Posted on 07/15/2008 6:46:16 AM PDT by marshmallow
LAKELAND, Fla. - Todd Bentley believes God acts through him to cure cancer, heal the deaf and raise the dead.
So do hundreds of thousands of people who have visited his raucous revival meeting, now in its third month and broadcast nightly from a huge tent in the middle of Florida.
The 32-year-old Canadian, tattooed to the fingers and neck, puts a palm to the forehead of the sick, desperate and faithful. Bentley yells "Bam!" they collapse and he proclaims them cured. Attendees dance in the aisles, shout to Heaven, laugh, shake violently and cry.
Such revivals aren't new, but Bentley's stage show has become a phenomenon in the religious world - for both its pull and the criticism it has attracted - in just a few months.
He claims to have medical proof of mass healings, but has not produced widely convincing evidence.
His tactics, sometimes violent, have made skeptics even of Pentecostals who believe in concepts that aren't accepted by all branches of Christianity such as speaking in tongues, miraculous healing and spontaneous twitching from the Holy Spirit.
"Some of the language used during the Lakeland Revival has created an almost sideshow atmosphere," wrote J. Lee Grady, editor of the Pentecostal magazine Charisma, in an online column. "People are invited to 'Come and get some.' Miracles are supposedly 'popping like popcorn.' ... Such brash statements cheapen what the Holy Spirit is doing." Grady wrote another column this week expressing concern that the Lakeland event has the potentital to cause a "charismatic civil war."
When Bentley performs healings, often wearing jeans and a T-shirt, aides bring the sick up both sides of an elaborate stage. The preacher's assistants tell the audience each person's condition and how far they came to be cured: from Europe, the West Coast, up to the Northeast and beyond.
Like a psychic, he will proclaim someone in the crowd has a particular kind of tumor, growth or affliction.
"Someone's getting a new spinal cord tonight!" Bentley yelled in one service.
Bentley gives the credit to God, but Christian critics say he rarely opens a Bible or sermonizes about Jesus Christ. They worry he is too little about conversion, too heavy on his own hype and too focused on self-proclaimed miracles.
"How can you be too focused on miracles?" Bentley shouted to another packed house.
The revival sprung from Bentley's April visit to a Lakeland church for a speaking engagement. He has traveled the world as head of Fresh Fire Ministries, based in Abbotsford, British Columbia, but never received a fraction of this exposure.
Thanks to Internet streaming and live broadcasts on the satellite channel GodTV, Bentley's revival has outgrown four venues in Lakeland and drawn more than 400,000 in-person from around the country and world, promoters say.
GodTV estimated its viewership has more than doubled since it began televising the event each night, and Web hits have risen from 25,000 to 200,000 weekly. Bentley's own page is now getting 8 million hits a month, he said.
But the ease of Internet communication cuts both ways for Bentley. Critics circulate a YouTube video from Lakeland of him kneeing a supposed terminal stomach cancer patient in the abdomen, saying God told him to. In another clip, Bentley explains how he kicked an elderly lady in the face, choked a man, banged a crippled woman's legs on a platform, "leg-dropped" a pastor and hit a man so hard it dislodged a tooth.
The criticism has grown so acute that Bentley addressed it directly on stage earlier this month. He said he has used those extreme methods only about 20 times in 10 years of preaching, and those cases were taken out of context. Each person was healed, not hurt, Bentley insisted.
"People just can't understand why God would tell me something like, 'Kick that woman in the face,' who was not injured and hundreds were healed," Bentley said. "Or the incident where I did hit a guy so hard one time that he did hit the ground and his tooth popped out.
"But what people don't know is that he was a dentist. There's a whole miracle that took place in his body. He was healed of cancer and he became a (ministry donor) after the incident of knocking his tooth out, because he knew it was God. And he said, 'I never felt a thing.'"
The claims of healing range from disappeared tumors to a man who says he can now see out of a glass eye. In more than 20 cases, Bentley says, his revival has even literally resurrected the dead. Such claims have been made by revivalists in the past, but they are not common and some Pentecostals reject them.
Expecting critics, Bentley's ministry distributed a list of 15 people it said were cured, and vetted by his ministry, with all but three of their stories "medically verified."
Yet two phone numbers given out by the ministry were wrong, six people did not return telephone messages and only two of the remainder, when reached by The Associated Press, said they had medical records as proof of their miracle cure. However, one woman would not make her physician available to confirm the findings, and the other's doctor did not return calls despite the patient's authorization.
