegesis here. Jesus said, "The poor you have always with you"; the apostle who raised the bolshie question about selling the expensive balm with which Our Lord was being anointed was Judas Iscariot.

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George Cardinal Pell, Archbishop of Sydney, processing in cappa magna at the 2005 World Youth Day festivities in Cologne.
1 posted on 07/11/2008 9:48:16 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 07/11/2008 9:49:37 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480
I like it!

The fact that it gets the liberal CINOs' undergarments in a twist is just an extra feature.

3 posted on 07/11/2008 9:54:39 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Pyro7480

Ha! That’s nothing compared to some that I’ve seen.


4 posted on 07/11/2008 9:57:30 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pyro7480; AnAmericanMother

Hee-hee-hee! Anything that gets under the liberal red-diaper “progressive” CINOs is just fine with me!


5 posted on 07/11/2008 10:01:18 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA ("When I was a boy, America was a better place" - Dennis Prager)
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To: Pyro7480

I’m Catholic, but that picture looks like it should have come out of a Monty Python skit.


6 posted on 07/11/2008 10:04:39 AM PDT by The Cajun
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To: trisham

What, phobias or cappa magnas?


7 posted on 07/11/2008 10:06:40 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: The Cajun
Dappled Photos: The Cappa Magna
8 posted on 07/11/2008 10:07:54 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480
LOL! Cappas and other forms of religious dress. For example:


9 posted on 07/11/2008 10:10:11 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pyro7480

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10 posted on 07/11/2008 10:11:45 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Vote Cthulhu! Why choose the lesser evil?)
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To: Pyro7480

What an amazing collection of historical photos. Thanks!


11 posted on 07/11/2008 10:12:55 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pyro7480
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The Cappa Magna

The cappa magna (literally, "great cape") is a voluminous ecclesiastical garment with a long train, proper to cardinals, bishops, and certain other honorary prelates. No longer mandatory (and therefore rare), the cappa magna was never abolished and still appears in the Ceremonial of Bishops. Ordinarily scarlet for cardinals and purple for bishops, the garment dates to the first millennium and its train has varied in length over the ages. Traditionally, one can distinguish between the normal (or "summer") cappa magna, and the "winter" version, which has the upper portion covered in white fur. The latest regulations abolished the winter version, although the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem still uses it (supposedly because of delicate rules that forbid him from changing anything since the last treaties were signed with the famously contentious other Christians of the Holy Land).

The following are photos I've found or scanned here and there. If you have other good images of Roman Catholic usage of the cappa magna, do send them along.


His Beatitude, Michel Sabbah, Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, in the winter cappa magna, flanked by priests of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre, of which he is the Grand Prior.



The Patriarch of Jerusalem again.


Monsignor Raymond Burke, Archbishop of St Louis, in the cappa magna.


Raymond Burke, at the time Bishop of LaCrosse, processes wearing the cappa magna.


Another shot of Bishop Burke, with the train of the cappa magna extending into the sanctuary.


George Cardinal Pell, Archbishop of Sydney, processing in cappa magna at the 2005 World Youth Day festivities in Cologne.


Monsignor Roger Foys, the Bishop of Covington, Kentucky, at a graduation ceremony.


Karol Wojtyla, the future Pope John Paul II, in cappa magna as Archbishop of Krakow.


Angelo Cardinal Roncalli, Patriarch of Venice and future Pope John XXIII, in a fine winter cappa magna. Note the little black tails on the ermine of the cappa.


Good Pope John XXIII enthroned, flanked by two Cardinals in the winter cappa magna.


The Cardinals process inside the Cathedral of San Giovanni in Laterano to make their public obedience to the new Pope John XXIII. Notice the trains of the cappe.


One the left, a photograph of the Cardinals making their obedience to Pope John, immediately after his election, in the Sistine Chapel. Notice the folded canopies (baldachini) over the cardinals' thrones. On the right, the same in 1939 for Pius XII. During the conclave, all the Cardinals are equal and therefore were entitled to a baldachino above their thrones. When one of their number is elected Pope, he becomes the superior in dignity and the other cardinals' canopies were then folded shut.


Eminences at a consistory. The Cardinals are wearing the winter cappa magna. Notice the Carmelite Cardinal with a different color scheme: in the old days religious-order prelates had distinct choir vesture.


Princes of the Church sit swathed in their cappe magne during the one of the Requiem Masses for Pope Pius XII. Notice, also, the enormous size of the papal catafalque and the great quantity of candles.


