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Atheist professor desecrates stolen Host (now know it came from London Oratory & kept with condom)
Catholic Herald ^ | August 1, 2008 | Anna Arco

Posted on 08/06/2008 5:57:39 AM PDT by NYer

Priests at the London Oratory have called for prayers of reparation after a consecrated Host was allegedly stolen during High Mass and desecrated by an atheist professor in America.

Several priests have celebrated Masses of reparation this week responding to a video posted on the internet of a young man taking the Host and later placing it next to a condom, claiming he was holding it "hostage" inside the prophylactic until the Pope changed his policy on contraception in light of Africa's Aids epidemic.

An evening of reparation with Mass and Adoration with prayers, litanies and silent meditation is planned for next Wednesday. Oratorians have also called on the faithful to make personal acts of reparation this week and next "for all the outrages against the Blessed Sacrament around the world".

"Close observation of the film and of the facts seems to suggest that this is not an elaborate hoax, but depicts something that really occurred," said the e-mail asking people to make acts of reparation. It also asked people to pray for "the conversion of the culprits, that they will answer God's call to repentance and open their hearts to receive His forgiveness".

The incident took place during the Oratory's High Mass on July 13 and was posted on the internet soon after. It said: "The Catholic Church forfeits all rights to respect for its ludicrous beliefs, including 'transubstantiation', while its anti-condom campaign in Africa results in tens of thousands of deaths."

It further said: "Just because you believe that the cracker has some special significance doesn't mean that I have to respect that ridiculous belief. I think the moral cost of disrespecting a cracker is a lot less than the moral cost of disrespecting human life; a concept that should be more important to you people."

A follow-up link to the video claimed that the young man had sent the host to Paul Myers, an atheist professor at the University of Minnesota who is thought to have further desecrated the Host by piercing it with a rusty nail and throwing it in the bin. In a post on his blog, dated July 24, Prof Myers wrote: "I thought of a simple, quick thing to do: I pierced it with a rusty nail (I hope Jesus's tetanus shots are up to date). And then I simply threw it in the trash, followed by the classic, decorative items of trash cans everywhere, old coffee grounds and a banana peel. My apologies to those who hoped for more, but the worst I can do is show my unconcerned contempt."

Prof Myers caused controversy earlier in July when he called a "Eucharist challenge" in which he incited people to steal consecrated Hosts from Catholic churches and send them to him so that he can desecrate them.

He wrote: "Can anyone out there score me some consecrated communion wafers? There's no way I can personally get them - my local churches have stakes prepared for me, I'm sure - but if any of you would be willing to do what it takes to get me some, or even one, and mail it to me, I'll show you sacrilege, gladly, and with much fanfare. I won't be tempted to hold it hostage (no, not even if I have a choice between returning the Eucharist and watching Bill Donohue kick the Pope in the ---s, which would apparently be a more humane act than desecrating a goddamned cracker), but will instead treat it with profound disrespect and heinous cracker abuse, all photographed and presented here on the web. I shall do so joyfully and with laughter in my heart."

His words followed a theft of a Host in Florida earlier this year which had American Catholics up in arms.

As a result of July's alleged theft and desecration of the Eucharist, priests at the London Oratory are urging worshipers to be vigilant at Mass and to receive Communion on the tongue. Communion plates have started being used at certain Masses again.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Worship
KEYWORDS: antitheism; atheism; catholic; eucharist; misotheism; myers; postedinwrongforum; thisisindeednews; uk
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1 posted on 08/06/2008 5:57:39 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
As a result of July's alleged theft and desecration of the Eucharist, priests at the London Oratory are urging worshipers to be vigilant at Mass and to receive Communion on the tongue. Communion plates have started being used at certain Masses again.

From desecration springs well of respect.

2 posted on 08/06/2008 5:58:48 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
Illustrating the banality of evil.


3 posted on 08/06/2008 6:05:32 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: NYer
From desecration springs well of respect.

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What seems at first to bring nothing but evil may instead, by the Grace of God, bring something good.

What a mystery life is.

4 posted on 08/06/2008 6:06:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

As P.J. O’Rourke so trenchantly put it, “I could throw up, but how would that help?”

What sickening people ... but God still loves them and longs for their conversion.


5 posted on 08/06/2008 6:06:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When life gives you habaneros, make hot sauce!)
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To: NYer
I'm not Catholic, but this was just messed up. PZ Myers is a petty, pathetic little man who has to do petty, pathetic things in support of his petty, pathetic worldview of evolutionary atheism.

Wonder how he'd feel if someone walked into the Smithsonian and urinated on the dendrochronology exhibit?

6 posted on 08/06/2008 6:08:15 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: NYer

The contraceptive mentality is an unhealthy mentality, as this pathetic creature demonstrates.