Bentley also insists he hasn't accepted a cent from the nightly offerings in three months at Lakeland, instead putting it into the ministry and living on his regular salary from Fresh Fire. According to records from the Canadian Revenue Agency, the ministry as a whole made $2.7 million in 2006 revenue, the most recent year available.
Bentley would not disclose donations from the revival, but said it carries a $35,000 daily operating cost. Offerings aren't taken until four hours or so into the nightly proceedings, he notes, when all are tired and some have left.
To those who doubt the healing claims, he asks: If you believe in the Bible's miracles, why can't you believe they're happening today?
"Miracles and healings are evidence," Bentley said. "They are signs of the Kingdom, and if we don't have signs then all we have is a bunch of theology. How one individual wants to interpret Scripture and how another individual wants to interpret Scripture."
The revival is similar to yearslong events in Toronto and Pensacola, on Florida's Panhandle, in the 1990s, said Vinson Synan, a professor of church history at Regent University and sympathetic expert on Pentecostalism. The difference is Bentley's focus _ more on healing, less on conversion _ and appearance, he said.
"What I see is exhortation _ encouraging the people to worship and to praise, exhorting people rather than teaching and preaching, in the traditional sense," Synan said. "I told my class he's the most unlikely evangelist you can imagine, compared to the curly haired Billy Grahams and Oral Robertses, who were attractive people. This guy's kind of short, fat and bald, with tattoos on his arms. He looks like a hippie. ... In a way it's a positive, because he's very much of the common man."
Though that has helped Bentley attract a broad mix, it has not necessarily convinced the larger Pentecostal community. Some local church leaders have criticized the event, and the Assemblies of God, one of America's largest Pentecostal denominations, got so many questions it published a five-page statement of guidelines to help parishioners test the validity of a revival. It doesn't mention Lakeland specifically, or directly opine for or against Bentley. But it is consistent with much of the criticism against him.
"Miraculous manifestations are never the test of a true revival - fidelity to God's Word is the test," wrote AOG Superintendent George O. Wood. "Jesus Himself said there would be many who would do miracles in His name and even cast out demons, but he does not know them. Jesus warned that 'many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.'"
A bold statement. Have they interviewed the newly risen fellow?
“Todd Bentley believes God acts through him to cure cancer, heal the deaf and raise the dead.”
I say this as a Christian, secure in my faith. One that DOES believe in the healing power of our Lord Jesus Christ; If this man truly has the Lord working through him in this way, why is he not visiting every childrens cancer or burn ward in every medical center in the world?
Part of his healing technique involves kicking people in the face or punching them. So, there would be this guy in the hospital ward, kicking sick kids in the face, saying he was healing them.
I'm thinking the cancer wards wouldn't want him to visit. Perhaps they're jealous of his abilities.
“If this man truly has the Lord working through him in this way, why is he not visiting every childrens cancer or burn ward in every medical center in the world?”
There’s no money in it for him.
“When Bentley performs healings, often wearing jeans and a T-shirt”
I used to attend a Pentecostal church. The Pastor there (still a good friend) wears khakis and either bowling shirts or Hawaiian print button up shirts. Not every church leader needs to show up in a 3 piece suit every Sunday.
“Perhaps they’re jealous of his abilities.”
LOL, yes that must be it.
If this man truly has the Lord working through him in this way, why is he not visiting every children's cancer or burn ward in every medical center in the world?
Maybe it is because the children don't have anything to add to his collection plate?
Hold on, you aren't healed yet.. let me get that money out of your purse.... got it... BAM! you're healed!
No, Todd "God Wants Me to Punch You In Your Face" Bentley.
Those who do not seek for signs, those who follow Him without demanding Him for evidence, have something called "faith" and they live by this "faith" - not by sight.
That doesn't set off any alarms in your head at all?
Really?
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The Evangelist Jack Cole, back in 1951 was known for this type of thing. Some of the youth I met who were going through drug rehab, exhibited changed lives after going to Lakeland. I think I’d like to get some of it.
That's a wicked thing to tell someone when you're not actually doing it (and Bentley isn't).
This could be very real.
This man may very well go to Hospitals and pray for people. It’s not like he’s going to give a long list of places he’s visited.
By the way, as you know this man isn’t Jesus. He’s just a man who’s annointed for healing. As with tools there are logistical issues involved. Same thing with healing services. It takes annointed praise and worship for the power of God to show up on this level. That’s why people have to show up at his event.
