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US female bishop Catherine Roskam: male prelates 'beat up wives' [Ecumenical]
Times Online ^ | July 31, 208 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 07/31/2008 6:56:43 AM PDT by NYer

The Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, has challenged an American woman bishop to produce evidence to back up her claim that bishops beat their wives.

Other bishops also criticised the US Episcopal Church's Bishop Catherine Roskam after she said at the Lambeth Conference in Canterbury that men beat women "because they can".

She said: "We have 700 men here. Do you think any of them beat their wives? Chances are they do. The most devout Christians beat their wives... many of our bishops come from places where it is culturally accepted to beat your wife."

About 670 bishops, nearly all men, are at the Lambeth Confernce in Canterbury, Kent. A further 230, mainly from Africa, have boycotted it because of the liberal direction of the Western church on homosexuality and other issues.

Bishop Roskam's comments are published in the latest edition of The Lambeth Witness, a daily newsletter produced by the Inclusive Church Network, a liberal lobby group working for the full inclusion of gays in Church life.

Bishop Roskam, a suffragan in New York, was speaking as bishops and their wives spent the day discussing violence against women. She said: "Economic downturn increases violence toward women, but you also find violence against women in the richest of households. You can't say it's only the poor who do it."

Her remarks provoked dismay and astonishment among bishops at the conference.

The Archbishop of York said: "I have never beaten my wife, although I can't talk about other people." He warned against a danger of "stereotyping" people because of the culture they come from. He said that Bishop Roskam should not throw out "aunt Sallies" which become divisive.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Other non-Christian
KEYWORDS: anglican; gaychurch; immoralityorg; lambeth; nonchristiancult

Bishop Catherine said that many of the 670 male bishops at the conference came from places where it was culturally acceptable to beat their wives (Ben Gurr/The Times)


Dr John Sentamu said he hoped that Bishop Catherine Roskam had got statistics and figures for her claims which could otherwise cause an unnecessary rumps (Catherine Mead/The Times)

1 posted on 07/31/2008 6:56:44 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/31/2008 6:57:30 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

American woman bishop to produce evidence to back up her claim that bishops beat their wives.

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Maybe they just don’t listen.


3 posted on 07/31/2008 6:59:49 AM PDT by Radl
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To: NYer

How do you say “Put up or shut up!” in prelatese?

Why do women make such outlandish claims? because they can.

I hope she is forced to back down from her ridiculous assertion.


4 posted on 07/31/2008 6:59:54 AM PDT by Adder (typical bitter white person)
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To: NYer
The Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, has challenged an American woman bishop to produce evidence to back up her claim that bishops beat their wives.

Good for him. I'm quite sure she won't be able to produce any such evidence, and he should be sure to make her failure to do so as public as her claim that it was occurring.

He should also remind her that false witness is a sin.

5 posted on 07/31/2008 7:00:01 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: NYer

we all know that president bush has only recently stopped beating his wife.

/s

feminists have used the behavior of 1-2% of men to define all of us.

but they never discuss like female behaviors.


6 posted on 07/31/2008 7:01:22 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: NYer

yet another reason why women are not Biblically authorized to hold positions of authority in the church.


7 posted on 07/31/2008 7:02:19 AM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: NYer

A female bishop is an oxymoron.


8 posted on 07/31/2008 7:03:37 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: ken21

Maybe she should focus on those religions that do advocate the beating of wives (& infidels)!!!


9 posted on 07/31/2008 7:05:46 AM PDT by catman67
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To: NYer

There may be Episcopal/Anglican bishops who beat their spouses, but it should probably be the other way around. Certainly, some way or another, the Episcopal Church needs to beat its bishops. (Not the way Gene Robinson would prefer, either.)


10 posted on 07/31/2008 7:07:46 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: catman67

How about the number of Lesbians that beat their girlfriends?


11 posted on 07/31/2008 7:08:21 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: NYer

I wish I wasn’t honor bound never to hit a woman. She could use a good beating. Any freeper women want to take matters into their own hands?