7 posted on 08/06/2008 6:10:47 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: NYer
priests at the London Oratory are urging worshipers to be vigilant at Mass and to receive Communion on the tongue. Communion plates have started being used at certain Masses again.

God takes evil and turns it to good.

8 posted on 08/06/2008 6:11:38 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: NYer

When this “person” Myers, approaches the gates of Hell, I want him to reflect on his actions.
What a louse, worthless shred of human debris etc. If I lived in Minnesota I would be on the phone with the Governor’s office right now demanding that he be fired.


9 posted on 08/06/2008 6:13:24 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: wideawake

Good catch! The Eucharist is life, and contraception is its opposite.


10 posted on 08/06/2008 6:13:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When life gives you habaneros, make hot sauce!)
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To: NYer

Sooner of later, physical violence against Christians will come from one of these “new atheists”—their hatred is so fierce.


11 posted on 08/06/2008 6:14:57 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: wideawake
"Prof Myers wrote: "I thought of a simple, quick thing to do: I pierced it with a rusty nail (I hope Jesus's tetanus shots are up to date). And then I simply threw it in the trash, followed by the classic, decorative items of trash cans everywhere, old coffee grounds and a banana peel. My apologies to those who hoped for more, but the worst I can do is show my unconcerned contempt." ",

If he said such things about the Koran he would 1) be terminated for 'religious intolerance' and 2) beheaded by islamofascist freak terrorists

12 posted on 08/06/2008 6:15:29 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: NYer

I am not Catholic. I find this act by the pervert professor disgusting. He must truly be terrified that he is bound for hell to be so intent on disproving the existence of God.


13 posted on 08/06/2008 6:18:42 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Thorin
I don't think Myers is really an atheist. I think he knows God exists and he hates Him with every fiber of his being.

He is Vanni Fucci.

14 posted on 08/06/2008 6:19:40 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Thorin

“Sooner of later, physical violence against Christians will come from one of these “new atheists”—their hatred is so fierce.”

Sooner, as in it already has!


15 posted on 08/06/2008 6:19:48 AM PDT by Free Descendant
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To: wideawake
He is Vanni Fucci.

Remarkable comparison, and so apt. (Google is my friend :-).

16 posted on 08/06/2008 6:23:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When life gives you habaneros, make hot sauce!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Exactly, find something that is “holy” to him personally and desecrate that. See how he would carry on.
There is a double standard in this country and unfortunately the only ones who fight back are the libs & muzzies. Naturally Catholics are not going to resort to their tactics but we must find a way to stand up to these animals.


17 posted on 08/06/2008 6:23:55 AM PDT by MarineMom613 (My son is My Hero!!!)
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To: Thorin

A couple of New Atheist jihadists:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=New+Life+Church+Shooting

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=europe+school+shooting

Most telling in the second example, the militant said he was: “a cynical existentialist, anti-human humanist, anti-social social-Darwinist, realistic idealist and god-like atheist.

“I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.”


18 posted on 08/06/2008 6:26:11 AM PDT by Free Descendant
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To: NYer
a concept that should be more important to you people.

Typical Liberal...all about "choice" UNTIL you choose differently than him. He's the elite so of course he should be the ONE to tell everyone else how to live.

And the prof...anther typical lib: He doesn't have the guts to do it so he's getting others to do his dirty work.
There's no way I can personally get them - my local churches have stakes prepared for me, I'm sure



Show a Mohammad cartoon and these guys will be all over you and your racist ways.....hypocrites.


19 posted on 08/06/2008 6:27:23 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Thorin

Better link for second example:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=finland+school+shooting


20 posted on 08/06/2008 6:27:40 AM PDT by Free Descendant
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To: Shady
What a louse, worthless shred of human debris etc. If I lived in Minnesota I would be on the phone with the Governor’s office right now demanding that he be fired

Catholics make up about 20% of the population. That's a lot of voters and Minnesota alumni. Do you thnk any more than an unbelievably tiny handful care enough to complain? These wounds are pretty much self inflicted.

21 posted on 08/06/2008 6:29:00 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: NYer

This clown will get a first class ticket to hell....no pillow and he sure won’t need a blanket.


22 posted on 08/06/2008 6:29:02 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: NYer
Poor Myers.

When he speared the host with a nail and tossed it in the trash and no lightning bolts appeared, he thought that he'd proved his point and that the issue was now closed.

It aint.

Just like the Jews who left Jesus to die on the cross assuming that he was a fraud after all and that the whole story was at an end. It wasn't. It was just the beginning.

23 posted on 08/06/2008 6:29:47 AM PDT by marshmallow (An infallible Bible is useless without an infallible interpreter.)
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To: NYer
Atheist professor desecrates stolen Host

Atheist professor proves to the world that he can behave like a petulant 8 year old.....

My guess is that God's glory remains undiminished and, unlike our Muslim friends, does not require us to spill atheist blood to recoup His honor.