Giovanni Battista Montini, Archbishop of Milan, during a penitential procession along the city streets in mourning for the failed anti-Communist coup in Hungary. The penitential character of the procession calls into play the rare rubric for the cappa's hood to be worn on the head. The archbishop is accompanied by canons of the Metropolitan Chapter of Milan. They are wearing folded cappe magne with ermine, a privilege dating back to the Middle Ages, and wearing pectoral crosses with gems, a privilege granted them by Pope Pius XI.


Three fantastic photographs of Angelo Roncalli, kindly sent in by The Far Sight. As the blog author pointed out, in the first of the photos you can clearly see the difference between the plain silk cappa magna of the Archbishop of Marseilles and Archbishop Roncalli's watered silk cappa, to which he was entitled as Papal Nuncio to France.


Emmanuel Cardinal Suhard, the Archbishop of Paris, with Marshal Petain.


Cardinal Palazzini, in biretta and winter cappa magna at a pontifical celebration in the Old Rite. Gricigliano,1993.


Bishop Mve from Gabon, Africa, photographed in the 1990s wearing the cappa magna.


Pope Pius XI on his throne at the Lateran, Cardinal Pompilj, Cardinal-Vicar of Rome in folded cappa magna at the Pope's right. Behind them Monsignor (later Cardinal) Cacci-Dominioni, Maggiordomo of His Holiness. Early 1930s.


A newly-created cardinal kneels before the Pope at St Peter's in the Vatican. In this great shot, you can see the train of the cappa flowing down the steps. The Pope imposes the cardinal's galero on his head, covered with the cappa's hood. Circa 1960.


Pope Paul VI enthroned, flanked by the Cardinal Deacons (Ottaviani, De Jorio & ?) in their cappe magne. On the Pope's right is Prince Colonna, Prince-assistant to the Pontifical Throne, andon his left Archbishop Enrico Dante, papal Master of Ceremonies.


Two excellent photos of Richard Cardinal Cushing of Boston. Notice that in the second photograph, although he's identified as "Cardinal," you can tell that he is in fact still just an archbishop by the tuft on his biretta and the fact that the biretta and cappa are not watered silk.


Alfons Cardinal Stickler entering the seminary at Gricigliano in the cappa magna.


The Archbishop of Salzburg, in procession, with another bishop following him.


Jorge Cardinal Medina Estévez in cappa magna (and capello Romano!) at Gricigliano. In case you haven't noticed, the Institute of Christ the King has a knack for getting clerics and laymen to dress up.


Dom Fernando Rifan, bishop of the Old-Rite Apostolic Administration of Campos, Brazil, wearing the winter cappa.


Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli in the winter cappa magna (notice the ermine piece that covers the upper body) as Archpriest of St Peter's in the Vatican.


Pope Pius XII in the Sistine Chapel, immediately after his election. The two Cardinals Deacons flanking him, Cardinals Canali and Caccia-Dominioni, are wearing folded winter cappe magne.


Giuseppe Cardinal Siri, Archbishop of Genoa, descending stairs in a cappa magna. Cardinal Siri was long a favorite papabile of the conservatives.


Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, in Brazil for the consecration of Monsignor Fernando Rifan.


His Eminence Dennis Cardinal Dougherty, Archbishop of Philadelphia, wearing the cappa magna. Two papal knights escort him.


Pope Pius XII places the galero on the head of a new cardinal, at the Public Concistory of 1953. The kneeling cardinal is wearing the cappa magna with its hood covering his head. Holding the galero is Monsignor enrico Dante, master of Ceremonies. On the Pope's right is Archbishop Diego Venini, Secret Elemosinary. In black, behind the book is Archbishop Peter-Canisius van Lierde, "Monsignor Sacristano" (Papal Vicar) of the Vatican City, traditionally an Augustinian canon. Kneeling is Monsignor Cocchetti wearing a mantellone.


Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli in procession as Apostolic Nuncio to Germany, between the World Wars.


An old print of Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, Archbishop of Westminster, and the head of the English hierarchy, which had been restored in 1850. The cardinal is wearing the winter cappa magna, with its ermine upper piece.


Francis Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York and Vicar of the U.S. Military, wearing the winter cappa magna in the first photo. In procession with the summer cappa in the second photo.


Samuel Cardinal Stritch, Archbishop of Chicago.


Pedro Cardinal Segura y Sáenz, wrapped in a cappa magna. He was Cardinal-Archbishop of Sevilla and a bit of a thorn in the side of General Francisco Franco, with whom he is here pictured.


