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Osteen's Wife on Trial for Temper Tantrum
ABC News ^ | Aug. 6, 2008 | GINA SUNSERI

Posted on 08/06/2008 12:49:28 PM PDT by Gamecock

Can a crankiness land you in court? The case of Sandra Brown v. Victoria Osteen is the story of a chance encounter on an airplane that turned into a nasty legal battle.

Osteen is the wife of popular self-help author and television minister Joel Osteen, who heads the Lakewood Church, Houston's largest congregation. Brown is a flight attendant for Continental Airlines.

The lawsuit, filed in Harris County Civil Court in Houston, alleges that Victoria Osteen "shoved, grabbed and pulled the flight attendants." The suit goes on to claim that Osteen elbowed Brown, who was the flight manager, while allegedly trying to get into the cockpit of the airplane.

Brown's attorney, Reginald McKamie, contends that Osteen has a dark side that the trial will expose.

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1 posted on 08/06/2008 12:49:28 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ...

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2 posted on 08/06/2008 12:50:45 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, "Am I good enough to be a Christian?" rather "Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: Gamecock

Suspect someone is looking for a payday.


3 posted on 08/06/2008 12:51:24 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (300 Million People Going Bust Over High Gasoline Prices and Hussein Obama Wants to Hug Trees.)
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To: Gamecock

I wish MEchell O would do something like this...


4 posted on 08/06/2008 12:52:41 PM PDT by Coffee200am ("We should all be living in mud huts and riding bicycles to avoid killing the polar bears..."/s)
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To: Gamecock

Don’t know which of my many prejudices should win out on this one.


5 posted on 08/06/2008 12:53:43 PM PDT by marron
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To: Gamecock
I'm not taking any lectures on religion unless it is via a private session with Melissa Scott.

Osteen gives me the creeps. He is the Reverand Ike what Pat Boone was to Little Richard.

6 posted on 08/06/2008 12:53:50 PM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: Gamecock
FAA fines Victoria Osteen $3,000 (also being sued by a flight attendant claiming assault)
Victoria Osteen and FBI have different views on what occurred aboard airliner
7 posted on 08/06/2008 12:54:41 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, "Am I good enough to be a Christian?" rather "Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: Gamecock
I still shake my head in amazement that this Minister took Christmas off to head to Vail, or whereever.

I mean seriously, Christmas and Easter are kind of "the big show" in his line of work.............

8 posted on 08/06/2008 12:55:10 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Nah. Only in the Christian church.


9 posted on 08/06/2008 12:56:02 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Don't blame the flight attendant, she's just doing what Joel teaches, going after her Best Life Now.
10 posted on 08/06/2008 12:56:44 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, "Am I good enough to be a Christian?" rather "Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: AppyPappy

Church of the Feel Good...


11 posted on 08/06/2008 1:01:22 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I mean seriously, Christmas and Easter are kind of "the big show" in his line of work.............

Dr. Charles Allen on Christmas morning at First Methodist in Houston .. early 80's. Best opening line I've ever heard to a sermon ...

He started with

As I was saying last year ...

12 posted on 08/06/2008 1:04:35 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Privatizing profits and socializing losses is no way to run an economy)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Had he not spent Christmas at a ski resort, he would not have been living his "Best Life Now"
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What would his sheep think? < /sarcasm
13 posted on 08/06/2008 1:05:03 PM PDT by raynearhood ("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
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To: tx_eggman

Ha - that is classic!


14 posted on 08/06/2008 1:05:45 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: raynearhood

I’m one of the few who neither bought or read his book.


15 posted on 08/06/2008 1:07:11 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I haven’t either.


16 posted on 08/06/2008 1:08:52 PM PDT by kalee
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Church of the Feel Good...

My son and his family goes to one of these types of churches in the DFW area. I call it The Touchy Feelgood Social Club and church. I've only heard them talk about the kids sports program, VBS, carnival and the church's pre-school. Never heard them say one word about the tenets of the church itself.

17 posted on 08/06/2008 1:09:36 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: kalee

Me three....heard him in an interview...not much substance there IMHO.


18 posted on 08/06/2008 1:11:44 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Never read it either. I’ve watched him (with pepto-bismol in hand) a few times. Kinda like Barney or a car crash. You don’t want to watch, but it’s such a travesty that you can’t turn away.


19 posted on 08/06/2008 1:12:08 PM PDT by raynearhood ("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
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To: ladtx

They are Christian Innoculation Centers. People go there to receive weekly vaccinations so they won’t come down with the real thing.


