Skip to comments.Will More Anglicans become Catholics through the 'Pastoral Provision'?
Posted on 07/19/2008 5:47:00 AM PDT by tcg
As many of the Bishops of the Anglican Communion meet at their Lambeth conference, Christians throughout the world pray and watch with deep concern.
The global Anglican communion and its American expression, the Episcopal Church, has been beset with division arising concerning fundamental doctrinal issues which, to orthodox Christians whether they are Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, derive from the very heart of the Christian revelation.
The late Servant of God, Pope John Paul II responded to the growing requests from priests, deacons and the lay faithful of the Anglican Communion, and its expression in the United States the Episcopal Church.
He instituted what is called the Pastoral provision, and placed it under the jurisdiction of the Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith. The Pastoral provision has provided a means for Anglican or Episcopal Priests, married or celibate, seeking to come into the full communion of the Catholic Church, to be considered for Ordination in the Catholic Church.
Though it has been in effect for almost three decades, most Catholics do not even know of its existence.That may soon change! The now annual "Anglican Use" Conference recently concluded in San Antonio Texas, the home of one of the most noted "Anglican Use" parishes, "Our Lady of the Atonement". In addition the effort has given birth to the "Anglican Use Society".
The Pastoral Provision also authorized the establishment of what are called "Personal Parishes". These are sometimes called Anglican use parishes. They have been constituted in several places in the United States and are thriving...
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We didn’t do so good a job protecting our Anglican traditions from the gay plague, but don’t worry, I’m sure we’ll do a much better job with the Catholic ones.
Excellent article which explains the probability of conservative Anglicans/Episcopalians comming into the Catholic Church.
There is an entire convent in Baltimore considering the same.
The Anglicans are literally driving orthodox Christians away with their acceptance of female priests and now active homosexuals in the priesthood.
The (American Anglican) Episcopal Church embraces gay priests, gay bishops, and gay activities but have not yet made each a requirement of their faith.
The Catholic Church rejects gays from the priesthood but infiltration does occur. The Catholic Church while not rejecting such sinners recognizes gay activities as sin.
I have pondered your statement and tried to imagine a scenario where any possible insinuations of the same would have any plausibility. I confess that I am at a loss.
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The Catholics need to take a lesson and be more diligent. B16 can't do it all.
But then again, it was the numerically relatively small Episcopalian/Anglican churches that fell, say, 2 to maybe 5 million out of 77 million worldwide. (And those numbers don't include those who won't have anything to do again with the worldwide Anglican Communion until that house is in order.)
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I just might dare to say “Yes,” to the question in the title.
“The (American Anglican) Episcopal Church embraces gay priests, gay bishops, and gay activities but have not yet made each a requirement of their faith.”
....but everyone within knows that embracing of the gay lifestyle really IS a requirement in this church. Active participation, while highly encouraged, is still optional.
“The Catholic Church rejects gays from the priesthood but infiltration does occur. The Catholic Church while not rejecting such sinners recognizes gay activities as sin.”
That’s my point friend. The folks that now find themselves outside of the gay-lifestyle church failed to provide an effective defense against their takeover. Their passive-aggressive style does not prevent the gays from taking over so they can play “dress-up” in priest and bishop raiment.
Maybe folks like me aren’t the sort of folks that you want to encourage to join the Catholic church - we’re obviously not going to do anything that effectively keeps the gays from taking over, since we didn’t do it last time we had the chance!
On the other hand, I prefer the traditional Anglican faith - so I’m not changing anyway, but it was just a thought.....
“I have pondered your statement and tried to imagine a scenario where any possible insinuations of the same would have any plausibility. I confess that I am at a loss.”
The folks you are offering to joint you in your faith were not able to prevent gays from taking over their faith. Maybe they’d be better Catholics than Anglicans, but I suspect not.
The gays will keep trying to infiltrate your faith, I do hope you keep them from sneaking in the back door, so to speak.
“But then again, it was the numerically relatively small Episcopalian/Anglican churches that fell, say, 2 to maybe 5 million out of 77 million worldwide. (And those numbers don’t include those who won’t have anything to do again with the worldwide Anglican Communion until that house is in order.)”
Well, the fact that Episcopalians can be openly heretical and still not have managed to get themselves kicked out of the Anglican Communion speaks volumes.
There are also, however, groups that will have nothing whatsoever to do with the wwAC until the heretics are gone.
“GAFCON appears to be the break that will leave TEC and CofE on the outside.”
Unless, of course, they once again are simply given a “stern talking to” and told to “shape up”.
Are you a Catholic from the ECUSA?
I have to disagree with your suggestion. Here are three reasons:
1. Those who would depart the Anglican Communion for Rome would not include the “progressives” who wish to mainstream homosexuality and a socially progressive theology.
2. In terms of liturgy, the Anglo-Catholics tend to be more conservative and traditionalist than most Roman Catholics. They presumably would be a force toward greater traditionalism within the RCC.
3. Roman Catholicism has something called the magisterium, or official “settled” teaching of the church which precludes adoption of novel theologies such as occurred within the AC.
No. Traditional Anglican refugee from the ECUSA.
Please use words like “Anglicans” carefully. The heterodox body called The Episcopal Church (TEC) is THE main group you are talking about. In the USA proper, if a church is called “Anglican” (not Episcopalian) you can be 99% sure it is orthodox: Either Evangelical or Anglo-Catholic.
In America it is EPISCOPALIANS who “are literally driving orthodox Christians away with their acceptance of female priests and now active homosexuals in the priesthood.” NOT generally, those who name themselves “Anglican.”
I've heard conservative Roman Catholic scholars estimate that something like 1/3 or MORE (depending on the school) of RC seminarians are active homosexuals.
I know official Roman Catholic doctrine on homosexuality is orthodox and sound, however, when huge numbers of priests are ignoring the rules (and getting away with it)...such corruption will be bound to break out sooner or later. With all the outrage about the openly active homosexual bishop, Robinson in TEC, I wonder if there couldn't be a (few) secretly active homosexual bishops in the USA's Roman Catholic body. I cannot believe that the "pedophilia" (which was really a homosexual) scandal in the US RC Church was limited just to priests.
This rot is a societal rot...not confined to any one denomination of Christians.
I'm hoping that these traditionalist Anglicans can become traditionalist Catholics, along with a whole bunch of previously modernist-leaning Catholics. Would be a nice jump start to the whole thing.
“This rot is a societal rot...not confined to any one denomination of Christians.”
I certainly agree with you there. As an ex-episcopalian, I am mindful not to cast aspersions at other denominations on that subject......The episcopal church practically invented societal rot.
True, and I certainly didn’t mean to be insulting in this area to Roman Catholics, however, I know what I’ve heard from conservative RC priests in the know on this issue. I just wanted to say if Episcopalians or English Anglicans expect to flee to Rome to get away from the problem of homosexual clergy, they may well be disappointed.
To use Jesus’ term, ours is “a wicked and adulterous generation.”
Ok, I’m Catholic. I’m happy that you’ve found orthodoxy through the traditional Anglican dioceses — is this under ARchbishop AKinola? It’s a real pity that the h’s ran you guys out of your own churches.