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Archbishop scolds pro-choice Biden
The Washington Times ^ | 26 August 2008 | Valerie Richardson and Julia Duin

Posted on 08/26/2008 7:34:24 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham

DENVER | Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. arrived at the Democratic National Convention on Monday amid rumblings over whether his pro-choice Catholicism would help or hurt the Democratic ticket.

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But the party's hopes of winning the critical Catholic vote took a hit Sunday when Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver said Mr. Biden should avoid taking Communion as a result of his pro-choice stand on abortion.

Archbishop Chaput, who was scheduled to lead a pro-life candlelight vigil Monday night here in front of Planned Parenthood, called Mr. Biden's support for abortion rights "seriously wrong," said archdiocese spokeswoman Jeanette De Melo.

"I certainly presume his good will and integrity," said the archbishop, "and I presume that his integrity will lead him to refrain from presenting himself for Communion if he supports a false 'right' to abortion."

The archbishop, who was not invited to speak at any convention events in what appeared to be a deliberate snub, told the Associated Press that he would like to speak privately with Mr. Biden.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; biden

1 posted on 08/26/2008 7:34:24 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I'm glad to see our bishops stepping up to the plate.


2 posted on 08/26/2008 7:36:20 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Oh yes, this was the leading story every hour, half hour and quarter hour this morning. Why, I heard nothing else! (I had better not need a tag)


3 posted on 08/26/2008 7:37:05 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
(I'm glad to see our bishops stepping up to the plate.)

Are they?
Why today? Biden has held his political position on abortion for decades.
Speaker Pelosi who apparently totally misrepresented Church Doctrine on National TV has stated she has no problem getting Communion in her church (San Fransisco). Go figure....
To suggest as the Bishops have that Biden and Pelosi and others not take Communion is sort of silly. Since their beliefs and actions already contradict that of the Church what makes anyone assume that they will follow the Bishop's suggestions?

4 posted on 08/26/2008 7:57:29 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Just don’t present yourself for communion? How’s about the Bishop suggesting that Biden get his life right, and use his platform for something other than legalized murder?


5 posted on 08/26/2008 7:58:03 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: SECURE AMERICA

>>Since their beliefs and actions already contradict that of the Church what makes anyone assume that they will follow the Bishop’s suggestions?

Very true, that is why the Bishops need to take ACTION and confront them publicly and tell them they are wrong. If they persist, public excommunication is the appropriate response. Although I would rather burn heretics at the stake; but that’s just me.


6 posted on 08/26/2008 8:01:23 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I hope the Archbishop steers clear of Biden.

“The next Republican that tells me I’m not religious, I’m gonna shove my rosary beads down their throat!” - Joe Biden

7 posted on 08/26/2008 8:17:58 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Possibly because the RCC is working - actually WORKING at getting back to it’s root values.


8 posted on 08/26/2008 8:29:31 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

marking for later


9 posted on 08/26/2008 9:05:57 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (About Obama: "Overinflated balloons pop suddenly and catastrophically." - Bill Dupray)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Our Lady's Warriors.Dissent>Speakers and Authors

Abortion and Euthanasia

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) Catholic politician who votes for abortion in contradiction to Church teachings. One of American Life League's "Deadly Dozen."

10 posted on 08/26/2008 9:08:14 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Christian4Bush

This is first time I have noticed the Catholic Church getting on politicians about there views on infanticide and I am very proud of seeing this.

The Catholic Church should be excommunicating.
The worst form of branding!
The Church must take a stand and back the stand at all cost or they lose there mission.


11 posted on 08/26/2008 9:10:51 AM PDT by Bigmouthbass
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To: SECURE AMERICA
And Biden has excommunicated himself for decades by supporting abortion. Anyone who even votes for one of these abortion supporting politicians, excommunicaties themselves. The only way it can be remedied is for for them to go to Confession, repenet, and promise to amend their ways. Otherwise they cannot be communicated.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
96%**********

3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

12 posted on 08/26/2008 9:11:09 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: SECURE AMERICA; Coldwater Creek
Please read the statements by multiple bishops as well as Pope Benedict in these links. The dims know they are wrong -- and this story of them supporting abortion will be one that defeats them. BTW, these are all FR links!

