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Joseph Smith's First Vision: Fact or Fiction?
MRM ^ | Wesley Walters

Posted on 07/24/2008 12:37:23 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: ejonesie22
HEY That’s my line!

Ok then - you can HAVE it!

But WHY does the UNIVERSITY leave the VIDEO in place - showing how the little brains of mush are filled with arrogance and defensiveness?

181 posted on 07/29/2008 4:58:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: POWG
OK guys keep it up - this is getting good. Lay some more of that “Christian” love and kindness on me!!

So showing the HISTORICAL facts in #168 gets only THIS response?

HMmmm...

182 posted on 07/29/2008 5:00:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
“I don't care what my great prophet and other leaders have said over the years, so quit hitting me with facts”
183 posted on 07/29/2008 5:01:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: POWG
You are not of the same faith as my mother.

We could tell.

But; are you the same faith as described by the Father?


Job 38:2-22
 2.  "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?
 3.  Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me.
 4.  "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
 5.  Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
 6.  On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone--
 7.  while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
 8.  "Who shut up the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb,
 9.  when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness,
 10.  when I fixed limits for it and set its doors and bars in place,
 11.  when I said, `This far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waves halt'?
 12.  "Have you ever given orders to the morning, or shown the dawn its place,
 13.  that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?
 14.  The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.
 15.  The wicked are denied their light, and their upraised arm is broken.
 16.  "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep?
 17.  Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death ?
 18.  Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me, if you know all this.
 19.  "What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside?
 20.  Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
 21.  Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!
 
 
184 posted on 07/29/2008 5:04:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Because they don't see it that way. Group delusion are the most powerful...
185 posted on 07/29/2008 6:08:35 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Elsie

;-)


186 posted on 07/29/2008 6:22:34 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22

The same old, same old “let’s all get along, as long as we do it MY way ploy” placemark.


187 posted on 07/29/2008 6:46:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Eighteen new "I love Romney" threads in the past week,.and counting! Flacking for VP or love-god?)
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To: greyfoxx39

Indeed...


188 posted on 07/29/2008 6:57:48 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Colofornian
Good question, DeLa. Are there any Mormons out there who wear a cross? (And openly so?)

Nope, you won't catch a Mormon wearing a cross or hanging one on their wall and you won't find it in any of their buildings. They are truly taught against the cross. I find it interesting, yet not surprising, that none of them responded - because they know it's true ... the CROSS is a foundational Christian element - this should prove that the Mormon religion is not Christian but only uses the name of Christ. Thanks for the historical proof from their teachings and the scriptures from ours.

189 posted on 07/29/2008 10:26:56 AM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: greyfoxx39
The same old, same old “let’s all get along, as long as we do it MY way ploy” placemark.

Spot on!

190 posted on 07/29/2008 10:28:16 AM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: Elsie
The same old, same old “let’s all get along, as long as we do it MY way ploy” placemark.

I would think the historical components of your doctrine would be a relevant defense in your opinion. If you can't stand on the teachings of the writings of your church perhaps there's something wrong? Now there's a real "hmmm"

I can stand 100% on the teachings of The Bible - and guess what, it never changes. The mormon church gets continous revelation that changes with demand of the public - like when ya'll finally decided to let african americans join your church in recent decades - guess what Jesus loves every race - always has and always will. No matter how we change, He never does nor do his teachings.

191 posted on 07/29/2008 10:33:06 AM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: DeLaVerdad
Copy and pasted the wrong quote on my previous post ... here's the quote to which I am referring

So showing the HISTORICAL facts in #168 gets only THIS response? HMmmm...

I would think the historical components of your doctrine would be a relevant defense in your opinion. If you can't stand on the teachings of the writings of your church perhaps there's something wrong? Now there's a real "hmmm" I can stand 100% on the teachings of The Bible - and guess what, it never changes. The mormon church gets continous revelation that changes with demand of the public - like when ya'll finally decided to let african americans join your church in recent decades - guess what Jesus loves every race - always has and always will. No matter how we change, He never does nor do his teachings.

192 posted on 07/29/2008 10:35:17 AM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: POWG

I hope you do feel it - we do love you with the Love of Christ - we love you enough to tell you Truth. It’s up to you to pray about it and explore it. Don’t you find it interesting that the Christian religion is about Jesus and his works that he did for us? The mormon religion is about you and what you are doing - doing to earn your salavaton and rank into the third and highest heaven, what you are doing to make yourself into a God. Christians will not be Gods - we serve and love the one true God. We will not be Gods in our heaven but will worship him there. All honor and glory and power belong to him and not to us. I am going to heaven because Jeusus shed his blood for me and washed away the sin that confronts me daily. He is my defense attorney and when Satan stands before the throne of God accusing me Jesus says she’s covered, I already paid for that sin. I hope he calls you to join us there - where salvation is free.


193 posted on 07/29/2008 10:41:59 AM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: POWG
"I thought we shared some of the same ideas and values - but apparently we do not. I want no part of what you claim to be “Christian”. You are not of the same faith as my mother. I hope you enjoy your party."

That is a common misconception but we really don't share the same religion - yes, Christians are called to holy living because we follow Christ but our motives are different - our response is out of love and thanks and the mormon resonse is out of fear and works - there are HUGE doctrinal differences between Bible believing Christians and the mormon - (1) the Trinity - we believe it mormons do not (2) the virgin birth - we believe it mormons believe God and Mary had sex to give bith to Jesus. (3) the Bible - we belive it - you all don't - it is used as advertising to draw in Christians who don't know scripture but once in the mormon church the Bible is secondary if even that - the true teaching to mormons are pearl of great price, doct of covenants, book of mormon etc. True Christians are offended by the mormon church who added to our sacred scripture ... bottom line, no, we are far from alike. Only our morality looks similar but ours is not done in our own strength but through the work of Christ in our lives - and we fail at that too but he still loves us and will still let us into heaven because he paid the price to do so. And there will be a party - and we are very excited and long for it day by day. I hope you'll join us there... just humbly recieve God's free gift of salvation and you've got your ticket. God's richest blessings to you and yours.

194 posted on 07/29/2008 10:52:38 AM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: ejonesie22
you and yours are taking it upon yourselves to hoist the mantle of Christ with clearly incorrect doctrine. The Devil is in the details, literally in this case...

And an "amen" to you too! :) I liked your quotes above.

195 posted on 07/29/2008 10:54:57 AM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: DeLaVerdad

Well said...


196 posted on 07/29/2008 11:49:12 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: DeLaVerdad

Thank you, I only speak the truth as it is.


197 posted on 07/29/2008 11:51:55 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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198 posted on 07/29/2008 12:23:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Gamecock

Wesley Walters is a well known anti-mormon hack.

http://www.shields-research.org/General/LDS_Leaders/1stPres/Joseph_Smith/1826%20Trial.PDF


199 posted on 08/02/2008 1:17:41 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Blessed be the peacemakers.)
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