Blessed Ildefonso Schuster, 20th-century Cardinal Archbishop of Milan. Over top of his cappa magna, he's wearing the insigna of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre.


Another shot of Cardinal Schuster.


Archbishop Michael Hannan of Halifax, Canada. I'm really liking the ermine with the little tails and everything.


Cardinal Koenig of Vienna, Austria.


Cardinal Richelieu, prime minister of France under Louis XIII, is seen here in cappa magna, with the French Order of the Holy Spirit worn over it.


Joseph Cardinal Ritter, Archbishop of St Louis, wearing the winter cappa magna. By the pom-pom on his biretta, you can tell (even without color) that he has not yet been created cardinal.


A better image of Cardinal Ritter. Notice the woolen cardinal's biretta (abolished in 1969), worn in winter and for penitential services.


Two images of Patrick Cardinal Hayes of New York.


A Bishop James Sweeney is photographed after a High Mass in the Philippines.


Very special thanks to Father Athanasius McVay, OSBN, and Professor David Kubiak for their help in locating, scanning, and identifying these photographs.
 

12 posted on 07/11/2008 10:22:50 AM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: Notwithstanding

That’s a regular cappacornicopeia.


13 posted on 07/11/2008 10:26:39 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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LOL!


14 posted on 07/11/2008 10:28:42 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Sank you. I’ll be here all ze week. Try ze veal.


15 posted on 07/11/2008 10:31:24 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Notwithstanding
Every time I think about becoming a Catholic, somebody shows up with pictures like those.

WWJD?

16 posted on 07/11/2008 10:34:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Cut the birth certificate crap! It's the communism, stupid!)
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To: Petronski

LOL! Be sure and tip your waitress.


17 posted on 07/11/2008 10:34:58 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Noble
WWJD?

Declare war against lengthy cloaks?

I'm not sure what you're arguing here.

18 posted on 07/11/2008 10:42:15 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: The Cajun

I’ve decided I don’t care. I may get a crinoline! :o)


19 posted on 07/11/2008 10:46:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Notwithstanding

Thanks for posting the photos. It’s fascinating, and I especially appreciate the ones of Abp. Burke.


20 posted on 07/11/2008 10:46:44 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Pyro7480; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Cappa ping!


21 posted on 07/11/2008 10:49:07 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Jim Noble

Well, remember in the Gospel when Christ was being perfumed with some costly ointment? And Judas said, “This is terrible, the ointment could have been sold for a huge amount of money, and then we could have given the money to the poor!” And Christ answered, “The poor you will always have with you. Leave her alone.”

Honestly, if all the Church’s treasure were sold — the Vatican itself — and distributed to all the poor, it would be maybe a buck fifty each, and then where would you be?

No Catholic schools, orphanages, hospitals, missions, churches, monasteries, seminaries, colleges, no Vatican, no historical collections, etc. And those who bought them would be thrilled, in some instances, to profane them, or use them as palaces for themselves. Think Zimbabwe, and how well THAT worked out.


22 posted on 07/11/2008 11:02:00 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Pyro7480

Ya gotta laugh at the frustrated old whiners who take themselves waaaay too seriously.

Funny post.


23 posted on 07/11/2008 11:23:34 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Pyro7480

Ya gotta laugh at the frustrated old whiners who take themselves waaaay too seriously.

Funny post.


24 posted on 07/11/2008 11:23:48 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Pyro7480

Ya gotta laugh at the frustrated old whiners who take themselves waaaay too seriously.

Funny post.


25 posted on 07/11/2008 11:23:59 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Pyro7480

Dress them all in Mao suits and the progressives would still be screaming.


26 posted on 07/11/2008 11:26:31 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

oops! My computer kept blinking out on me. Sorry for the multiplication of comments.


27 posted on 07/11/2008 11:36:42 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: OpusatFR

Exactly.


28 posted on 07/11/2008 11:41:22 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Mrs. Don-o

” I may get a crinoline! :o)”

and a Merry Widow.


30 posted on 07/11/2008 11:51:36 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Jim Noble
I do understand your immediate discomfort or perplexity, because once it was mine as well (and still is, in patches.)

Partly it's a matter of style: we are not Europeans, and we are rather more distressed at seeing a churchman dressed as a minor baron than we are seeing him looking like a major bank manager (Creflo Dollar comes to mind.)

