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Yahwah
7,29.08 | Michael

Posted on 07/29/2008 7:58:19 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel

'''Yahwah'''

'''Yahwah''' is God’s personal name based upon the ancient Semitic language. Take note that the letter 7 in Biblical Hebrew was known as waw and pronounced as w, as in Yhwh, “Yahwah.” In Modern Hebrew 7 is known as vav and pronounced as v. The derivation of Yahwah is from the ancient Semitic words HaYah and HaWah. HaYah means “The Life or The Living.” HaWah means “The Beginning or The happening.” This is a partial list of words associated HaWah: Be, is, was, became, happened and appeared.

'''Yahwah reveals His name to Moses'''
'''Exodus 3:13-15.''' 13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?” ''(Elohiym means, “God of The Living.”) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living” or “god-s of life,” for those who have life immortal.'' 14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.” ''(HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)'' 15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ''''Yahwah''', the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”
'''Psalms 22:22.''' I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you.

'''Psalm 66:4.''' All the earth bows down to you; they sing praise to you, they sing praise to your name." Selah. (Selah means to pause and consider.)

'''Psalms 83.''' 16 Cover their faces with shame so that men will seek your name, O '''Yahwah'''. 17 May they ever be ashamed and dismayed; may they perish in disgrace. 18 Let them know that you, whose name is '''Yahwah''', that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

'''Isaiah 63:16.''' For you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us or Israel acknowledge us; you, '''Yahwah''', are our Father; our Redeemer from old is your name.

'''Isaiah 42:8.''' I’m '''Yahwah'''; that’s my name! I will not give my glory to another…

'''Jeremiah 15:16.''' When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heart's delight, for I bear your name, '''Yahwah''', Elohiym of Host.

'''Joel 2''' 26 You will have plenty to eat, until you are full, and you will praise the name of '''Yahwah''' your Elohiym, who has worked wonders for you; never again will my people be shamed. 27 Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am '''Yahwah''' your Elohiym, and that there is no other; never again will my people be shamed. 28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. 29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days. 30 I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of '''Yahwah'''. 32 And everyone who calls on the name of '''Yahwah''' will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as '''Yahwah''' has said, among the survivors whom '''Yahwah''' calls.

'''A brief history lesson'''

After 300 B.C. Adonai became more frequently used than Yahwah. And the Books of Esther, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon do not use the name Yahwah. The title “Lord” (Adonai) is usually a substitute for the divine name: Yahwah.
Origen reported that when Jews read the name Yahwah, they would pronounce it Adonai, while non Jews would pronounce it Kurios.

In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (Septuagint), written before the time of Christ, “Yahwah” was written in Hebrew consonant characters. In the Dead Sea Scrolls, the scribes out of respect for the name wrote it in ancient Hebrew script rather in their normal script. Later on, Christian scribes replaced the Hebrew characters in the Greek Bible with Kurios. Scribes translating the Hebrew Bible showed that Yahwah should not be pronounced, but read as Adonai by substituting the Hebrew vowels of Adonai for those of Yahwah when writing the divine name. Later on, readers who did not know this history did not pronounce Yahwah; but neither did they pronounce Adonai, as the scribes intended. As a result the Middle Ages readers of the Hebrew Bible began pronouncing precisely what was written, and the mixture of consonants from Yahwah and vowels from Adonai, producing the pronunciation of Jehovah, a word that never existed for speakers of ancient Hebrew.

The word "Jehovah" comes from the fact that ancient Jewish texts used to put the vowels of the Name "Adonai" (the usual substitute for YHWH) with the consonants of YHWH to remind people not to pronounce YHWH as written. A sixteenth century German Christian scribe, while transliterating the Bible into Latin for the Pope, wrote the Name out as it appeared in his texts, with the consonants of YHWH and the vowels of Adonai, and came up with the word JeHoVaH.

