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Face of the New Atheism (Nat. Cath. Register Interview of P.Z. Myers) (Catholic Caucus)
National Catholic Register ^ | 8/5/2008 | Jeff Gardner

Posted on 08/12/2008 8:39:39 AM PDT by Pyro7480

I never expected to become the one Catholic journalist to be granted an interview with Paul Zachary (PZ) Myers....

“Professor Myers, there is a palpable level of hatred towards religion on your blog,” I told him. “What’s the source?”

“Oh, it’s not hatred,” he said. “It’s contempt.” So began my conversation with PZ Myers....

...“I was brought up as a casual Lutheran and left the church when I was 14,” he said....

That Myers has the equivalent of a junior high school education in religion is glaring. He understands little about the history and function of the Catholic Church and even less about the place of the Eucharist in the lives of Catholics. When I told him that many have laid their lives on the line to protect the Blessed Sacrament, he recoiled in disbelief, saying, “Really? People really do that!?”

This premeditated ignorance toward religion doesn’t seem to bother Myers, however....

...I asked Myers, “You have... described Catholics as stupid, stupider, scary, dark age fanatics” and words that we can’t print. This language doesn’t strike you as bigoted?”

“Why should it?” he replied. “I am making honest characterizations of individual people.”

“But in desecrating the Eucharist,” I continued, “you have insulted and hurt thousands of Catholics. What do you have to say for that?”

Myers’ answer was true to form: “The whole silly part of this whole episode is that I’ve got so many people writing me and saying that I have seriously hurt them. But what have I done? I have thrown away a cracker.”

Father Loya also pointed out that in desecrating the Eucharist, Myers’ real target might be the Church — “like a little girl trying to hurt another little girl by pulling the head off her doll.”

(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: atheism; catholic; desecration; eucharist; myers
I'm surprised I didn't see this via FR search. Do read the entire article.
1 posted on 08/12/2008 8:39:40 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 08/12/2008 8:40:40 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480
Fr. Loya has hit the mark here.

For this man to be consumed with such hatred, he must have been hurt horribly sometime, somewhere.

A plain old garden variety atheist wouldn't be so obsessed and consumed with hatred for the Church. He would just ignore it, it would mean nothing to him.

I think Myers knows what the Church is, knows who Christ is, but is raging. There is hope for him.

3 posted on 08/12/2008 8:51:01 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I wonder what happens when you try to sharpen a ceremonial Knights of Columbus sword?


4 posted on 08/12/2008 8:54:43 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: AnAmericanMother

You are ‘probly right. Folks who don’t think the Body and Blood are anything special wouldn’t bother with this kind of infantile garbage.

Freegards


5 posted on 08/12/2008 8:56:35 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: massgopguy
Well, I can tell you that a ceremonial Knights Templar sword won't take an edge! It also spoils the plating.

- personal experience with just a tiny bit of the edge of grandfather's sword.

6 posted on 08/12/2008 8:57:55 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Pyro7480

“A confession of atheism is simply an honest confession of ignorance of any realities that transcend the human ego, nothing more, nothing less. And why argue with a man who not only clings to ignorance, but is proud of the fact?

“..For reason is only a faculty of knowing something indirectly in the absence of direct vision, while God is known directly, the same way one knows one is alive, perceives reality, or is aware of free will. In order to see something, it is not necessary to logically prove the existence of sight. Many of the most important truths are known simply by their “superabundance of clarity,” by pure intellect, not by the reason which is its servant. Reason is not Intelligence in itself, only an instrument of intelligence. Few things create more mischief than reason in the hands of an unintelligent or immoral wonker. .[..]Not for nothing did Richard Weaver say that “every attack upon religion is inevitably an attack upon mind.” Naturally there are many forms of stupid religion, for there is nothing touched by humans wonkers that cannot be made stupid. But at least religion as such does not exclude the possibility and priority of Intelligence, and therefore, Truth. ...” ~ Gagdad Bob

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2059633/posts?page=84#84


7 posted on 08/12/2008 9:13:31 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving a Phase-2 Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber!)
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To: Pyro7480
Myers’ answer was true to form: “The whole silly part of this whole episode is that I’ve got so many people writing me and saying that I have seriously hurt them. But what have I done? I have thrown away a cracker.”

