Another step toward what we know must eventually come (Another step toward persecution) [Ecumenical]

WDTPRS ^ | July 16, 2008 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

[NYer]

Another step toward the persecution.

My emphases and comments.

 

FAITH UNDER FIRE
Major U.S. city officially condemns Catholic Church
Instructs members to defy ‘Holy Office of Inquisition’

Posted: July 15, 2008

San Francisco’s Golden Gate Bridge

A San Francisco city and county board resolution that officially labeled the Catholic church’s moral teachings on homosexuality as "insulting to all San Franciscans," "hateful," "defamatory," "insensitive" and "ignorant" will be challenged tomorrow in court for violating the Constitution’s prohibition of government hostility toward religion.

Resolution 168-08, passed unanimously by the City and County of San Francisco Board of Supervisors two years ago, also accused the Vatican of being a "foreign country" meddling with and attempting to "negatively influence (San Francisco’s) existing and established customs."

It said of the church’s teaching on homosexuality, "Such hateful and discriminatory rhetoric is both insulting and callous, and shows a level of insensitivity and ignorance which has seldom been encountered by this Board of Supervisors."

As WND reported, Resolution 168-08 was an official response to the Catholic Church’s ban on adoption placements into homosexual couple households, issued by Cardinal William Levada of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith at the Vatican.

The board’s resolution urged the city’s local archbishop and the Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of San Francisco to defy the Vatican’s instructions, concluding with a spiteful reminder that the church authority that issued the ban was known 100 years ago as "The Holy Office of the Inquisition."

The resolution also took a shot at Levada, the former archbishop of San Francisco, saying, "Cardinal Levada is a decidedly unqualified representative of his former home city, and of the people of San Francisco and the values they hold dear."The anti-Catholic diatribe had been challenged in U.S. District Court on similar grounds, but District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel ruled in favor of the city, saying, in essence, the church started it.

She wrote in her decision, "The Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith provoked this debate, indeed may have invited entanglement" for instructing Catholic politicians on how to vote. This court does not find that our case law requires political bodies to remain silent in the face of provocation."

She ruled that the city’s proclamation was not entangling the government in church affairs, since the resolution was a non-binding, non-regulatory announcement.

Since no law was enacted, she ruled, city officials – even in their official capacity as representatives of the government – can say what they want.

"It is merely the exercise of free speech rights by duly elected office holders," she wrote. [Ohhhh… I think it’s a little more than that now.]

Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, which is appealing the District Court decision on behalf of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights and two Catholic residents of San Francisco, disagrees with Patel’s decision.

"Sadly, the ruling itself clearly exhibited hostility toward the Catholic Church," he said in a statement. "The judge in her written decision held that the Church ‘provoked the debate’ by publicly expressing its moral teaching, and that by passing the resolution the City responded ‘responsibly’ to all of the ‘terrible’ things the Church was saying."  [You wouldn’t want the Church to have free speech.]

Thomas More attorney Robert Muise will present oral arguments in the case tomorrow morning in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.  [Imagine.  The 9th Circuit. What a joke.]

"Our Constitution plainly forbids hostility toward any religion, including the Catholic faith," he said.

"In total disregard for the Constitution, homosexual activists in positions of authority in San Francisco have abused their authority as government officials and misused the instruments of the government to attack the Catholic Church. Their egregious abuse of power has now the backing of a lower federal court. … Unfortunately, all too often we see a double standard being applied in Establishment Clause cases," Muise said.

Thomas More attorneys argued in the District Court case that the "anti-Catholic resolution sends a clear message" that Catholics are "outsiders, not full members of the political community." [That’s it.]

The cultural, and now political, straight-arm to adherents of the Christian faith in San Francisco has been increasingly public in the last two years. Just one week after the anti-Catholic resolution was passed, the San Francisco Board issued a similar resolution against a mostly evangelical group.

Following a gathering of 25,000 teens at San Francisco’s AT&T Park as part of Ron Luce’s Teen Mania "Battle Cry for a Generation" rally against the sexualization of America’s youth culture by advertisers and media, the board spoke out formally again.

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, the Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution condemning the "act of provocation" by what it termed an "anti-gay," "anti-choice" organization that aimed to "negatively influence the politics of America’s most tolerant and progressive city."

Openly homosexual California Assemblyman Mark Leno told protesters of the teen rally that though such religious people may be few, "they’re loud, they’re obnoxious, they’re disgusting, and they should get out of San Francisco."  [Nice!  They should also rename the city, to get rid of the last taint of Christianity.  Then we can put up a wall.]

The Chronicle also reported a San Francisco protester against the evangelical youth rally carried a sign that may sum up the sentiment: "I moved here to get away from people like you."

The Thomas More Law Center hopes the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals will decide in the case of Resolution 1680-08 that even if a large portion of the community is at odds with a religion’s views on homosexuality, the government cannot be used as a weapon to condemn religious faith.  [Just watch.]