24 posted on 08/06/2008 6:31:21 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: NYer
Hate Crime
25 posted on 08/06/2008 6:35:11 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: NYer

He should show the world the depth of his conviction and his courage by trying something similar on the RoP.

Atheist cowards like this “professor” would never dare desecrate a Quran or insult Muhammad because they know it may cost them their lives.


26 posted on 08/06/2008 6:36:51 AM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: NYer
There's no way I can personally get them - my local churches have stakes prepared for me, I'm sure

He flatters himself.

27 posted on 08/06/2008 6:45:38 AM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: NYer
A typical liberal who totally debunks the whole tolerance, inclusion and ‘Diversity Über Alles’ BS they love to spout at every opportunity

I suppose the rest of the libs will consider this sacrilege a courageous act. Hey professor, in the spirit of liberal tolerance and to further demonstrate your bravery why not flush a koran down the toilet next time. I shall sit here joyfully and with laughter in my heart as they rip your worthless head from your shoulders.

28 posted on 08/06/2008 6:48:55 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard)
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To: wideawake

If he was really an atheist then desecration would be a philosophical contradiction, and not hold any merit for him.


29 posted on 08/06/2008 7:00:25 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Mr. K
If he said such things about the Koran he would 1) be terminated for 'religious intolerance' and 2) beheaded by islamofascist freak terrorists

Exactly. It's always the same with these pissants. When jerks from PETA throw red paint on people wearing fur screaming "Fur is murder!" you notice it is usually some blue-haired old lady they target. It would show more conviction if they were to stand outside a Hells Angels club and do the same thing to the bikers leathers. If you feel that it is important to confront the religious by desecrating things they hold sacred, it is so easy to pick a religion that preaches turning the other cheek. These guys make me puke.

30 posted on 08/06/2008 7:02:28 AM PDT by tommythev
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To: NYer

Paul Myers: “Watch Me! Pay attention to me! Me, Me Me!”


31 posted on 08/06/2008 7:07:39 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: NYer
"Just because you believe that the cracker a condom has some special significance doesn't mean that I have to respect that ridiculous belief. I think the moral cost of disrespecting a cracker a condom is a lot less than the moral cost of disrespecting human life; a concept that should be more important to you people."
32 posted on 08/06/2008 7:23:45 AM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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“...a lot less than the moral cost of disrespecting human life; a concept that should be more important to you people.”

I’m sure that, since he is so very concerned with “the moral cost of disrespecting human life,” he is going to protest abortion, as well. Perhaps he could post pictures of trash that is removed from abortion clinics. It might have an even more visual impact that the picture he is so proud of at the moment. And he is, after all “so very concerned with the moral cost of disrespecting human life.”


33 posted on 08/06/2008 7:35:02 AM PDT by jgpatl (What was right is now wrong. What was wrong is now right.)
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To: Mr. K
If he said such things about the Koran he would 1) be terminated for 'religious intolerance' and 2) beheaded by islamofascist freak terrorists

Actually, he ripped several pages from the Koran and tossed coffee grinds and a banana peel on them as well. A photo of the desecration was sent to the 'appropriate' authorities ;-)

34 posted on 08/06/2008 7:36:09 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

wow- did he really? why don’t we hear THAT all over the news?

If he is going to be consistant then that is something...


35 posted on 08/06/2008 7:40:41 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. K
In response to this and other posts on this thread: for the record, Myers did, in fact, include a page from the Koran in the trash-heap desecration of the Eucharist. Obviously, I say this not to defend his desecration (he will pay eternally for it if his pride and bad-will do not lead him to repentance for it), nor to point to his "courage" (he has none really, the thousands of posts all over the web pointing out his hypocrisy relative to Islam merely goaded him into also using a Koran; as a self-defined atheist, I assume he "has no use for" the Koran, either), but to set the record straight. If we're going to continue heaping coals on Myers' head (and I'm all for that!), then we might as well be accurate. He's the one who should look foolish, not us. See the picture accompanying the thread indicated below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2051117/posts

36 posted on 08/06/2008 7:42:52 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: NYer

You beat me to it!


37 posted on 08/06/2008 7:43:49 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: lsucat; TeĆ³filo; NYer; Salvation; Nihil Obstat; mileschristi; bornacatholic; Mrs. Don-o; narses

“Dr. Sacrilege” here is proof enough that evolution is highly overrated. According to his faculty profile (http://www.morris.umn.edu/academic/biology/faculty.html), his main interests are developmental biology and neurobiology. Ironic, given the man has not developed a sound mind himself.

As Christians, our only weapon against “Dr. Sacrilege” is prayer, and plenty of it. He and his ilk will not prevail.


38 posted on 08/06/2008 7:48:58 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: Free Descendant

Thanks for the info.


