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The Underpopulation Problem [Frightening and Open]
CWR ^ | August/September 2008 | Michael J. Miller

Posted on 08/06/2008 10:15:02 AM PDT by NYer

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Michael J. Miller is a writer and translator.
1 posted on 08/06/2008 10:15:03 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
Europe, for example, is going to see tax rates go through the roof in order to support growing populations of the elderly. Who’s going to be taxed? Working people in their 20s and 30s. When you tax that segment of the population you impoverish it and make it less likely that they will have children at all, much less large families. And so you eat your seed corn. You put so much economic pressure on the young and reproductive that they stop having children.

The pyramid turned upside down. To reduce the strain, one can probably expect they will eventually legalize euthanasia.

2 posted on 08/06/2008 10:18:24 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Smaller families are more likely to need government. ergo leftists cooked this up.


3 posted on 08/06/2008 10:20:47 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: NYer
But the Muslims keep procreating at a healthy rate - they will crowd the infidels out in a generation or two.


4 posted on 08/06/2008 10:21:07 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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The US pro-population growth immigration policy will destroy this country. We don’t need 1.2 million legal immigrants a year and another 500,000 to 1 million more illegals annually. Since 1970 our population increased by 100 million, most of it due to immigration, and we will add another 167 million by 2060. Every major challenge facing this country is affected signiciantly or driven by our immigration policies.


5 posted on 08/06/2008 10:25:16 AM PDT by kabar
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The pyramid turned upside down. To reduce the strain, one can probably expect they will eventually legalize mandate euthanasia.

There, I updated it for you.

6 posted on 08/06/2008 10:27:51 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Most immigrants are on welfare to start and then the next generations have fewer and fewer children as they become more economically successful.


7 posted on 08/06/2008 10:29:26 AM PDT by neb52
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To: NYer
fewer people = less weight on tectonic plates = fewer earthquakes

It's all good.

8 posted on 08/06/2008 10:31:42 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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You impose government-run healthcare, you virtually guarantee a future of euthanasia of the elderly, disabled and chronically ill.

Socialized medicine sees sick people as a liability, not as customers. If the anticipated Social Security/Medicaid demographic meltdown continues a euthanasia movement will be inevitable.


9 posted on 08/06/2008 10:33:22 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: NYer

This was a good article about another flawed cornerstone in the liberal machine.


10 posted on 08/06/2008 10:33:31 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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Here is another point of view which I first published about 2004 and which must've touched a nerve judging from the flak I incurred. Alas, it is only more drearily true today:

THE POPULATION OF AMERICA HAS DOUBLED IN MY LIFETIME

If you have lost control of your local school system and you believe it is because liberalism is triumphing over conservatism, you are right but you have identified the symptom and not the cause: The population of America has doubled in my lifetime.

If you have lost control over your own real property, if your rights to manage, improve, and develop your property have passed over to bureaucrats, if you can no longer choose whom to rent to or whom to sell to, if you have lost confidence that your deed in fee simple absolute will protect you against a venal government or one wholly given over to interest groups, and for all of this you blame liberalism, you have identified the symptom but not the cause: The population of America has doubled in my lifetime.

If you are a rancher who has lost his rights to graze his cattle upon lands licensed to his family for generations, if you're a fox hunter who has been deprived of his sport, if you must wait three hours for a tee time, if you have given up taking the family to the Jersey shore because the travel time now exceeds three hours, if, after hours of travail, you finally arrive at the Jersey shore with your family and you find your neighbors to close, too numerous, polyglot, and uncongenial, know this;The population of America has doubled in my lifetime.

If you look at Broward and Palm Beach counties in Florida as-miracle of the jet age-suburbs of New York City, and you watch helplessly as the politics of these counties veer ever farther left potentially dragging all Florida and, with Florida, the soul of the Republican Party in America, be advised: The population of America has doubled in my lifetime.

If, as a parent or grandparent, you find yourself mightily boring your children or grandchildren with descriptions of how Christmas used to be, descriptions of a time gone by when shopkeepers were permitted to say, "Merry Christmas," when Christmas carols were really that, carols, when the public square was a place for the exuberant celebration of the birth of Christ, rather than a forum for the celebration of the pagan, then you instinctively know: The population of America has doubled in my lifetime.

