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Should the motto "In God We Trust" be removed from U.S. currency?
MSNBC ^

Posted on 08/16/2008 7:39:09 AM PDT by Chong

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103424/

Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ Pledge of Allegiance foe Newdow sues to remove motto from U.S. currency

updated 9:09 p.m. CT, Fri., Nov. 18, 2005 SAN FRANCISCO - An atheist who has spent four years trying to ban the Pledge of Allegiance from being recited in public schools is now challenging the motto printed on U.S. currency because it refers to God.

Michael Newdow seeks to remove “In God We Trust” from U.S. coins and dollar bills, claiming in a federal lawsuit filed Thursday that the motto is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.

Newdow, a Sacramento doctor and lawyer, used a similar argument when he challenged the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools because it contains the words “under God.”

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TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antitheist; churchandstate; firstamendment; god; ingodwetrust; motto; msnbc; oldnews; purge

1 posted on 08/16/2008 7:39:09 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Chong

I’d say they should use a bank card, and STFU...


2 posted on 08/16/2008 7:42:02 AM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: Chong

There are some “Fundamental Athiests”. They are just as wacko and dogmatic as the most extreme religions.

I read an athiest blog the other day and it was talking about people not wanting to use “Thank God it’s Friday” and how absolutely ridiculous and dogmatic that is. Even the skeptic/atheists recognize the wackos.

I don’t understand how if you don’t believe in something, how is it offensive?


3 posted on 08/16/2008 7:43:39 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Chong; All

I can answer this in 2 words....

HECK NO!

Our country was founded in a faith in GOD, and it should remain that way.

If we turn our backs on HIM, HE will turn his back on us, and then where will we be.......


4 posted on 08/16/2008 7:44:18 AM PDT by TMSuchman (If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you'll ever imagine!)
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To: Chong
Should the motto "In God We Trust" be removed from U.S. currency?

No.
5 posted on 08/16/2008 7:51:54 AM PDT by monkeycard (There's no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: KoRn

Yup!


6 posted on 08/16/2008 7:53:42 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Chong

Well, if all goes wrong, it could soon be “In Obama We Trust”.


7 posted on 08/16/2008 7:53:42 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: autumnraine

Extremests in any direction is dangerous indeed. Aw geez, shouldn’t they be boycotting TGIF restaurants too???


8 posted on 08/16/2008 7:53:42 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Chong

Mikey, if you’re so disgusted with that stuff that says “In God We Trust,” then can I have yours?


9 posted on 08/16/2008 7:54:12 AM PDT by RPTMS
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To: Chong

No.


10 posted on 08/16/2008 7:58:02 AM PDT by Vision (The light of the body is the eye, if your eye is true all your body will be full of light. Matt 6:22)
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To: TMSuchman

In God We DO Trust!


11 posted on 08/16/2008 7:59:49 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Always Right

How the heck did it come down to Hussein Osama Obama and McCain? I am still shaking my head.


12 posted on 08/16/2008 7:59:57 AM PDT by Chong
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To: RPTMS

The BEST answer yet! LOL!


13 posted on 08/16/2008 7:59:59 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Chong
There was talk that the Post Office would eliminate or has already done so the words, “IN GOD WE TRUST” from any government items.

My son wrote me an e-mail and suggested that the best way to counteract this stupidity is simple. Write or print the words, IN GOD WE TRUST” on the back of all your envelopes and also, as an aside, print those words as a signature line at the end of all your e-mails.

IN GOD WE TRUST -:)

14 posted on 08/16/2008 8:01:48 AM PDT by GOPologist (Illigitimi non carborundum.)
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To: Chong
How the heck did it come down to Hussein Osama Obama and McCain? I am still shaking my head.

The same way Dole won the GOP nomination, a combination of by default and seniority. Obama won because the far-left wackos thought the Dems had the Presidency in the bag, and they overplayed their hand by nominating someone who shares their wacky views. Hillary would have been much more electable, as she is well versed into how to pretend to be moderate.

15 posted on 08/16/2008 8:03:46 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Chong

I fail to see the importance of this one way or another. I don’t care if they put “In God We Trust” or “Whomp-bomp-a-loom-bop-a-lop-bam-boom” so long as it pays the bills.


16 posted on 08/16/2008 8:09:02 AM PDT by ravensandricks (Jesus rides beside me. He never buys any smokes.)
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To: TMSuchman
"If we turn our backs on HIM, HE will turn his back on us, and then where will we be.......

I believe that has already happened...

17 posted on 08/16/2008 8:11:13 AM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: TMSuchman
Our country was founded in a faith in GOD, and it should remain that way.

Then why was that phrase absent from the currency until the Cold War? I'm an atheist who doesn't give a hoot one way or the other, but I'm surprised that religionists don't find it some sort of sacrilege to have the name of their deity on "filthy lucre", as it's called in Timothy.