Didn't the so called Christian Science cult already do a ‘reductio ad absurdum’ on this idea? Who can take it seriously after those idiots prayed over a child with obstructed bowels and let him die rather than taking him to a doctor, giving him a laxative, or using mechanical means to loosen the obstruction?
I know, intelligent, serious and orthodox people who had life-changing experiences in Pensacola. They are not today “practicing charismatics” but they will say that they were healed back then.
Anyone here at FR have any positive Pensacola experiences?
I always try to separate God’s message from the messenger. I avoid finding “mini-messiahs”.
Nonetheless, when the miraculous is happening, I praise God for it and try to keep on following him.
God once used a donkey to speak to a prophet, the donkey did not become a prophet and I don’t think anyone went to it for advice in the future.
I don’t know if God is using this guy or not. I do know that Paul wrote that some preached the Gospel out of conviction and some preached it to make money. Either way, he said he rejoiced that the gospel was getting preached.
I hope people are getting healed. I hope even more that they are getting saved. But I’m not running all over the countryside looking for miracles and the presence of God in some faraway place when I know good and well that he is present with me despite myself and that his miracles are working and active in the world today.
Heck, I’m not too fond of lady preachers, but if God decides to use a lady, a donkey, or a tatooed dude, I doubt he will ask my permission first. I know he won’t, because he has used all of these in some pretty amazing ways and he never asked me.
So while I personally doubt that God told this guy to kick some poor old gal in the face, I will just try to celebrate for each one who trusts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour as a result of these meetings.
No, it couldn't.
But he is willing to provide (unreliable) lists of people he's "healed."
By the way, as you know this man isn’t Jesus.
Oh, I'm quite certain of that.
He’s just a man who’s annointed for healing.
No, he is a man who claims to be anointed for healing.
As with tools there are logistical issues involved. Same thing with healing services. It takes annointed praise and worship for the power of God to show up on this level. That’s why people have to show up at his event.
This is a bit confused in expression.
Am I to understand that God needs the assistance of crowds and $35,000 per night stage shows to heal people?
Yes.....you hit the nail on the head. The attention is drawn to him rather than pointing to Christ. He doesn’t travel but rather sets himself up to visited.
So now, if we say that God is working through this healer, I might be willing to entertain the notion – hey, God can do anything!
But if you tell me that the only way God can heal these people is by having this fellow kick them in the face on His behalf … well, at this point we’ve reached the limits of my faith in this particular matter. I’m not buying.
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LOL. You should have put that in there the first time. Having seen your posts for years now, the ‘perhaps they’re jealous’ comment had me scratching my head big time, wondering if you’d undergone some conversion overnight, or maybe you had fallen down and bumped your head.
I know I came from stodgy Presbyterian and Episcopal churches (a loooong time ago), but I fail to see what need these types of “preachers” (scare quotes for obvious reasons) fulfill in people.
I confess, though (and please no accusations of anti-Catholicism from the studio audience), that I feel much the same about the Vatican attributing cures of cancer (was that just in the news recently?) to the intercession of someone dead that they are in the process of canonizing.
He is being criticized precisely for ignoring conversion as part of his "revival" - specifically by those who argue that conversion of the soul to Christ is the primary purpose of a true revival and the healing of the body is merely one of the fruits and graces of that conversion.
I saw that in a couple of the reports but I thought the complaints were more centered on that he doesn’t preach “enough” about salvation not that he doesn’t preach “at all” about salvation.
Righteous persons whose bodies have died temporarily are not really dead - they are alive and with their Lord in heaven.
Their prayers - like yours and mine - mean something. As Scripture says, the prayers of a righteous man availeth much.
I believe in miracles, most certainly. I have read about God blessing certain people with supernatural healing powers, from the Apostle Peter to Saint Padre Pio of Pietralcina. And I believe that God chooses such people in His Divine wisdom. This man could very well have the gift of supernatural healing.
But I have to admit I have never heard of a man healing through choking and doing legdrops before.
“In another clip, Bentley explains how he kicked an elderly lady in the face, choked a man, banged a crippled woman’s legs on a platform, “leg-dropped” a pastor and hit a man so hard it dislodged a tooth.”
Competition for Benny Hinn?
One difference I think, is that Catholic cures used in the process of canonization tend to be rigorously documented. Several medical and/or scientific experts must examine the case and their findings are carefully recorded and archived. IOW, they are more than anecdotal.