20 posted on 08/06/2008 1:12:27 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

Ohhhh. Subtle shot!


21 posted on 08/06/2008 1:12:31 PM PDT by GOPPachyderm
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To: Gamecock
I loved his dad John Osteen...

He looked a little like Mister Roger's puppet.
22 posted on 08/06/2008 1:14:00 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Gamecock
A couple more:
Wife of Joel Osteen Asked to Leave Plane
Wife of Joel Osteen Asked to Leave Plane (posted 12/20/2005)
Osteen family leaves plane after dispute (pastor's wife didn't follow a fa's instructions)
Pastor's (Joel Osteen's)wife involved in flight disturbance
Wife of Joel Osteen Asked to Leave Plane
23 posted on 08/06/2008 1:15:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
O RLY ?

24 posted on 08/06/2008 1:16:24 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: AppyPappy

Appy, in all fairness, our church isn’t exactly following the rules these days... or should I say my “former” church.


25 posted on 08/06/2008 1:30:16 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: raynearhood; ladtx; kalee
Have you ever heard Victoria's voice? Quite shocking to hear such a mannish voice from such a pretty woman..... I wonder how this "lady" sounds? lol
26 posted on 08/06/2008 1:38:41 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: Gamecock

I’ve heard things about this woman, but I do not know her.

I know what I have heard Joel say about her and it seems he sugar coats her. For instance, they were walking in their neighborhood and she was really insistent they live in a big house like their neighbors. Eventually they did and he put it as “she had the faith to get us there”. I heard “She nagged me until I made sure my beauty queen wife got what she wanted”

Of course I was not there...


27 posted on 08/06/2008 1:43:42 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Gamecock

Victoria’s Secret as she claims: “Some say that I’m just a cranky B!ch....but I’m not cranky”!


28 posted on 08/06/2008 1:48:03 PM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I mean seriously, Christmas and Easter are kind of "the big show" in his line of work.............

I would imagine that most used car salesmen don't work on Xmas, so why should Osteen?

29 posted on 08/06/2008 1:54:51 PM PDT by konghaakon
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To: konghaakon

I guess that’s kind of like Obama saying he doesn’t give his girls Christmas gifts...... why would he? ;^)


30 posted on 08/06/2008 1:56:26 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

We went to a bookstore where he was doing a signing. I was asked if I was there for the signing, and when I said no they looked at me as if I had 2 heads. I had no idea who he was.


31 posted on 08/06/2008 1:56:50 PM PDT by Grammy (Obama worked for 143 days as a Senator before deciding he was qualified to be President.)
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To: Gamecock

LOL “Co-pastor” Barbie.

If it were down to their brand of Christianity® or Nothing, I’d pick Nothing.


32 posted on 08/06/2008 2:00:12 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan

You bring up the co-pastor thing - I don’t get that. It seems most televangelists have their wife included as a two-fer. You don’t see the President of any large corporation bringing along is wife as a co-president.... are these wives that full of themselves that they need to be included???


33 posted on 08/06/2008 2:03:09 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: Gamecock

Name it and claim it baby! According to these knuckleheads Jesus was rich, rich, rich. They would call Paul out for his lack of faith for winding up in prison and getting his head loped off. Do a “jerico” march around your neighbors house and God will give it to ya....yeee haw! Send me some money and I’ll tell ya how it works.


34 posted on 08/06/2008 2:04:52 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: B-Chan

I heard the Osteen thing described like this:

The traditional church was about not offending God;
The liberal church was about not offending your neighbor;
Osteen is about not offending your navel.


35 posted on 08/06/2008 2:05:05 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, "Am I good enough to be a Christian?" rather "Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: autumnraine

I wonder if she has been nagging him to purchase their own private jet so as to avoid all the hoi polloi when they want to fly off for a vacation. Like Ken Copeland, Joel should tell his congregation of the gullible that, “God told me He wants you all to buy me the latest Gulfsteam!”


36 posted on 08/06/2008 2:10:22 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Cecily

All those big churches are scams as far as I’m concerned. I’m sure they help some in the community, but Crefflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, Ken Copeland, etc... live in luxery that most can only dream of.

They seem to ignore that part about the camel and needle.


37 posted on 08/06/2008 2:12:25 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine

If those guys earned their riches in an honest way that did not make merchandise of Christians or use the Gospel as means of gain, or if they inherited it, that would be fine.