18 posted on 08/16/2008 8:17:30 AM PDT by hunter112 (The 'straight talk express' gets the straight finger express from me.)
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To: GOPologist

Great idea.

IN GOD WE TRUST.


19 posted on 08/16/2008 8:21:28 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Chong

Just checked and it’s 49% for yes and 51% for No. Hmmm... Could this have been DUMMIEfied? I’d go over there to check, but don’t feel like bleach bath today...


20 posted on 08/16/2008 8:21:30 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Always Right

I ran into some websites that the Hitlary! supports got together backing McCain. Call themselves McCain Dem’s. Ironic, ain’t it? Cat fights on both sides...


21 posted on 08/16/2008 8:21:30 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Chong

What do they want on the money “In Liberals We Trust”?


22 posted on 08/16/2008 8:22:49 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Chong

Better leave it on. The only thing you can trust about the dollar anymore.


23 posted on 08/16/2008 8:23:13 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: autumnraine

Which Religion?

Methodism? Are they the only ones who say G-d?
Reform Judism?
Islam?
Presbyterianism?

Oh, any religion (except atheism). Then it is not offensive to religion, or doesnt support a religion, just doesn’t support YOUR religion, Mr. Newdow.

Yes, I am an atheist. I recognize him as a wacko.


24 posted on 08/16/2008 8:30:19 AM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: Chong
The Supreme Court has already ruled on this, in favor of the Motto. Not only should the NewDow case be thrown out, he and his attorney should be ordered to pay fat amounts of fees and costs for filing a frivolous case.

John / Billybob

25 posted on 08/16/2008 8:30:32 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.theacru.org)
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To: Chong

*sigh* Newdow again


26 posted on 08/16/2008 8:33:51 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Chong
This is old news from: 18 November 2005

Update from 12 June 2006:

Judge turns down atheist's suit challenging 'In God We Trust'

27 posted on 08/16/2008 8:54:23 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Alex Murphy

Yeah, him again. Wonder what that “fragile” soul will be “offended” by next?


29 posted on 08/16/2008 9:12:47 AM PDT by Chong (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

OOPS! Maybe I can’t READ! Just noticed the date. Thanks.

Note to self: Do not ASSuME that something is current just because it’s in the inbox.


30 posted on 08/16/2008 9:12:50 AM PDT by Chong (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Chong
to remove “In God We Trust”

Then the secular humanists can substitute: in the state we trust

32 posted on 08/16/2008 9:38:43 AM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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To: Trajan88

LOVED the way you put it. You get my DITTO.


33 posted on 08/16/2008 9:42:43 AM PDT by Chong (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: moder_ator

Hey, I see y’all have been busy. Thanks for all the work you put in.


34 posted on 08/16/2008 9:46:02 AM PDT by Chong (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Chong; Gamecock; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; enat
Should the motto "In God We Trust" be removed from U.S. currency?

Yes!

We should change it to: "In Jesus Christ We Trust."

I think we need to be a little more specific about the God we place our trust in.

Carry on.

35 posted on 08/16/2008 11:01:28 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; Chong; Gamecock; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; enat
In Jesus Christ we trust

Rotflol!

That'll sail through Congress. They're good at approving things that haven't been true in this nation for a long time.

36 posted on 08/16/2008 11:51:27 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: P-Marlowe

We should change it to: “In Jesus Christ We Trust.”

I agree .


37 posted on 08/16/2008 2:20:11 PM PDT by navygal (retired navy and proud of it.)
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To: Chong
Yes it should be removed for this very reason America does not trust in God anymore.

Because if we did, we would not be interfering in other nations business without being asked. We would not be in debt up to our collective butts either. The list could go on and on.

38 posted on 08/16/2008 3:49:22 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Chong; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; enat
Great idea. As you said, this country is fairly comfortable with phrases like "some power beyond us" and "master-builder" and "Sasquatch."

It's an intentionally far cry from "Jesus Christ, Lord, Savior, Kinsman Redeemer, Light of the World, and the only reality by whom all things consist."

39 posted on 08/16/2008 4:00:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Chong
Michael Newdow seeks to remove “In God We Trust” from U.S. coins and dollar bills, claiming in a federal lawsuit filed Thursday that the motto is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.

It's not an endorsment of religion, it's just a statement of fact.

40 posted on 08/16/2008 4:02:29 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: KoRn
I’d say they should use a bank card, and STFU...

LOL! I agree!

41 posted on 08/16/2008 4:04:23 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Chong

In God We Trust....

Everyone else pays cash....


42 posted on 08/16/2008 4:09:44 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: Chong
I read this and at the same time am listening to Red Skeletons reciting of the pledge of allegiance.
43 posted on 08/16/2008 4:20:20 PM PDT by navygal (retired navy and proud of it.)
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To: Chong

Michael Newdow


Michael Newdow: "As I'm standing in line, I'm looking at the twenty dollar bill, and it says 'In God We Trust.' What the heck is this doing here? It just had never hit me. I looked at the ten dollar bill. 'In God We Trust.' And the five and the one and all the change. I thought, 'What is going on here? I don't trust in God. I'm an American.'"