If such a thing were to occur with regard to the healings claimed by Bentley for instance, I think it would go a long way to eliminating a lot of the cynicism which surrounds these types of claims. For instance, the article makes reference to a man who claims to be able to see through a "glass eye". That is a truly extraordinary claim, unprecedented in the annals of medical science and it absolutely needs to be followed up. It is the sort of thing which if true, lends great weight to his claims. On the other hand, if grandiose claims such as this remain at the anecdotal level and become ever more extravagant, they lend themselves naturally to suggestions of fraud and fakery.
God doesn’t need a crowd for healing.
But a conman does need a crowd for mass psychosis.
Just to kick it up a notch.
Not the same guy, but funny nonetheless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI
"Wait...what happened to Billy?"
Matthew 7:15-23 (NIV)
15”Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21”Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
The Catholic Church does well to rigorously document cures. This Todd Bentley doesn't seem to be able to produce authentic 'healed' people. The proof would be in those 'healed' people with their doctors attesting to their miracles. Before and after photos, videos, etc. would be convincing, but what Bentley's doing is not convincing at all.
*** Like a psychic, he will proclaim someone in the crowd has a particular kind of tumor, growth or affliction. ***
Peter Popoff got caught in this scam. The people were signing prayer request cards and his wife was using a small transmitter to send details from the cards to a small microphone in his ear.
It was a professional magician who blew his cover. The magician brought in his own receiver and caught her transmittions.
***”Someone’s getting a new spinal cord tonight!” Bentley yelled in one service. ***
But what about the people in the local hospital? Has he ever tried working his “claim” in a children’s burn ward?
A burn ward is a real test of one’s claim to work miracles.
Or what about an amputee?...somehow, none of these faith healers, has ever been able on stage, to restore someone’s limb...I dont ask for a whole leg, or a whole arm, how about just restoring someone’s little pinkie finger, that was amputated...
To me, any of these faith healers, could seal his popularity forever, if he merely restored a small limb onstage, in front of the whole audience...now, that would really be something...
I wont hold my breath waiting for this to occur, as I am sure, such a happening, will never take place...
But your notion of visiting a childrens burn ward is an excellent one...
How about Bentley visiting a bone marrow transplant center...cancer stricken children die every single day at bone marrow transplant centers....why doesn’t Bentley visit these centers and alleviate the suffering of these, the smallest of us all...
All that being said, miracle cures, do happen every day, people are granted spontaneous remissions from their illnesses every day...and these happen all the time, without the recipient of the cure, having to attend a faith healers show, or filling the faith healers pockets with money..I just don’t believe that any of these so called ‘faith healers’, are anything but fakes and frauds...
Ah, but that is just me...there are, I am sure, hundreds, thousands of others, who believe differently...
You can’t charge by the head or pass the plate in a children’s cancer ward.
Bingo....
When I was working in nursing homes, we had a young gal(in her early 20’s),as a resident...she was in a vegetative state...every so often, her parents would ‘pay’ a faith healer, to come to the nursing home, do his/her routine, collect his/her money...and the young gal never improved one little bit...
I was given to understand, they paid these faith healers, a great deal more than just gas money, and compensation for an hour’s time(more like 15 minutes worth)...
The young gal was an only child, and I could understand her parents desperation to find a cure for her, because the medical community said, that she would never recover...so one cannot fault them for turning to faith healers...
This young gal is still in the same state as she was, more than a decade ago...at least the medical community, was upfront with the parents, assuring them that there was nothing more they could do...the faith healers, all ‘claimed’, that they had the ‘healing’ touch, and could cure their daughter...
"Someone's getting a new spinal cord tonight!" Bentley yelled in one service.
Stunts like that remind me of a charlatan "faith healer" of a few decades ago named Peter Popov who called out names of people in the audience and then told the audience things about the diseases and/or physical disabilities of those persons that only they could have known themselves. He was later exposed as a fraud when it was discovered that his assistants were in the audiences gathering the information that he claimed he was receiving from God and passing it to him on stage via a miniature earphone radio setup.
Popov was disgraced and gave up his so-called "ministry" for a while after that, but I have recently heard his name being bandied about on Christian radio again. I suppose that as long as desperately sick people are willing to believe almost any charlatan who promises to heal their diseases by way of some claimed "gift" of healing there will be more than enough religious frauds around to reap the rewards of fleecing them. God must have a special hall of judgment in Heaven reserved just for dealing with charlatans who use His Holy Name to take advantage of gullible suffering people who will grasp at any hope for a cure.
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