The number of letters in the Hebrew alphabet, their order, their names, and their phonetic values are virtually identical to those of the Aramaic alphabet, as both Hebrews and Arameans borrowed the Phoenician alphabet for their uses during the end of the 2nd millennium BC. The modern script used for writing Hebrew (usually called the Jewish script by scholars, and also traditionally known as the square script, block script, or Assyrian script; not to be confused with the Eastern variant of the Syriac alphabet) evolved during the 3rd century BC from the Aramaic script, which was used by Jews for writing Hebrew since the 6th century BC. Prior to that, Hebrew was written using the old Hebrew script, which evolved from the 10th century BC Phoenician script.

The original pictograph used in the Early Semitic script is a Y shape, a picture of a tent peg. The tent pegs were made of wood and may have been Y-shaped to prevent the rope from slipping off.

The Modern Hebrew name for this letter is “vav”, a word meaning “peg” or “hook”. This letter is used in Modern Hebrew as a consonant with a “v” sound and as a vowel. If the Modern Hebrew letter appears as (וֹ), it is the vowel sound “ow” and if it appears as (וּ), it is the vowel sound “uw”. When used as a vowel the ancient pronunciation was also an “ow” or “uw”. In each consonant, vowel letters of the Ancient Hebrew language the pronunciation of the consonant is closely related to the pronunciation of the vowel such as the letter “hey” is “h” and “eh,” and the pronunciation of the letter “yud” is “y” and “iy”. For this reason, it is probable that the original pronunciation of the letter Y was with a “w”. In Modern and Ancient Arabic language, this letter is also pronounced with a “w”. Therefore, the original name of this letter would have been “waw” instead of “vav”.

'''In regards to the consonant “W” in the name YHWH'''

Wāw serves several functions in the Arabic language. Perhaps foremost among them is that it is the primary conjunction in Arabic, equivalent to "and"; it is usually prefixed to other conjunctions, such as ولكن wa-lakin, meaning "but". Another function is the "'''oath'''", by preceding a noun of great significantly valued by the speaker. It is often literally translatable to "By..." or "I swear to...", and is often used in the Qur'an in this way, and also in the generally fixed construction والله wallah ("By Allah!" or "I swear to God!").

An '''oath''' (from Anglo-Saxon āð, also called plight) is either a promise or a statement of fact calling upon something or someone that the '''oath''' maker considers sacred, usually a god, as a witness to the binding nature of the promise or the truth of the statement of fact.
Chapter 69 of Enoch

This requested Michael, to show him the hidden name that he might enunciate it in the '''oath''', so that those might quake before that name and '''oath''' who revealed all that was in secret to the children of men. And this is the power of this oath, for it is powerful and strong, and he placed this '''oath''' (Akae) in the hand of Michael. ''(Akae) is not a word, it is most likely an authors note, it could mean, “Also Known As Elohiym” or “Also Known As Eagle.” Michael’s seal could be the double winged eagle found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The four winged Cherubim in Ezekiel may also have a relationship. ''http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwah


TOPICS: Judaism; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: arabic; elohiym; hebrew; holyspirit; yahwah
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1 posted on 07/29/2008 7:58:19 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

‘’’Yahwah’’’ is God’s personal name based upon the ancient Semitic language.
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Yes, and Orthodox Jews dont mention the name of God (G-d) because they consider His name too Holy to be uttered..

They usually use a shortened form...

Where’s the usual “religion police” ?????


2 posted on 07/29/2008 8:12:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
Did you also know that YHWH was replaced with LORD in the King James and subsequent versions of the Christian bible?
3 posted on 07/29/2008 8:13:15 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
Take note that the letter 7 in Biblical Hebrew was known as waw and pronounced as w

In case anyone cares, there is no Hebrew equivalent to our letter "W." (The letter in question would make a "V" sound if it were pronounced in the word being discussed but since the word isn't pronounced, it isn't. I suppose the letter "W" in German sounds as does our "V" but that's as close a relationship the letter in question has with a "W.")

ML/NJ

4 posted on 07/29/2008 8:13:15 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Tennessee Nana
Yes, and Orthodox Jews dont mention the name of God (G-d) because they consider His name too Holy to be uttered..

