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I thought this might be an interesting discussion. Another thread mentions that the apostles were the first priests.
1 posted on 08/17/2008 4:07:18 PM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 08/17/2008 4:07:50 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

I just want to note that Judas, though a disciple, was not an apostle.

Paul was not a disciple, but was an apostle.


4 posted on 08/17/2008 4:12:38 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: Salvation
I firmly believe that John did not die as a martyr because he was at the foot of the cross when Jesus died.

He was willing to be discovered as a follower of Jesus, when everyone else fled in fear.

5 posted on 08/17/2008 4:13:27 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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Which of the 12 apostles were martyred? All except one.

Oops... Judas wasn't martyred as your list points out; he committed suicide. So technically it should read "All except two."

10 posted on 08/17/2008 4:19:25 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Salvation

Shadrach, Mesahach, and Abednego?


13 posted on 08/17/2008 4:22:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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Only St. John, the writer of the Gospel with his name and the Book of Revelation died a natural death. It is believed he died near the year 100 A.D.

BTW-There is at least one early Church father writings (Clements) that makes it plausible for John to have died around 70AD. This is often used in debating the date of Revelation.

14 posted on 08/17/2008 4:23:27 PM PDT by HarleyD
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Uhhhhh....not Paul?


24 posted on 08/17/2008 4:32:38 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals? FREE LAZAMATAZ!)
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To: Salvation

Traditionally, only St. John escaped martyrdom.

The information about the passions of the various apostles was pretty well known and recorded fairly consistantly in the stained glass and paintings of the Middle Ages.

Two other sources that pretty much verify your opening post are the Catholic “Golden Legend” and the Protestant “Fox’s Book of Martyrs”, both books were huge best sellers.


27 posted on 08/17/2008 4:37:16 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Salvation
"Another thread mentions that the apostles were the first priests."

BTW, an argument can be made that the first one was...

... Enosh.

(Genesis 4:26)

:^D

39 posted on 08/17/2008 4:50:24 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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The recent book “Jesus of Nazareth” by Pope Benedict XVI has a very good analysis of the Gospel of John, which connects authorship to the Apostle John. If John the Evangelist did not write it himself, it appeared to be written by his disciples whom John obviously gave his oral testimony to.

Just like the early chapters of Luke. How did those events find their way into print? Because Mary kept all those things in her heart, just like it says! She told the Apostles her story, and they passed it on, and it was eventually written down by Luke.

The other Evangelists (other than John) were also martyred, just in case anyone is keeping track.


45 posted on 08/17/2008 5:06:35 PM PDT by BaBaStooey ("Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light." Ephesians 5:14)
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What if St. John didn't die? I'm not saying I believe it one way or the other, just consider it a possibility.

And I do believe the traditions that the rest were martyred except Judas. Oddly, I do think Judas was sorry but succumbed to despair, guess it isn't for us to know his ultimate destiny, the "Son of Perdition." Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if he had asked forgiveness at the foot of the cross. It would have taken great humility and faith to do such a thing, don't like to think about it too much; my mind goes into a pretzel :-)

47 posted on 08/17/2008 5:11:40 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Salvation

Many consider St. John to be a martyr as well. He miraculously survived being boiled in oil and later died “naturally”. The boiling in oil would certainly have resulted in his unequivocal martyrdom without supernatural intervention.

For a Thomistic discussion please refer to:

“Why St. John Was Not Boiled in Oil”
http://www.cts.org.au/2001/universitas10/stjohnnooil.htm

“Perhaps you are thinking as you read the title that I am going to demythologise the tradition that St John the Evangelist was miraculously preserved from death in boiling oil. Not at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. This article presupposes that the miracle did take place and seeks to understand the nature of the miracle that occurred... “


57 posted on 08/17/2008 5:46:47 PM PDT by Ozone34
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To: Salvation

This may be a stupid question, but I am not a Christian.

Did any of the apostles die before Jesus?


59 posted on 08/17/2008 5:49:08 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Salvation

Just where does this info come from? Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul; all are documented in the New Testament, but the others? A few are mentioned later in the NT after the Gospels, but their fates are not revealed.


63 posted on 08/17/2008 6:00:53 PM PDT by LiberConservative ("Typical" white guy)
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Which of the 12 apostles were martyred?
All except one.

Judas: Suicide.

The suicide of Judas Iscariot doesn't fall within my definition of martyrdom.

64 posted on 08/17/2008 6:20:48 PM PDT by PAR35
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Only St. John

Maybe because he was such a fast runner he was able to evade capture?

76 posted on 08/17/2008 11:00:33 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (My friends, I am voting against Obama because he is white.)
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"The possible causes of death of each of the Twelve Apostles"

One word sasys it all, doesn't it?

85 posted on 08/18/2008 7:39:40 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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Your list leaves out SS. Peter and Paul. +James, the step-brother of the Lord, was not an apostle, althought +Paul calls him an apostle (by misake?) in Gal 1:19.


86 posted on 08/18/2008 7:49:53 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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