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You can't be a Pelosi and a Catholic at the same time. I never realized how disturbed and evil this woman was

When life begins is a non-issue in the debate on abortion? It shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose?

1 posted on 08/25/2008 11:46:50 AM PDT by Antioch
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38 posted on 08/25/2008 3:48:37 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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39 posted on 08/25/2008 3:49:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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CCC Paragraph 2270

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.

43 posted on 08/25/2008 3:58:56 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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Careful - some people on here are going to conflate Pelosi’s statements to “Official Vatican Policy” and then demand to know why Catholics are in favor of abortion. I see one of them already trying.

45 posted on 08/25/2008 4:16:55 PM PDT by Hacksaw
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Peggy Noonan nailed this one to the wall when she said in her recent article that everyone who’s ever used a condom knows exactly when life begins.

47 posted on 08/25/2008 6:52:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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What a buffoon she is! Her "dodge" is really pathetic, if you think about it. She resorts to Catholic theologians who lived way before the advent of modern biology and microscopy, who, in their own day, clearly did have some room for speculation on this point (though, even then, they would have erred on the side of caution for the most part).

However! The advances in embryology alone over the last 100+ years have removed all doubt as to when and how fertilization occurs, and how the initial cell grows via division. That aspect alone proves that the fertilized ovum is "alive." At least on the same level as single-celled and primitive mullti-celled organisms are indisputably "alive." Advances in genetics, at any rate, clearly tell us that this dividing mass of cells is not just the same morally as simple organisms. The Church Fathers she is so fond of quoting certainly knew nothing about the genetics involved, so they would be equally incompetent witnesses to her argument on this point. From the beginning, we are talking about what is genetically human. There is no room for denial on this point!

But, from a Catholic perspective - which, she protests that she "practices ardently" - there's more! The dogma of the Immaculate Conception should, for any "Catholic," remove all doubt on the matter. By derivation from the definition of the dogma, Mary was conceived "immaculate," and, since this refers to the state of her soul, and since only human beings are conceived with souls where this could even be an issue, it follows that Mary, from the first moment of her conception in her mother's womb, was a "human being" in the eyes of God, composed of a body (however tiny at the time) and an immortal soul>. She was, then, "alive" in the fullest sense, and as "human" as Pelosi allegedly is now herself.

Again, the Immaculate Conception is a dogma binding on all of the Catholic faithful. Pelosi, as a Catholic, is obliged to embrace this, as well as its logical implications. She hasn't got a leg to stand on in here pitiful argumentation. She should be publicly excommunicated just on the basis of her Meet the Press comments alone, on the grounds that she has given scandal to potentially millions of Christians, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, and injected patent falsehoods into the discussion for the pseudo-edification of many ignorant people who are subject to the misinformation she sputtered. Matthew 18:6-9 was surely spoken by Jesus with just this sort of a miserable excuse for a human being in mind! She needs prayers, but, for the present, and for her own spiritual medicine as well as that of countless of her "followers," she needs to be "shown the door" and bounced-out of the Church. With the upturned candles and the whole bit! And the Kennedy-Kerry-Biden wing along with her!

49 posted on 08/25/2008 6:55:23 PM PDT by magisterium
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51 posted on 08/26/2008 5:15:45 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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It’s up to Catholics to know the truth and to do the right thing.

61 posted on 08/26/2008 7:02:30 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Please tell him that I do not care to drink with him nor any other Russian son of a bitch.)
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Pelosi’s spokesman responds with more gobbledygook, quotes Augustine again
WDTPRS blog | 8/26/2008 | Fr. Z
Posted on 08/26/2008 6:58:53 PM PDT by Pyro7480

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The Hill | 08/25/08 | Bob Cusack
Posted on 08/26/2008 4:54:34 AM PDT by radar101

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Posted on 08/24/2008 12:29:04 PM PDT by vietvet67

76 posted on 08/26/2008 9:15:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ( hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Pinged from Terri Dailies


80 posted on 08/27/2008 3:21:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Just in case you didn’t see this - ping!

Pelosi is as full of stuffing as a thanksgiving turkey! (and I’m being kind to the bolshie)

81 posted on 08/27/2008 5:46:24 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA ("When I was a boy, America was a better place" - Dennis Prager)
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