Currently, as WND has reported, Colorado and Michigan are tackling the question of whether the Bible itself can be vilified as "hate speech" for it’s condemnation of homosexuality, and Canada has developed human rights commissions, which have decided people cannot express opposition to homosexuality without fear of government reprisal.

Another step toward what we know must eventually come.

[NYer]

You can smell it coming. This will be a test unlike anything we have ever experienced.

[Frank Sheed]

You have mail. God works in strange ways.

[NeoCaveman]

You can smell it coming.

I smell smoke. It's got a pretty high sulfur content to it.

[Gamecock]

Interesting read.

Thanks for posting.

[sitetest]

A San Francisco city and county board resolution that officially labeled Islam’s teachings on jihad as “insulting to all San Franciscans,” “hateful,” “defamatory,” “insensitive” and “ignorant” will be challenged tomorrow in court for violating the Constitution’s prohibition of government hostility toward religion.

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Anyone object now?

[wideawake]

A religion is entitled to advocate chastity. It is not entitled to advocate murder.

[DonaldC]

What religion are you referring to?

[verga]

Anyone object now?

Beat me to it.

Currently, as WND has reported, Colorado and Michigan are tackling the question of whether the Bible itself can be vilified as "hate speech" for it’s condemnation of homosexuality, and Canada has developed human rights commissions, which have decided people cannot express opposition to homosexuality without fear of government reprisal.

And immediately after that they will be vilifying the koran as hate speech for the exact same reason.

Of course that would require them to actually have some B@lls.

[sitetest]

Dear wideawake,

“A religion is entitled to advocate chastity. It is not entitled to advocate murder.”

I agree with you.

But we are both believing Catholics, and our views toward homosexuality are determined significantly by that fact.

I know homosexuals who believe that the Catholic Church's teachings on homosexuality are the promotion of violence and, yes, murder against homosexuals. This, they truly believe.

And I know Muslims who do not believe that Islamic teachings on jihad consist of advocating murder.

I disagree with both perspectives.

But I doubt that most folks in San Francisco agree with me, at least on the first point. And their representatives represent them in this view.

sitetest

[sandyeggo]

...And at midnight there was a cry made: Behold the bridegroom cometh...

Keep the oil in your lamp.

[Zionist Conspirator]

What always gets me about these obnoxious people is that they depend--absolutely depend--on the listener/reader having a deep, subliminal, instinctual revulsion for the word "hatred" (and therefore do whatever teh "gays" want done at that moment). Yet the irony is that at one time this same instinctual revulsion towards homosexuality was universal. They "gays" have destroyed that particular instinctive reaction, but the leeches still attach themselves to the morality they despise whenever they scream about "hatred."

[woollyone]

Iran simply doesn’t have homosexuals there like we do in the US

they just don’t have that problem.

[Tax-chick]

"Our Constitution plainly forbids hostility toward any religion, including the Catholic faith," he said.

No, it doesn't. I wish people would be accurate. Is TMLC challenging the Board's statement on establishment grounds or on free exercise grounds? Either seems rather tenuous to me.

I suppose it could be played as a defamation case - like JimRob's against the City of Fresno.

[applpie]

i believe we will be gone. then they will smell some smoke. ...woe to those who call evil, good and good, evil.

[chase19]

***A San Francisco city and county board resolution that officially labeled the Catholic church’s moral teachings on homosexuality as “insulting to all San Franciscans,” “hateful,” “defamatory,” “insensitive” and “ignorant” will be challenged tomorrow in court for violating the Constitution’s prohibition of government hostility toward religion.***

Archbishop of Canterbury: ‘Christian doctrine is offensive to Muslims’:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1035420/Why-Christian-doctrine-offensive-Muslims-Archbishop.html

The Archbishop concurs.

[nanetteclaret]

Blessed Martyrs of Compiegne (whose feast day just happens to be tomorrow), pray for us!

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/library/onlinelibrary/martyrs.htm

Their story is an awesome inspiration for steadfastness in the face of persecution and death. (And it reminds me that I need to learn all of the Church’s prayers by heart. They sang the “Veni Creator Spiritus” on the way to their deaths. They knew it so thoroughly that their fear did not erase it. A good lesson for us all.)

[Jaded]

Abp Rowan Williams- a wolf in sheeps clothing.

[nanetteclaret]

***Abp Rowan Williams- a wolf in sheeps clothing***

a wolf in SHEPHERD’S clothing! (even worse)

[Salvation]

**You can smell it coming. This will be a test unlike anything we have ever experienced.**

And the question remains, "Why is this being focused on the Catholic Church?"

Because the Catholic Church has now succumbed to the pressures of San Francisco government and condoned homosexuality.

Remember, however, hate the sin, love the sinner.

[Salvation]

This is what these city officials hate about the Catholic Church:

 

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Body:	7 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved

[Salvation]

Major U.S. city officially condemns Catholic Church

[jimt]

This is flabbergasting. Thanks for the post.