Nor do we make an appropriate distinction between personal opulence and the insignia of office. A pope's cappa magna is no more a statement of personal style than a Marine's dress blues. It's a cumbersome thing --- bulky, sweaty and warm--- but he wears ceremonial garb in order to signify. He signifies with brocade what is signified in words in Psalm 45, namely, the beauty and radiance of God's reign:

Gird your sword upon your side, O mighty one;
clothe yourself with splendor and majesty.
All your robes are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia;
from palaces adorned with ivory
the music of the strings makes you glad.


Chesterton has this to say:

"Christianity was reproached with its naked and hungry habits; with its sackcloth and dried peas. But the next minute Christianity was being reproached with its pomp and its ritualism; its shrines of porphyry and its robes of gold. It was abused for being too plain and for being too coloured...

"In Christendom apparent accidents balanced. Becket wore a hair shirt under his gold and crimson, and there is much to be said for the combination; for Becket got the benefit of the hair shirt while the people in the street got the benefit of the crimson and gold. It is at least better than the manner of the modern millionaire, who has the black and the drab outwardly for others, and the gold next his heart.

"But the balance was not always in one man's body as in Becket's; the balance was often distributed over the whole body of Christendom. Because a man prayed and fasted on the Northern snows, flowers could be flung at his festival in the Southern cities; and because fanatics drank water on the sands of Syria, men could still drink cider in the orchards of England..."

So remember that Mother Teresa in her cheap, threadbare sari and Pope John Paul II in his embroidered vestments were members of the same Church, loved one another and prayed for each other; that a man like Benedict XVI might have no more personal belongings after a lifetime of labor than a piano, a box of books, and a cat.

31 posted on 07/11/2008 12:10:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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To: OpusatFR

Srapless lingerie is not something a ...woman of substance could... support...


32 posted on 07/11/2008 12:15:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
that a man like Benedict XVI might have no more personal belongings after a lifetime of labor than a piano, a box of books, and a cat.

Make that more than a few boxes of books! I remember when they were moving the Holy Father's belongings from his residence as Cardinal to the Apostolic Palace and there were lots of boxes full of boxes.

33 posted on 07/11/2008 12:16:16 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

A lovely, moving post. Thank you so much.


34 posted on 07/11/2008 12:17:47 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Jim Noble

You’d rather they wore sackcloth and ashes?


35 posted on 07/11/2008 12:18:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Good catch! Chesterton almost always has something to say to the purpose.

Ex-episcopalians can stomach any amount of pomp, ceremony, gold and watered silk -- so long as it is in good taste, of course!

36 posted on 07/11/2008 12:20:47 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Join the Single Action Shooting Society, and you'll have a great excuse to wear a crinoline!

I use it as an excuse to wear buckskins and feathers in my hair . . . .

37 posted on 07/11/2008 12:23:35 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Picture. You know the rules.


38 posted on 07/11/2008 12:27:45 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
This type?


39 posted on 07/11/2008 12:37:57 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So remember that Mother Teresa in her cheap, threadbare sari and Pope John Paul II in his embroidered vestments were members of the same Church, loved one another and prayed for each other; that a man like Benedict XVI might have no more personal belongings after a lifetime of labor than a piano, a box of books, and a cat.

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Pure poetry.

40 posted on 07/11/2008 12:39:57 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; AnAmericanMother
Picture. You know the rules.

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Hear, hear!

41 posted on 07/11/2008 12:42:39 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
So slimming. So hip-camouflaging.
42 posted on 07/11/2008 12:48:42 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Wow. The waist looks tiny.


43 posted on 07/11/2008 12:50:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pyro7480

I guess some people (letter writer) will complain about anything. :)


44 posted on 07/11/2008 12:54:47 PM PDT by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I find this style to be more flattering to me:

I call it the "Auntie Mame" look. ;)

45 posted on 07/11/2008 12:59:56 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
It all depends... ..where you set your "height" and "width" values.
46 posted on 07/11/2008 1:00:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

LOL!


47 posted on 07/11/2008 1:01:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Having an Isis Crisis?


48 posted on 07/11/2008 1:02:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I agree. People who don’t bat an eye over ministers who wear expensive tailored suits and jeweled pinky rings get all weird when they see a Catholic or Orthodox Bishop in full ceremonial dress, regardless of the personal wealth of the Bishop. (and most Catholic and Orthodox Bishops have very little personal wealth at all. Most of their expenses are covered by the Church)


49 posted on 07/11/2008 1:02:52 PM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t know. What is an Isis Crisis?


50 posted on 07/11/2008 1:05:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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