12 posted on 07/31/2008 7:08:27 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Adder

This works both ways, Madame Bishop-

I know of a female Episcopal pastor removed from her church duties in High Springs, FL, after physically assaulting her husband. The police were called in, so it is a matter of record. Women can be just as abusive if not moreso than men. Here I go again stating the obvious...


13 posted on 07/31/2008 7:09:19 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: NYer

Wow... the racism of the left becomes quite maddeningly naked when they can get away with it, doesn’t it? “From cultures where it is acceptable to beat their wives”? Meanwhile, the DUmmies are in histrionics because Spears and HIlton are shown in an Obama ad; they think the ad’s purpose is to suggest that the big bad black dude is gonne deflower white women.


14 posted on 07/31/2008 7:12:43 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

Wait a minute - are you telling me that in his downtime from his movie reviewing gig in Chicago, Roger Ebert goes drag and pretends to be an Episcopal bishop in New York?


15 posted on 07/31/2008 7:14:47 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: NYer

And soon in her church female bishops will be able to beat up THEIR wives. : )


16 posted on 07/31/2008 7:15:17 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: wideawake; NYer

It’s not just Ebert...

Look at that photo of Samuel L. Jackson getting in on the game below.


17 posted on 07/31/2008 7:16:55 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Vote for John McCain along with Tom DeLay, John Cornyn and the majority of conservatives.)
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To: ken21

As a woman I have more empathy for Men who love and choose to marry woman than vice versa.

If most woman are 10% near my moody/picky/gabby animated self as a female then men must constantly rope the bull in or say Ole and move out of the way.

JMO


18 posted on 07/31/2008 7:19:50 AM PDT by Global2010 (OKIE DOKIE)
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To: NYer

IIRC statistics show that lesbian relationships have the highest percentage of domestic violence.


19 posted on 07/31/2008 7:23:27 AM PDT by kalee
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To: utherdoul

>>Any freeper women want to take matters into their own hands?<<

I would get pummeled by her!!!!!


20 posted on 07/31/2008 7:25:59 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Why would anyone make "Hairspray 2"? (Free Corny!))
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To: NYer

Another arrogant American Episcopal priestess like Presiding Bishop Schori, who went over to the UK and lectured them about taking too long to allow female ordination of bishops and claimed that those opposing female ordination “don’t like women”. Ugly Americans indeed.


21 posted on 07/31/2008 7:30:17 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Awestruck

Oh come on, men in the church are just as stupid. All those child molesting female priests proves your point, right?

Being female has nothing to do with being dumb. People are dumb, of both sexes.


22 posted on 07/31/2008 7:38:50 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: dangus

Deflower those two? Ok, now my day has been officially kick started. Feelin pretty sleepy til then. That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in a while.


23 posted on 07/31/2008 7:41:30 AM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: Adder

Well, in Latin (the source of prelatese?) you can say shut up this way: Claude suam oram!

The better way to say it is “Tace!” That means “Be silence” in the most direct and brutal way.

In the Sistine Chapel, the museum guards yell “Silencio” at the crowds.

I have no idea how to say “Put up or shut up” however.


24 posted on 07/31/2008 7:55:02 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: wideawake
Wait a minute - are you telling me that in his downtime from his movie reviewing gig in Chicago, Roger Ebert goes drag and pretends to be an Episcopal bishop in New York?

Good observation. I'll bet nobody has EVER seen this Roskam broad and Roger Ebert in the same place.

25 posted on 07/31/2008 7:56:26 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: vladimir998

Thanks!


26 posted on 07/31/2008 7:58:33 AM PDT by Adder (typical bitter white person)
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To: NYer

Just looked up the statistics from Gay/Lesbian websites that deal with the issue.

Estimates are 25% of gay men and 30% of lesbians report domestic violence in their relationships.
The studies believe these numbers are too because some incidents not reported and some are not charged as domestic violence but as other crimes such as assualt/battery.


27 posted on 07/31/2008 7:59:11 AM PDT by kalee
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To: wideawake

By God, it’s uncanny!