[Kevmo]

Yup, I smell it coming. I’m in silicon valley, just a hop away from SF, and the hostility towards christianity is palpable.

[martin_fierro]

Duh Mayor had this to say.

[NYer]

...And at midnight there was a cry made: Behold the bridegroom cometh...

Keep the oil in your lamp.

:-)

Our King comes in majestic glory.
Let us light our lamps and go forth to meet Him.
Let us find our joy in Him, for He has found joy in us.
He will indeed rejoice us with His marvelous light.
Nuhro (Hymn of Light) - Maronite Prayers of the Faithful (Safro)

You're the best, dear friend!

[NYer]

they just don’t have that problem.

Oh yes they do! They deal with it quite differently. Do a google search on homosexual muslims.

[trisham]

Bump!

[chase19]

From the - Defender of the Faith!

Dr Williams’s suggestion that the introduction of sharia law in some parts of Britain was “unavoidable”

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...the archbishop argued last week that the rights of religious groups must be rethought because Britain is now a “secular state”.

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When Alice Thomson and I interviewed Dr Williams last year, we asked him whether he thought Britain was a Christian country any more. There was a long pause, then he replied: “It depends what you mean.”

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There are plans to abolish the blasphemy laws, which give special treatment to Christians. Ministers have decided that Muslims with more than one wife should be able to claim benefits for them all.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/02/12/do1201.xml

Maybe he’s in the pay of the Muslim Brotherhood and now acting as a 5th columnist to soften the underbelly to rid England from Christianity! It sure looks like it anyway. No wonder the confusion and weakening of values from the regular w/man in the street. They don’t know which way is up what with Rowan and their Government telling them to go suck eggs while at the same time reassuring islam how peaceful they are...yes Muslims we understand that the Trinity might be offensive to you so we’ll preemptively get rid of it and we’ll throw in the Virgin for good measure. How’s that? Oh, you want to use Westminister for your jihadi services - well I’m sure we can arrange that - anything else?

[sandyeggo]

back atcha, FRiend. :)

Thank you for the beautiful prayer.

[NYer]

Their story is an awesome inspiration for steadfastness in the face of persecution and death. (And it reminds me that I need to learn all of the Church’s prayers by heart. They sang the “Veni Creator Spiritus” on the way to their deaths. They knew it so thoroughly that their fear did not erase it. A good lesson for us all.)

Thank you so much for posting this reminder! Just prior to the Epiclesis during this season of Pentecost, we sing the Veni Creator Spiritus in our Maronite Church. It never fails to bring tears to my eyes. I can't help but think of Fr. Ragheed and his deacon martyrs in Iraq or the 350 Maronite martyrs who died at the hands of Islamic fanatics or the Japanese martyrs, crucified for their faith or the underground Catholic Church in China. Thank you! We need to remain focused on them as we enter our own age of tyranny that will ultimately lead to a different form of persecution.

[chase19]

“They sang the “Veni Creator Spiritus” on the way to their deaths.”

Thanks for the link. We’re in for an even greater avalanche of hate towards the Catholic Church. It’s good to read about our early brothers and sisters in Christ and their bravery - though we won’t get to that state - or will we... They get rid of us and all Christdom is gone and they know it.

[sandyeggo]

[free_life]

Sounds like they want a Christian free city. The Beast cannot be far away now...........and then the return of the Lord..........come quickly Lord Jesus.

How terrible their end will be. And I find no joy in knowing that.

[PanzerKardinal]

Dear God,

Please forgive all those who have turned away from you.

Remember all the faithful in this city named in honor of Saint Francis.

But if you are going to chastise this modern Sodom and Gomorrah, please use the convenient target pipper provided by the selfsame modern sodomites.

Yours,

Panzerkardinal

[the invisib1e hand]

umm,so, a handful of freaks shake their fist at God and the Church is supposed to tremble at the coming “persecution?”

[woollyone]

I was paraphrasing the nutjob...

I’m familiar with their...mmmm...problem solving techniques

[NYer]

MY GOD, I believe, I adore, I trust, and I love Thee!
I ask pardon for for those who do not believe,
do not adore, do not trust and do not love Thee.
Prayer of the Angel of Fatima

BTW - what is a target pipper?

[Jaded]

Have you noticed who is missing here?

[nanetteclaret]

Thank you for this beautiful depiction of the Martyrs. Where is it located?

[sandyeggo]

Quidenham Carmelite Monastery

[sandyeggo]

Link to photograph:

www.flickr.com/photos/liseaux/1808287912/

[Running On Empty]

Have you heard the opera that was written for these martyrs? It’s called “Song from the Scaffold”.

I haven’t yet heard it myself, but I have been told by a priest-friend that it is a stunning work.

[nanetteclaret]

No, I haven’t heard it yet.

I posted a separate thread on the Martyrs, since today is their feast day.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2047100/posts

[sandyeggo]

No, I haven’t. I’ll have to look for it.