I'm an agnostic, so I don't subscribe to the tenets of any religion.

But going out of your way to insult a particular religion like this is simply rude and childish. I don't accept that the eucharist is anything more than a wafer, but I do not see any reason to go into a house of worship and engage in such rude behavior.

10 posted on 08/12/2008 9:27:27 AM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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To: Pyro7480

Jeff Gardner runs a great internet radio network called Catholic Radion International.

http://www.catholicradiointernational.com/

Here is the specific cite for his show Ultrasound: http://www.catholicradiointernational.com/ultrasound.php

Scroll down here and you’ll be able to LISTEN to the Heart of the Matter interview Jeff did with PZ Meyers: http://www.catholicradiointernational.com/heartofmatter.php


11 posted on 08/12/2008 9:32:14 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Pyro7480; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
On his blog, Insight Scoop, Carl Olson posted the following commentary on this article.


Atheist: "Oh, it's not hatred. It's contempt."

The atheist is PZ Myers, the University of Minnesota, Morris, biology professor who recently desecrated the Eucharist and has acted like an emotionally-arrested, fifteen-year-old punk who just slashed the tires of an elderly neighbor just for kicks. Myers was interviewed by Jeff Gardner for National Catholic Register, and revealed not only his contempt for Catholicism, which is well-known, but also for history, intellectual integrity and common decency:

That Myers has the equivalent of a junior high school education in religion is glaring. He understands little about the history and function of the Catholic Church and even less about the place of the Eucharist in the lives of Catholics. When I told him that many have laid their lives on the line to protect the Blessed Sacrament, he recoiled in disbelief, saying, “Really? People really do that!?”

This premeditated ignorance toward religion doesn’t seem to bother Myers, however. He is an empiricist and counts as “true” only knowledge that arises from experience.

“Religion,” he continued, “has been selling everybody a bill of goods for so many years; it’s about time somebody spoke up and said that it’s a load of nonsense.”

I decided to call his bluff. “Has Christianity contributed anything to humanity?” I asked him.

“Well,” he said in a matter-of-fact tone, “there is this general property of religion — it’s great at building community. Religion has been a good thing for many individuals; it has brought them together and given them comfort. But over all, religion … holds back humanity.”

What, I asked, about the Church’s role in founding the first Western hospitals, universities, banks and even many breakthroughs in science? He interrupted me, irate and incredulous:

“No, people made those contributions to Western Civilization.”

That the Church was involved in the very foundations of our Western culture is, according to Myers, irrelevant.

“That’s like saying,” he continued, “that because for so many years people got smallpox, smallpox is to be credited for all the virtue men have done.”

As I talked with Myers I was struck by an irony: For a scientist whose job it is to observe cause and effect, he has a poor understanding of the cause, Catholicism, and its effects on world culture. He does not see Christianity as an elevating force in the world, but rather as a strange superstition — akin to banging a pot to scare away the moon.

Perhaps this will help do away with one of the greatest myths of our time: that scientists are objective, ideologically-free, and intellectually-balanced people who care only about the facts. Not so. Not even close. They put on their pocket protectors one pocket at a time, just like the rest of us, and some of them, like Myers, are intellectually brilliant in this or that scientific discipline, but are completely clueless about nearly anything else, including basic respect and common civility. That we are shocked that Myers talks and acts as he does indicates that the joke is on us—except, of course, it isn't a joke. It is, I think, far more common than most people realize. Perhaps it's time we stopped buying the bill of goods sold by those like Myers who claim to be intellectually superior and scientifically objective while all they really want to do is gleefully slash our tires. Kudos to Gardner for helping expose this jerk.


13 posted on 08/12/2008 10:01:27 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Pyro7480

Honor is due, Jeff Gardner. Well played.