28 posted on 07/31/2008 8:06:06 AM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: ken21

Of couples that commit violence against each other, I have know more women who hit men that vice-versa. It goes both ways and it’s wrong in either instance.


29 posted on 07/31/2008 8:16:36 AM PDT by Jaded (shaking dust from feet...)
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To: autumnraine
The Bible specifically says women shouldn't hold authority over men in church. Eve was deceived by Lucifer and was cursed accordingly. If you notice, most churches that allow female officials in church are the same as the ones that allow abortion, homosexual marriage, earth worship, and think the Bible is a bunch of moral stories, but don't take them too seriously.

As far as male priests molesting children, That comes from the errancy of Catholics denying marriage to their officials. 1Tim 4:1-4 says the bishops(1 Tim 3:2) should have 1 wife so it is a doctrine of demons to deny marriage. The pagan religions of the day were the ones that required eunuchs. The Scriptures specifically says that it might be advantageous to remain unmarried to be an evangelist, but if you are tempted to sin in your flesh, GET MARRIED. Homosexuality and fornication are completely covered in Scripture so there should be no doubt on God's feelings there. The institution of marriage was created by God to recreate His feeling for us. This is how we are able to understand the hurt that God feels when we commit adultery with other gods. We can relate to Him when we experience the pain of infidelity or the bliss of monogamy.

There are reasons God instructed us to construct our churches in the fashion He recommends. Women pastors= destruction sooner or later. Notice I didn't say women can't teach. There are many good women teachers. They are just not to have a place of authority over the church.

30 posted on 07/31/2008 8:49:43 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

I am sorry, but I strongly, and I do mean strongly, disagree with you.

Pederasty is not from not being able to marry. That is probably the most ridiculous thing I have read and it negates your entire point of women not being leaders in church.


31 posted on 07/31/2008 9:05:48 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine
If you find an unmarried male over a certain age, I would watch my children around him. How many homosexual men adopt male children vs female? How many lesbians adopt females over males? Why do you think that is?

I wasn't stating my opinion for most of the post, I was quoting Scriptures. If you feel the need to go to church with a female priest, go for it. This is America. I'm just saying it's not God's church. God describes His church structure in Timothy through Paul, fairly plainly. The traditions of men were looked down upon by Jesus and He spoke out against their practice in His Church. You can think that something has been wrong for thousands of years and we have figured out finally that women belong in the pulpit, but that is not in the Scripture. If the Scripture isn't your touchstone for what God wants, then what measure do you use, "feelings"?

32 posted on 07/31/2008 9:36:55 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: NYer

her remarks were clearly a put down of African bishops, most of whom are boycotting he conference.

liberal bishops in he US have been doing such since 1998.


33 posted on 07/31/2008 10:05:27 AM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: NYer

her remarks were clearly a put down of African bishops, most of whom are boycotting he conference.

liberal bishops in he US have been doing such since 1998.


34 posted on 07/31/2008 10:05:29 AM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: MEGoody
He should also remind her that false witness is a sin.

Someone need to remind all of them: "As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?" (1 Cor. 14:33b-36 NIV).

35 posted on 07/31/2008 10:23:51 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: chuckles
As far as male priests molesting children, That comes from the errancy of Catholics denying marriage to their officials. You mioght want to rethink your ideas, Molestation if far higher by Protestatns thean by Catholics.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=275x5312

http://www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm

And this thread right here on FR

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/659629/posts

36 posted on 07/31/2008 10:35:25 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: NYer

Bishopette Cather looks likes she’s been beaten ................
with the ugly stick.

(sorry couldn’t resist)


37 posted on 07/31/2008 10:38:47 AM PDT by PanzerKardinal
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To: chuckles; autumnraine
As far as male priests molesting children, That comes from the errancy of Catholics denying marriage to their officials.

The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.
Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

So much for your first argument.

1Tim 4:1-4 says the bishops(1 Tim 3:2) should have 1 wife so it is a doctrine of demons to deny marriage.