"As I thought about it, I realized that the case to get 'under God' out of the pledge was stronger."

Atheist Alliance International Convention that's coming up for the weekend of September 25th - 28th

Michael Newdow (the plaintiff in the suit against "under God" in the pledge) and Jeremy Hall (the plaintiff in the suit against atheist discrimination in the army) will be there

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In his suit, the doctor essentially claimed that his 10-year-old daughter was being brainwashed every time she was prompted to recite the Pledge in her elementary school classroom.

he doesn't have legal standing to sue on behalf of his daughter. The girl's mother, Sandra Banning, happens to be a devout Christian, so no help there.

Newdow claims he was the victim of date rape, perpetrated by Banning during a camping trip at Yosemite National Park. "I specifically said 'no' multiple times before and during [sex]. Was I forced into being a father? Yeah." He also sometimes refers to himself (even in some court documents) as "The Rev. Dr. Michael Newdow, Esq." of the "First Amendmist Church of True Science".

Banning told reporters Wednesday, “The first day of third grade she (her daughter) volunteered — she was the first one to raise her hand to lead the class in reciting the pledge.”

44 posted on 08/16/2008 4:20:50 PM PDT by kcvl
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In 2005, Newdow sued Congress and several federal officials, arguing that making money with the motto on it violated the First Amendment clause requiring the separation of church and state.

Last year, a federal judge in Sacramento disagreed, saying the words did not violate Newdow’s atheism. Newdow appealed.


45 posted on 08/16/2008 4:21:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

One thing I will never understand is how people like Newdow trust in man ( which will let us down, and has many times). But not trust in God (who never lets us down).


46 posted on 08/16/2008 4:24:06 PM PDT by navygal (retired navy and proud of it.)
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To: Chong

Hollywood spent a mind-boggling $180 million to bring author Philip Pullman’s celebrated anti-religious novel, The Golden Compass, to the silver screen, but essentially stripped the work of its devastating attack on organized religion.

On the eve of the film’s release, we asked America’s most famous atheist, Dr. Michael Newdow, how he feels about this. Dr. Newdow is a California attorney and physician best known for his efforts to ban schools from reciting the Pledge of Allegiance because of the phrase “under God.”

By Michael Newdow 12.07.07

While the Catholic League maintains its animus towards The Golden Compass, one hopes that it will support this notion of government neutrality. Unfortunately, that seems unlikely. It was a Catholic organization, after all, that was the key group behind the 1954 alteration of the Pledge of Allegiance. In that year, the Knights of Columbus lobbied Congress to modify the words “one Nation indivisible” so that “one Nation under God, indivisible” (italics added) is what is now recited in our public schools. They still congratulate themselves over the change.

Interestingly, Catholics in the founding era were very much treated like the atheists of today. Our Founding Fathers literally hated the Catholics.

The Rev. Dr. Michael Newdow is a minister in the First Atheist Church of True Science

http://tinyurl.com/6s2r6h

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atheist story described a Sunday gathering of freethinkers, humanists and atheists at Waterfront Park in Old Sacramento on what was dubbed Freethought Day, “a celebration of reason and church/state separation.”

The story was the page’s centerpiece, with a large photo of Michael Newdow singing into a microphone on a lonely stage with nary another human in sight.

Newdow is Sacramento’s famous atheist, a Godless news magnet.


47 posted on 08/16/2008 4:32:58 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: navygal

Newdow is an atheist and an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church. In 1997, he started an organization called FACTS (First Amendment Church of True Science), which advocates strong separation of church and state in public institutions

He told Brown Alumni Magazine that he can’t remember ever believing in God, saying, “I was born an atheist.”

In a November 14, 2005 interview with Fox News’s Neil Cavuto, Newdow compared “In God We Trust” appearing on United States currency with segregation (specifically separate drinking fountains), saying, “How can you not compare those? What is the difference there? Both of them [whites and blacks] got equal water. They both had access. It was government saying that it’s okay to separate out these two people on the basis of race. Here we’re saying it’s okay to separate two people on the basis of their religious beliefs.”

In November 2002, Newdow was given the Freethinker of the Year award by the Freedom From Religion Foundation following the Pledge case.


48 posted on 08/16/2008 4:37:17 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Mr, Newdow is just a bitter person.


49 posted on 08/17/2008 4:42:51 AM PDT by navygal (retired navy and proud of it.)
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To: GOPologist
My son wrote me an e-mail and suggested that the best way to counteract this stupidity is simple. Write or print the words, IN GOD WE TRUST” on the back of all your envelopes and also, as an aside, print those words as a signature line at the end of all your e-mails.

You can legally have your own stamps printed with just about any image, logo or words you wish.

http://www.usps.com/postagesolutions/customizedpostage.htm

50 posted on 08/18/2008 7:14:01 AM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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