14 posted on 08/12/2008 10:05:08 AM PDT by Petronski (The God of Life will condemn the Chinese government. Laogai means GULAG.)
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To: NYer

Olson is awesome.


15 posted on 08/12/2008 10:06:54 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
Perhaps this will help do away with one of the greatest myths of
our time: that scientists are objective, ideologically-free,
and intellectually-balanced people who care only about the facts.
Not so. Not even close.


Anyone that believes that scientists are totally dispassionate
observers/experimenters hasn't worked with them.
Or listened to them for any length of time.

And I'm not knocking them. Just noting they have foibles,
like any mortal.
16 posted on 08/12/2008 10:17:40 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Wuli
This thread is tagged "Catholic Caucus" in the Religion Forum.

If you are not Catholic, you are not a member of the caucus and must not post here.

Click on my profile page for more guidelines pertaining to the Religion Forum.

17 posted on 08/12/2008 10:35:20 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I thought agreeing/respectful posts by non-Caucus members were tolerated on Caucus threads as well. Otherwise, there’s a post above by an agnostic that needs to be removed as well.


18 posted on 08/12/2008 10:41:34 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480
The one posting a caucus can invite non-caucus members to attend, much like one would invite non-Catholic friends to Mass. The other non-caucus member poster is here with your blessing.

But when a non-caucus member crashes through the closed doors or is otherwise not welcome (pings to the mods, abuse reports, Freepmails etc.) - his posts will be removed and he will be "invited" to leave.

19 posted on 08/12/2008 10:48:21 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Pyro7480

“But even in this inverted action, don’t you see what Christ is doing? He is, once again, going to the cross so that we may draw nearer to him,” said the priest. “Rather than coming down on us with fire, as we might deserve, he is loving us through his humiliation and suffering, turning us back to him.”

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Wow! Father Loya’s words are quite humbling here.


20 posted on 08/12/2008 11:44:28 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: Ransomed

Folks who don’t think the Body and Blood are anything special wouldn’t bother with this kind of infantile garbage.

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This guy is clearly a satanist and so knows quite well the power of the Eucharist.


21 posted on 08/12/2008 11:46:29 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: AnAmericanMother
Chesterton once said "if there was no God, there would be no atheists."

He could have been talking about Myers.

22 posted on 08/12/2008 11:47:24 AM PDT by marshmallow (An infallible Bible is useless without an infallible interpreter.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
For this man to be consumed with such hatred, he must have been hurt horribly sometime, somewhere.

I suspect that of the Dawkins/Hitchens crowd.

23 posted on 08/12/2008 11:55:20 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (Whatever that raving thug false prophet in Florida is called, I want to be called something else.)
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To: Lee N. Field

Me, too. How these ostensibly intelligent men of science can seriously subscribe to an idea as blatantly ridiculous as materialism (”If I can’t poke it with a stick, it doesn’t exist”) has always baffled me. Even when I myself was an agnostic, I knew deep in my heart that life was more than just an otiose accident.

I pity this poor man. How he must hurt.


24 posted on 08/12/2008 12:09:32 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Pyro7480

bump


25 posted on 08/12/2008 12:35:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Pyro7480

I now that these professors specialize but it is sad that there is someone so ignorant teaching others. He is less than narrow-minded, his mind is closed, I pray that God will give him grace.


26 posted on 08/12/2008 12:46:58 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Pyro7480

My theory is that the man is possessed. Go to his blog and post the St. Michael prayer.


27 posted on 08/12/2008 1:17:44 PM PDT by Antoninus (McCain/Palin in 2008!)
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To: NYer

This is akin to believing that Movie Stars are capable of speaking out responsibly on such subjects as Global Warming and Nuclear Winter because they have made $millions playing scientists in science fiction movies.

Or that I ought to be a brilliant mathematician becaause I am brilliant in English and Languages Generally.

As my SAT scores demonstrate (725 in English, 341 in Math) it is possible to be brilliant in one field and stupid in another.


28 posted on 08/14/2008 4:11:45 AM PDT by Appleby
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