39 posted on 08/06/2008 7:57:45 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: NYer

I have heretofore been somewhat indifferent between receiving in the hand or on the tongue, but this is certainly a good argument for the latter.


40 posted on 08/06/2008 7:58:10 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: NYer
while its anti-condom campaign in Africa results in tens of thousands of deaths

Sigh... No, if people would follow Catholic teaching on sexuality, there would be no AIDS. People are not going to disregard Catholic teaching and have sex outside of marriage and then turn around and say, whoops, I better not use a condom because the Catholic Church tells me not to.

41 posted on 08/06/2008 8:01:03 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Mr. K

Actually, I think he only desecrated an English translation of the Koran. It may be that the Moslems only venerate the Arabic version, so he should have used that one to be even-handed.


42 posted on 08/06/2008 8:03:00 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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Obviously, I’m disgusted with what Myers is doing. Why would he go so far out of his way to offend Catholics? I have friends who are atheists and there’s mutual respect between us. This Myers guy must have alot of hate in his heart.


43 posted on 08/06/2008 8:03:36 AM PDT by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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I think the moral cost of disrespecting a cracker is a lot less than the moral cost of disrespecting human life; a concept that should be more important to you people."

Why? At the end of the day it's all carbon anyway.

44 posted on 08/06/2008 8:06:36 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: NYer

this hurts my heart....


45 posted on 08/06/2008 8:35:34 AM PDT by P2B12 (St Michael Protect us!)
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To: Unam Sanctam
At the mosque, and for official studies, it seems that only Korans in the original Arabic are allowed. However, it doesn't take much to set off Moslems intent on being perpetually angry (and they are legion). So, to that end, it seems to me that pages from a Koran in English will do. "It's the thought that counts," and all that.

The Moslems might kill his body some day, but his desecration of the Eucharist will kill his immortal soul if he remains unrepentant. This, of course, is infinitely worse. In spite of our anger at what this unhappy individual has done, we should keep the heat on him primarily through our prayers for his conversion. Secondarily, keeping the heat of the spotlight on his actions should have as its end making it too uncomfortable for copycats to try the same thing.

It might also be the time for Catholics to petition Rome to end Communion-in-the-hand as even an option, nevermind a de facto norm. From its inception as a semi-defiant gesture toward some kind of badly conceived concept of "relevance," to its forced acceptance by Rome via widespread, unauthorized usage, C-I-T-H has never been a good idea, prompted by pure and lofty motives. And it has always left the Eucharist exposed to the possibility of desecration exactly aong the lines of what took place here with Myers. Hosts made from traditional recipes of wheat flour and water, easily dissolvable on the tongue, are the only way to go, especially in our demented times. Of course, in spite of Myers' intentions, Jesus is not really "harmed" in the way he imagines. But it is still unspeakable desecration, nonetheless. The Church needs to ensure that She does not facilitate this sort of desecration in any way, to the very end of Her power to avoid it. Let not the initial actions of a few renegade Dutch priests in the 1950's lead to further abominations, all in the name of some warm-fuzzy, misdirected "sign of inclusiveness."

Your Holiness, please get rid of C-I-T-H, ASAHP!

46 posted on 08/06/2008 8:37:40 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: NYer

This type of thing would be a hate crime if committed against any non-Christian or Jewish religion.


47 posted on 08/06/2008 8:48:17 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: magisterium
It might also be the time for Catholics to petition Rome to end Communion-in-the-hand...

On a recent trip to Eastern Europe I noticed that CITH isn't an option. Also, I saw NO lay distributors and NO girl altar boys.

CITH has always appeared to me as a sign of blatant disrespect, but of course after Vatican II the irreverance before, during and after mass is simply sickening.

48 posted on 08/06/2008 8:50:22 AM PDT by IbJensen (Ali Bama isn't going to make it!)
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To: NYer

Has Mr Myers lost self control? This is a very sad display of behavior.

The Church should pray for the unborn as a direct consequence of Mr Myers’ actions.


49 posted on 08/06/2008 8:57:03 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: IbJensen

Yes, in many countries, CITH is virtually non-existent. Under the norms established by Rome, each country’s conference of bishops is authorized to allow the practice, and, in turn, each individual bishop is likewise allowed to adopt it (or not) in his diocese. It seems that there are many countries in Eastern Europe that either do not allow the practice at all, or have catechized the faithful sufficiently that they feel no need to adopt “trendy options” just for the rush and thrill of employing them.

Attached below is a link to EWTN’s website, quoting the relevant sections from the documents that extend permission for the practice. Notice the concern about irreverence marked out in boldface by EWTN. Like, them, I wonder to what extent this concern is taken seriously by our bishops and priests.

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/expertfaqframe.asp?source=/vexperts/conference.htm


50 posted on 08/06/2008 9:07:56 AM PDT by magisterium
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