"Look, my wife just served me a particularly fine meal and all I said was 'that piece of fish was fit enough for Jahovah!'" ***Gratuitous Monty Python Reference***

5 posted on 07/29/2008 8:20:29 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: ml/nj

Maybe in your dialect, but in mine its pronounced waw.


6 posted on 07/29/2008 8:38:53 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
It is my understanding that the word is 'YHVH' however I think it is a safe bet that we can now rely upon the Word of God Himself, which states clearly that it is the Name of Jesus Christ, which is above every other name, the only Name that is worthy of praise, the only Name by which we are saved.
7 posted on 07/29/2008 8:42:12 PM PDT by mkjessup (PS - the world will one Day learn that "Dammit" is NOT God's Last Name...)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
Take note that the letter 7 in Biblical Hebrew was known as waw and pronounced as w,

The seventh letter is zayin, not waw .

The sixth letter is vav.

YHvH

Yod Hey (Yah) in Hebrew is the Name of Elohim.

vav represents man in Hebrew;

Vav is the number six in Hebrew.
Man was created on the sixth day.
Man works for six days
There are six millennia before the coming of the Messiah.
The beast is identified with the symbol of man "666"

Yah became man ( becoming the Pesach Lamb and shed His blood) for our salvation.

The letter "Hey" is the breath of Elohim. (Genesis 17:5)
When Elohim added a "Hey" to Abram and Sarai's names
making them known as Abraham and Sarah by breathing
the Ru'ach Elohim into them.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
8 posted on 07/29/2008 8:45:49 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Is nothing sacred ????


9 posted on 07/29/2008 9:03:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

On FR?


10 posted on 07/29/2008 9:07:16 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Did you also know that YHWH was replaced with LORD in the King James and subsequent versions of the Christian bible?

Yes, a fulfillment of prophecy.

Jer 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

Remove YHWH's name, but leave Baal's, go figure.

Exd 9:16 And in very deed for this [cause] have I raised thee up, for to shew [in] thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.

Somebody's hoping that YHWH's name will be forgotten and not spoken.

Now, here's a 'Did YOU know...'

That Baal, when translated into the Greek became (cough, cough) 'lord'!!!!

Baal = "lord"


1) the supreme male divinity of the Phoenician and Canaanitish nations, as Ashtoreth was their supreme female divinity

And lest anyone think that its ok, because it isn't capitalized, the original manuscripts had no upper and lower case letters.

11 posted on 07/29/2008 9:07:46 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: mkjessup
It is my understanding that the word is 'YHVH' however I think it is a safe bet that we can now rely upon the Word of God Himself, which states clearly that it is the Name of Jesus Christ, which is above every other name, the only Name that is worthy of praise, the only Name by which we are saved.

Highly unlikely considering the letter J didn't even exist at the time the NT was being created.

12 posted on 07/29/2008 9:13:42 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

“All the way with Yahway”!


13 posted on 07/29/2008 9:19:34 PM PDT by BatGuano (We're not playing Tidally Winks here!)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

...or the Children of Israel ‘gainst their foe, yelling militarily en masse, “Yah!!!”


14 posted on 07/29/2008 9:19:50 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Netizen
It is my understanding that the word is 'YHVH' however I think it is a safe bet that we can now rely upon the Word of God Himself, which states clearly that it is the Name of Jesus Christ, which is above every other name, the only Name that is worthy of praise, the only Name by which we are saved.
Highly unlikely considering the letter J didn't even exist at the time the NT was being created.


Well that's ok pal, you can ask Jesus Himself about that when He returns, and the way things are going, that won't be long.

See ya on Judgment Day!
15 posted on 07/29/2008 9:34:59 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it.)
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To: mkjessup
Well that's ok pal, you can ask Jesus Himself about that when He returns, and the way things are going, that won't be long.

Why would I bother with the son when I can go straight to our Father and Creator?