38 posted on 08/06/2008 2:22:18 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: tx_eggman

Similar story from an Easter service. The priest welcomed the large crowd wishing a safe trip home for the out of town guests, then he said, “for those of you living in Lufkin, we do this EVERY Sunday!”


39 posted on 08/06/2008 2:24:03 PM PDT by BradyBug (Holy Rolling Redneck)
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To: Gamecock
Don't blame the flight attendant, she's just doing what Joel teaches, going after her Best Life Now.

Absolutely! This flight attendants good fortune would likely fall inline with Joel's teachings on the "Prosperity Gospel" ... friends at his church tell me that Joel says we are to "demand the land" from God ... hmmm ... "demand?" not in my Bible.

40 posted on 08/06/2008 2:25:11 PM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: ladtx
I just moved to Dallas and it is tough to not find one of those churches.....it is mega church central around here.........

I did manage to find a small non dom church about a half hour away from my home that made me feel at home the moment I stepped through the door....on my way to that church I pass a mega church that is the sized of a football stadium and I think they have shuttle buses in the parking lot with a back up on the freeway of cars waiting to get into the church...no thanks

41 posted on 08/06/2008 2:28:04 PM PDT by Kimmers (Liberalism: Where fun goes to die)
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To: Cecily

Exactly. I have no problem with people getting rich. I do have a problem with people getting rich from selling Jesus. Salvation is not a product to be marketed like soap or deodorant. The Osteens should sell all that they have and give it to the poor.

The priest in our little parish will never be mistaken for a rich man. His opinion is that no congregation should be larger than five hundred members, because that number is around the maximum that a pastor can know personally.

Evangelical megachurches and cults-of-personality are a fad that won’t last, thank God.


42 posted on 08/06/2008 2:31:22 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Cecily

Exactly. They got rich off of the business of the church and tax free I might add. How would you like to be rich enough to live in a literal mansion, private jets, numerous cars and not have to pay income tax? Sweet deal.


43 posted on 08/06/2008 2:51:04 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine
Exactly. They got rich off of the business of the church and tax free I might add. How would you like to be rich enough to live in a literal mansion, private jets, numerous cars and not have to pay income tax? Sweet deal.

They pay income tax, as does every citizen with an income above a certain level.

The 501c(3) Religious tax exemption deals with the Church Corporation assets, not any of it's paid staff.

That's not to say that the Osteens don't have a bunch of accountants arranging for them to write off a large part of their income, but Mega-Church ministers are hardly unique in that behaviour.

44 posted on 08/06/2008 3:06:59 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

The jet-in church’s name.

The cars- in church’s name.

Etc...

Tax exempt.


45 posted on 08/06/2008 3:34:28 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine
The jet-in church’s name.

The cars- in church’s name.

Etc...

Tax exempt.

As they should be if the Church owns them. Not unique to ministers.

Funny, why weren't they using the Church Jet that day?

46 posted on 08/06/2008 5:25:51 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

I was talking about mega churches in general.


47 posted on 08/06/2008 5:30:49 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
They pay income tax, as does every citizen with an income above a certain level.

Not if they structure things right. The salary would be taxable at normal rates, but not the housing allowance, the car allowance, the library allowance. I'm not sure how the cell phone allowance is treated.

For many pastors, half to 2/3 of the compensation is not taxable as income. And they can opt out of Social Security taxes.

48 posted on 08/06/2008 8:23:50 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
For many pastors, half to 2/3 of the compensation is not taxable as income. And they can opt out of Social Security taxes.

In other words they pay taxes. They are not exempt. That was the point, and i am happy that you conceded it in that statement.

49 posted on 08/06/2008 8:59:44 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: autumnraine
I was talking about mega churches in general.

i am certainly no fan of mega churches. In the small city that i live in which is about 30 miles North of Pittsburgh, there are several churches. None could be classified as mega churches, but until the mid 1970's many of those churches had memberships of 1,200-1,500. Many of the larger denominational churches (and to this day many Catholic parishes in the Diocese of Pittsburgh) had memberships that would classify them as Mega churches by today's standards.

i think that it is more of an attitude that congregations such as Saddleback, or Willow Creek project than it is their raw numbers. Frankly, we don't need the pastor of some "successful" congregation telling me how i can increase my membership, and that i should increase the membership for (fill in the blank) reason. They need to remember that it is God who gives the increase, and some gardens are bigger than others.

The minister's job is to plant, weed, and water.

50 posted on 08/06/2008 9:09:46 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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