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To: kosta50
"That will be the day"? Well, you might be right, based on previous track records. But things are starting to change, I think. Even Archbishop Wuerl of Washington gave Pelosi a rebuke for her comments. It is becoming clear to at least some of the bishops that skirting the issue of Catholic politicians and their ability to take Communion with impunity despite pro-abortion voting records is spiralling out of their control. Perhaps Benedict put a buzz in their ears, too. I don't know.

But it seems to me that the Dems at their convention yesterday were right about one thing: "we are at a crossroads" in this country. It will not be much longer that the Christian voice will even be heard in this country on moral issues, let alone acted upon. The secularists are gaining overall, despite what we might wish or think. It's true. I think some in the Church leadership can see the trends, and will no longer cozy-up to liberal Democrats to further certain aspects of their social agenda that are not reprehensible in themselves (even if usually ill-advised), when abortion, euthanasia, infanticide and human cloning are all advocated by leftist Democrats. They're beginning to wake up, and they're seeing that this "alliance of convenience" with the Left is gaining them nothing, it is making more and more rank-and-file Catholics get more jaundiced about Church leadership and overal relevancy, and the footdragging merely serves to help the Church spiral more and more out of even a generalized influence.

Now that Archbishop Burke is on his way to Rome, I think you will see the Vatican start lighting more fires under the American bishops who keep dragging their feet with respect to disciplining "Catholic" politicians who keep falling off the fence on the wrong side. I could be wrong, sure, but I really think things will start improving. If (God forbid!) Obama is president, and there is a serious Dem majority in both houses of Congress, the situation will quickly become so bad that any coddling of Democrats will be tantamount to apostasy. Few buishops want to be perceived in that way, and, in spite of their fuzzy-headedness, few of them, I trust, want God to perceive them that way!

55 posted on 08/26/2008 6:50:58 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: magisterium
I realize I was not very charitable in my previous post, but let's face it: the Catholic Church has been lukewarm for the past 40-plus years.

Is there any wonder we have pro-abortion individuals like Pelosi, Biden and Kerry? It's almost as if the Catholic Church will do anything not to be perceived as "intolerant," even of those who openly call her teaching a lie, while claiming to be "ardent, practicing Catholics."

Where did they get the idea that "historically" the Catholic Church was not opposed to abortion, if not from apostate elements in the Church?!?

The damage incurred by the uncontrolled revolution of the Vatican II (regardless what the real intent was) can very well cause the Church to split, unimaginable as it may seem, because there are actually self-styled Catholics like Pelosi who believes that she is "orthodox," and who are convinced that the traditionalists are the "apostates" who are trying to "change" the Church.

Some people are "offended" with the "Greek" cross carried by +Benedict XVI, and not to mention his traditional vestments, as if the Church was in apostasy for the past 2,000 years and has only become the "true" Catholic Church in the last 45! After all, the Traditional Catholic Mass was treated as an anathema for all practical purposes during the entire reign of Pope John Paul II (practically one generation!). Is there any wonder there are not more Pelosis and Bidens and Kerrys?

62 posted on 08/26/2008 7:14:02 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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