This verse refers to bishops that were widowers. Paul is instructing that these widowers could not remarry. The verse also refers to those bishops who were currently married. They also could not remarry (in the Catholic Church's Eastern rite, priests are allowed to marry; celibacy is only a disciplinary rule for the clergy of the Roman rite). Therefore, this text has nothing to do with imposing a marriage requirement on becoming a bishop.

The Scriptures specifically says that it might be advantageous to remain unmarried to be an evangelist, but if you are tempted to sin in your flesh, GET MARRIED.

According to Matt. 19:11-12, Jesus says celibacy is a gift from God and whoever can bear it should bear it. Jesus praises and recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church. Because celibacy is a gift from God, those who criticize the Church's practice of celibacy are criticizing God and this wonderful gift He bestows on His chosen ones. Jesus Christ was celibate!

38 posted on 07/31/2008 10:39:36 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: autumnraine

I wasn’t talking about being dumb.. what she said wasn’t dumb, it was feminazi..definitely not equipped to lead a congregation...

and women molest children too.. HOWEVER.. the only point that really matters IS.. the Bible says women shall not hold positions of authority in the church...period.. end of story.. only rules that matter.


39 posted on 07/31/2008 11:19:05 AM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: chuckles
As far as male priests molesting children, That comes from the errancy of Catholics denying marriage to their officials. 1Tim 4:1-4 says the bishops(1 Tim 3:2) should have 1 wife so it is a doctrine of demons to deny marriage

Pope Chuckles has spoken.

40 posted on 07/31/2008 11:32:19 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan; chuckles

f you find an unmarried male over a certain age, I would watch my children around him. How many homosexual men adopt male children vs female? How many lesbians adopt females over males? Why do you think that is?

________________________________

I wonder if Chucks would allow his children around that single guy named Jesus.


41 posted on 07/31/2008 12:19:23 PM PDT by Radl
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To: Radl

Yeah... 33 years old and not married... not even a girlfriend... spends all his time “ministering” with a bunch of sweaty, working-class guys... really close with his mother... hmmm...


42 posted on 07/31/2008 12:33:31 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: vladimir998; Adder
Silenzio is Italian, not Latin.
43 posted on 07/31/2008 1:16:36 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

You wrote:

“Silenzio is Italian, not Latin.”

I never said it was Latin. Thanks for correcting my spelling on the word, however.


44 posted on 07/31/2008 1:34:57 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

I wasn’t saying Protestants didn’t molest children too. I was making a point that being male alone does not a good church leader make.

And I still say being married does not make you not like little boys.


45 posted on 07/31/2008 2:45:59 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine
I was making a point that being male alone does not a good church leader make.

Let's take a look at those chosen by Jesus to be His Apostles:

Simon (a/k/a Peter), Andrew, James, John, Phillip, Bartholomew, Thomas, James (the Lesser), Thaddeus, Simon (the Zealot), Judas (the Iscariot) and Matthias.

Not one woman in the group! And there were plenty of women who traveled with Jesus and His Apostles. If Jesus had intended women to serve as priests, He would have ordained one of them - probably the greatest woman of all time - His own mother. But, He did not. Hence, the Catholic (and Orthodox) Churches, following the example of Jesus, cannot ordain women as priests. It's just that simple.

Why do you have a problem with our Lord's decision? Do you feel He was in error?

46 posted on 07/31/2008 4:04:54 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

I am not debating theology with you. It’s a subject I’d rather not delve into when people question me if I doubt God because I don’t view something the way they feel God intended for it to be.


47 posted on 07/31/2008 4:18:34 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine
I don’t view something the way they feel God intended for it to be.

Feel? This is not about theology or feelings. It is all about facts! Fact - Christ chose 12 men ... end of story. He had every opportunity to choose women; He didn't. Hence the priesthood is reserved to men.

In both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, the priest serves as "alter christus". When he speaks the words of consecration: "This is my body", he is saying it in the person of Christ. Christ being a male, it makes perfect sense that He would ordain only men to say those cherished words.

48 posted on 07/31/2008 4:49:28 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

If only they would let them marry they would not have this problem...err..um..yeah.


49 posted on 07/31/2008 4:53:37 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (A vote for third party is a vote for nObama)
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