16 posted on 07/29/2008 9:47:59 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

The vowels are in fact anybody’s guess, and the pronunciation of vav/waw is a matter of dialect, so really we don’t know nearly enough to say we definitively know God’s true name.


17 posted on 07/29/2008 10:01:34 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Netizen
Well that's ok pal, you can ask Jesus Himself about that when He returns, and the way things are going, that won't be long.
Why would I bother with the son when I can go straight to our Father and Creator?


Because Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one cometh unto the Father except by Me."

That's why.
18 posted on 07/29/2008 10:12:48 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it.)
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To: BatGuano

I only worship the deities “Yahoo!” and “Yohoo.”

Oops, that should be “Y*hoo” and “Y*hoo.”


19 posted on 07/29/2008 10:17:40 PM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: mkjessup

“Because Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one cometh unto the Father except by Me.””

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Holy Trinity, Batman. Wasn’t Jesus supposed to be God incarnate? Aren’t Jesus and God (and the Holy Ghost) the same, but different, only the same, but different etc.? Shouldn’t that have read “No one cometh unto Me except by . . . uh, Me”?


20 posted on 07/29/2008 10:22:38 PM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: XeniaSt

I had to use the number 7 for the Hebrew letter waw.


21 posted on 07/29/2008 10:27:42 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
Yahweh, Yahweh
Ancient One yet you're here today
Ageless One, Changeless One
Showing love to all generations

Show us your glory, oh Lord
Let your goodness pass before us
Right before our eyes

And we will worship, and we will bow down
And we will call you Lord
And we will kneel before
The maker of the universe
And we will call you Lord

Yahweh, Yahweh
Faithful One, you have shown us the way
Through the years, through all our lives
You have shown you are faithful to the end

Yahweh, Yahweh

here is a beautiful song of Yahweh

22 posted on 07/29/2008 10:31:47 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness)
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To: Philo-Junius

The vowels are not anybodies guess. Vav is a modern day Hebrew vowel, Waw is the ancient semitic.


23 posted on 07/29/2008 10:33:19 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yes I do know that. Did you read what I posted?


24 posted on 07/29/2008 10:36:19 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: mkjessup
Yahshua never said he was Yahwah the Father. Read this: Exodus 23:21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
25 posted on 07/29/2008 10:41:24 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: mkjessup

What does he mean by ‘the way’?

Lexicon Greek 3598
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=3598&t=KJV

1) properly
1a) a way
1a1) a traveled way, road
1b) a travelers way, journey, traveling
2) metaph.
2a) a course of conduct
2b) a way (i.e. manner) of thinking, feeling, deciding

He was showing us how to live our lives.


26 posted on 07/29/2008 11:05:28 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: BuckeyeForever
Wasn’t Jesus supposed to be God incarnate? Aren’t Jesus and God (and the Holy Ghost) the same, but different, only the same, but different etc.? Shouldn’t that have read “No one cometh unto Me except by . . . uh, Me”?

No, it should have read exactly the way He said it.

The meaning is that without the redemptive Blood of Christ, shed for our sins, we are unable to be reconciled to God the Father, Who is sinless and will not and cannot tolerate sin in His Presence. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the Cross provided the one and ONLY way of salvation for humanity on an individual basis.

Jesus is the sole arbiter of who does, and does not enter His Father's Kingdom. You can parse the words all you like, but that is the bottom line.
27 posted on 07/30/2008 3:39:22 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
Yahshua never said he was Yahwah the Father. Read this: Exodus 23:21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.

Jesus said "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father." He also said "The Father and I are One". And He said "before Abraham was I AM".

Acts 4:12 "For there is no other Name under Heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
28 posted on 07/30/2008 3:42:42 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it.)
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To: forkinsocket
Maybe in your dialect, but in mine its pronounced waw.

What "dialect" might that be? Where is it, or was it used?