If you are old enough to remember America before the vietnamization of America, then you must love your country and you see her "a shining city on the hill" as the last best hope for men.

You know what to do.


11 posted on 08/06/2008 10:37:55 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: neb52
Believe that if you want - you're whistling past the graveyard IMHO.


12 posted on 08/06/2008 10:41:04 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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Ping to read later, but this is also the root of the thorny immigration issue lots of the West is facing. Fewer, “better” people - but with an underclass to do the dirty work. Eloi and Morlocks.

Democracies might not be able to keep their cultural values enshrined in law if their native populations do not simply breed. The heritage of Western humanism (the democratic ideal as expressed.for example, in the Delcaration of Independence) will be voted out of existence one pesky civil liberty at a time.


13 posted on 08/06/2008 10:44:30 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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Isn’t a nation with negative population growth like a factory that sells its unused CO2 allowances to less environmentally friendly businesses?

Russia and China might have something going there...

14 posted on 08/06/2008 10:44:40 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Thank God for every morning.)
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Paul Erlichman is a ‘pop science and culture’ writer who made millions out of writing a series of books predicting world catastrophes from various inescapable doomsday scenarios.

As far as I know, not one of his scenarios has come to pass as predicted.


15 posted on 08/06/2008 10:49:08 AM PDT by wildbill
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For me and my reasoning, this entire problem started with the introduction of contraception.

Here are links to a current series on it by Christopher West. I will post another one today.

Sex Speaks: True and False Prophets — Part 4 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and the Language of the Body — Part 3 of 6 [Open]
Does Contraception Foster Love? — Part 2 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and Cultural Chaos — Part 1 of 6 [Open]

16 posted on 08/06/2008 10:52:42 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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And all of the immigrants will vote for it, as they don’t want to work to pay for old people who are not even La Raza.


17 posted on 08/06/2008 10:57:06 AM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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Europe, for example, is going to see tax rates go through the roof in order to support growing populations of the elderly. Who’s going to be taxed?

We will. Mark my words, U.N.-led "world social security" tax is coming.

18 posted on 08/06/2008 11:03:27 AM PDT by workerbee (Vote for Obama? No thanks, I already have a messiah.)
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Europe, for example, is going to see tax rates go through the roof in order to support growing populations of the elderly.

And yet no mention of the total savings to society from not having to pay to take care of children for two-decades or more, taxes to pay for more schools and more teachers, followed by the cost to parents and society of college and grad schools.

And no mention of the savings from fewer jails, less crime, lower insurance, fewer police, fewer judges--because the young commit most of the crime and traffic accidents.

So, if Europe took all the money saved from having fewer children and used it to care for their elderly instead, there would be no problem.

Which elderly they should also put back to work because 50's and 60's is too young to retire these days.

19 posted on 08/06/2008 11:57:27 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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A free-market economy is constantly looking for new markets for goods and services. The size of those markets is driven in large part by the size of the population. As a population grows, the demand for cars, houses, and other goods increases.

That's called a pyramid scheme, and is unsustainable. What's sustainable is a stable population level, with increasing levels of education and productivity, and a demand for increasingly better products, services, homes, etc.

The conservative argument—it’s really a national security argument—was that growing populations in Africa, Latin America, and Asia would destabilize the political situation in those regions and lead to Communist insurrection.

And to a large extent, that's what happened. Communism had a big setback when the Soviet Union collapsed (which it did in large part due to the plummeting birth rate, as people chose not to bring children into that miserable society). But other equally oppressive forms of totalitarian and self-serving forms of government took up the slack. Mugabe's Zimbabwe makes the Soviet Union under Khrushchev and Brezhnev look like a paradise.

Meanwhile in China, we may deplore the methods, but the resulting drop in the birth rate mimics the drop that Soviet citizens achieved on a voluntary basis, and the associated improvement in standard of living and education is now posing a major threat to the Communist establishment. The masses have gotten a taste of upward mobility and want more. Most of them are no longer forced to spend every ounce of energy scrounging for tomorrow's food for themselves and many little mouths, and this has allowed them to spend time pressuring the government for change (already with huge results, as the formerly unthinkable idea of private enterprise for profit is now actually endorsed by the government) and organizing opposition to government policies and programs via the Internet.

20 posted on 08/06/2008 12:08:44 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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