ML/NJ

29 posted on 07/30/2008 4:21:37 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: mkjessup

Jesus said “If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.” He also said “The Father and I are One”. And He said “before Abraham was I AM”.
If that was translated correctly, it would read: before Abraham was, I lived. Plus we are also called to be one with the Father through Christ. The subject is about unity, not trinitarism which is a Pagan concept. Scripture was altered by the Catholics to prove trinitarism as a bible truth. Are you a Pagan Christian?


30 posted on 07/30/2008 7:23:42 AM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: ml/nj

Iraqis, Moroccans, Persians, Lebanese, Yemenis.


31 posted on 07/30/2008 7:56:29 AM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: YHWH
"Behold my son, in whom I am well pleased."

32 posted on 07/30/2008 8:00:27 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: mkjessup
The meaning is that without the redemptive Blood of Christ, shed for our sins, we are unable to be reconciled to God the Father, Who is sinless and will not and cannot tolerate sin in His Presence. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the Cross provided the one and ONLY way of salvation for humanity on an individual basis.

Wrong.

Jeremiah 31
2 Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

Interesting thing about the exile mentioned in Isaiah 27

8 In measure, when it shooteth forth, thou wilt debate with it: he stayeth his rough wind in the day of the east wind.
9 By this therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up.

Their exile was their atonement and no blood was shed!

33 posted on 07/30/2008 8:13:05 AM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: Netizen; All
The meaning is that without the redemptive Blood of Christ, shed for our sins, we are unable to be reconciled to God the Father, Who is sinless and will not and cannot tolerate sin in His Presence. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the Cross provided the one and ONLY way of salvation for humanity on an individual basis.
Wrong.
Jeremiah 31 2 Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest. Interesting thing about the exile mentioned in Isaiah 27 8 In measure, when it shooteth forth, thou wilt debate with it: he stayeth his rough wind in the day of the east wind. 9 By this therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up. Their exile was their atonement and no blood was shed!


That was then (prior to the birth, ministry, death and Resurrection of Christ, this is now.

How do you propose to save yourself today?
34 posted on 07/30/2008 8:18:22 AM PDT by mkjessup (A nice legalistic attempt there ... the Pharisees would no doubt applaud your efforts.)
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To: forkinsocket
The Persian I knew certainly didn't speak that way. I think you're making this stuff up as you go along.

ML/NJ

35 posted on 07/30/2008 8:26:52 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Uh huh, I made up my own dialect.

Consonantal vav (ו) represents a voiced labiodental fricative (like the English v) in Ashkenazi, European Sephardi and modern Israeli Hebrew; and a Labial-velar approximant (/w/) by most Jews of Eastern origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waw_(letter)

Learn to speak Hebrew, ya homar.

36 posted on 07/30/2008 8:32:51 AM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
Jesus said “If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.” He also said “The Father and I are One”. And He said “before Abraham was I AM”.
If that was translated correctly, it would read: before Abraham was, I lived. Plus we are also called to be one with the Father through Christ. The subject is about unity, not trinitarism which is a Pagan concept. Scripture was altered by the Catholics to prove trinitarism as a bible truth. Are you a Pagan Christian?


I am a Bible-believing, God-fearing, Jesus-loving sinner saved by Grace and my tagline says it all.
37 posted on 07/30/2008 8:34:41 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it.)
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To: mkjessup
Name of Jesus Christ, which is above every other name, the only Name that is worthy of praise, the only Name by which we are saved.

IIRC, the name Jesus is derived from the phrase "God saves," as is the name Joshua.

38 posted on 07/30/2008 8:36:13 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62
IIRC, the name Jesus is derived from the phrase "God saves," as is the name Joshua.

Well I'm sure Jesus knows His Name, and I have personally witnessed the Power of that Name for it is written "He who calleth upon the Name of the Lord (i.e. Jesus), shall be saved" and I should be dead today from a wreck in 2003 the police told me I had no business surviving, but the last thing I shouted out as I watched my vehicle collapsing around me was "Lord JESUS save us!" and I'm here as a living witness to His Word, to His Mercy, to His reaching down and snatching me out of the jaws of death when I called out to Him.

I freely confess that I am not a great example of a Christian, I will tell anyone and everyone NOT to look to me as any kind of role model for good Christian behavior, but to look to the Lord Jesus, Who provided the best Example possible for all of humanity to follow.

Every day, I try to do my best, and trust Jesus for the rest. And I will keep doing that as long as He lets me keep waking up in the mornings.
39 posted on 07/30/2008 8:43:27 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ''''Yahwah''', the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.

IIRC, Jesus quoted the same to demonstrate that God is the God of the living and that there is life after death. But I didn't know that Yahwah itself means God of the living.

40 posted on 07/30/2008 8:49:18 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Vav is a consonant. Shuruk/milupim is a vowel which looks like a dagesh vav.


41 posted on 07/30/2008 8:50:15 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
When you cut and paste a Wiki article
without doing the research,
you get wrong every time.

42 posted on 07/30/2008 8:52:08 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: mkjessup
There was grace and salvation without shedding blood in the OT, so why would there suddenly be a need to crucify/shed blood?

Micah
6 Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?
7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

43 posted on 07/30/2008 8:59:32 AM PDT by Netizen
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To: Netizen
There was grace and salvation without shedding blood in the OT, so why would there suddenly be a need to crucify/shed blood?

So you are saying that Jesus dying on the Cross was unnecessary and not required?
44 posted on 07/30/2008 9:02:57 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup
So you are saying that Jesus dying on the Cross was unnecessary and not required?

That's right. Crucifixion is a Roman means of death penalty generally reserved for those they saw as a threat. The mission of Jesus was to preach a message of repentance, which he did.

45 posted on 07/30/2008 9:08:16 AM PDT by Netizen
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To: Netizen; mkjessup
Why then :

NAsbU Genesis 22:8 Abraham said, "God will provide for Himself the lamb
for the burnt offering, my son." So the two of them walked on together.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

46 posted on 07/30/2008 9:17:09 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: evets

Is that the “Mormom” Jesus?


47 posted on 07/30/2008 9:18:31 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Netizen; All
So you are saying that Jesus dying on the Cross was unnecessary and not required?
That's right. Crucifixion is a Roman means of death penalty generally reserved for those they saw as a threat. The mission of Jesus was to preach a message of repentance, which he did.


Well there sure was a major mixup on that Day at Golgotha, now wasn't there?

DO you know Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour?

Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing power?
Are you washed in the Blood of the Lamb?
Are you fully trusting in His Grace this hour?
Are you washed in the Blood of the Lamb?

Are you washed... in the Blood?
In the soul-cleansing Blood of the Lamb?
Are your garments spotless are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the Blood of the Lamb?

As I live and breathe, I tell you without absolutely any doubt, that one Day you will breathe your last, and if you die without Jesus Christ, your soul will be lost for all Eternity.

You can come to Him today as your Saviour, or end up facing Him as your Judge when it's too late.

If you do not know Him, choose wisely while you can.
48 posted on 07/30/2008 9:25:08 AM PDT by mkjessup (Heaven or Hell, the choice is yours. Jesus made it possible to choose Heaven.)
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To: XeniaSt
Genesis 22:8 Abraham said, "God will provide for Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." So the two of them walked on together.

Abraham was being tested, as we all know.

And I would suggest that it isn't necessary to worry about what Abraham said on that occasion, and that what is needed is to focus more on what Jesus Christ said about how to reach the Father.
49 posted on 07/30/2008 9:30:35 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: XeniaSt
Throughout the Jewish scriptures, the prophets declared that repentance and charity are more pleasing to God for atonement than a blood sacrifice.

Too, often people inject things into the text that are not there, trying to fulfill their own prophecies.

One could also view this instance as God didn't want the shedding of human blood and brought forth an animal.

Hosea 14
2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.

The 'calves of our lips'. Animal sacrifice was to be replaced with prayer.

50 posted on 07/30/2008 9:33:31 AM PDT by Netizen
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