Archbishop scolds pro-choice Biden
Archbishop Wuerl on the Church’s Constant Teaching on Abortion
Washington archbishop rips Pelosi on abortion

Bishops Correct Speaker Nancy Pelosi: 'On the Separation of Sense and State'
Pelosi lies about Catholicism and abortion
Catholic Bishop: Pro-Abortion VP Candidate Joe Biden Should Skip Communion
When Does Human Life Begin? Obama's Pro-Abortion Answer Hill Downfall
Bishops Correct Speaker Nancy Pelosi: On the Separation of Sense and State

Denver archbishop slams Pelosi on Church teachings and abortion
Pelosi, Abortion & St. Augustine - UPDATED
Catholic leaders react to Biden pick; Bishops say he should refrain from Communion
Obama Supporter On FNC: Jesus Would Be O.K. With Abortion
How should Catholics vote? [editorial from the LA Times]

"Catholic" Speaker Pelosi Denies that Catholicism Condemns Abortion
Catholics Against Joe Biden (Link to site) [Open]
Choice of Biden Re-Opens Catholic Wound; Own Bishop Outspoken on Obligation to Protect Life
"Prudent And Nuanced View”( LA Times wants Archbishop Burke to shut up about abortion)
“Help me out here, Madam Speaker” ( “I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins” )

Biden's Catholic faith offers risks, rewards
Nancy Pelosi on when life begins (Smarter than Obama?
Obama, Biden, Foreign Policy and the Catholic Vote
The "Abortion Joe" Biden will get his ticket a record low Catholic vote
Obama's Falsehood: The Truth About His Abortion Record

EDITORIAL:Obama Chooses Biden and the Battle for Life is Engaged
Joe Biden Makes It Easier for Catholics to Oppose Pro-Abortion Barack Obama
Obamacide
McCain attacks Obama on pro-abortion stance
Barack Obama's Sole Article in Harvard Law Review Promotes Abortion

Why Obama Really Voted For Infanticide
Obama's Born-Alive Problem
William A. Donohue: Catholic Left Hangs Itself (5/22/08) [Abortion]
"Until they have reformed their lives" ( No Holy Communion for pro-abortion Catholics!)
African American Pro-Life Leader Tells Barack Obama: No We Can't OK Abortion

OBAMA AND INFANTICIDE (Reinhard)
They'd be angry at Obama if he was caught saying the N-word. Supporting Infanticide—Not so much.
In 2002, Barack Obama Supported Infanticide and I've Got the Transcript of His Words
Explosive Audio Found - Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Audio
Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA
Audio Found Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act
Abortion foes using racism to make point at DNC [Randall Terry / Operation Rescue]
Why Obama couldn't answer Warren's baby question
Smoking gun? Papers expose Obama's 'infanticide' vote

EXTRA: Archbishop Burke on Catholics who Support Abortion
Senator Barack Obama Wants You to Pay for Abortions
US Bishops Look at Election
John McCain Will Not Pick Pro-Abortion Running Mate, Rules Out Tom Ridge
Vote for Real Hope and Change [Archbishop Chaput]
Catholics who support abortion should not receive Communion, says Archbishop Burke (again :-)
CNN Again Omits Part of the Story Concerning Obama’s Abortion Votes

Obama Flunks Rick Warren's Abortion Question
Obama and the Black American Family Don’t Jibe [Abortion]
Obama Caught Red-Handed in Abortion Lie
Archbishop Naumann hopes Obama realizes Sebelius is a bad Catholic advisor
Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record

OBAMA'S EXTREMISM - HIS ABORTION RECORD IS NO LIE
Barack Obama - Abortion Extremist
Barack Obama lied about babies ‘Born Alive’ vote then smeared Corsi
Babies' Rights and the Definition of Marriage [re: Forum responses by Obama vs. McCain]
Opinion: Doug Kmiec on McCain v. Obama at Saddleback

Obama Cover-up on Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Continues to Unravel...
Life Lies: Barack Obama and Born-Alive
Operation Rescue founder to distribute new flyer: "Is it Immoral to Vote for Obama for President?"
Obama Calls Pro-Lifers Liars
Obama Jun 15: “fathers…at conception” August 16 “answering that question is above my pay grade”

Niece of Martin Luther King Jr. to Lead Prayer Vigil Outside Largest U.S. Abortion Centre
Campaign Admits Obama Lied About Abortion Vote, Media Asleep
Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
Barack Obama Repeats False Claim Abortions Haven't Declined Under Bush
Obama and Abortion

Obama Says Right to Life Coalition Is Lying About His Record
Barack Obama Says Pro-Life Group Lying About His Pro-Infanticide Votes
Obama's infanticide problem>
Obama and McCain Woo Catholics
Obama's Christian Creds Vs. Abortion and Infanticide

Obama's 10 reasons for supporting infanticide
Mommy Won't Help Dems on Abortion
Abortion Leader Confirms that Democratic Platform is More Pro-Abortion than Ever
Obama More Than An Abortion Radical
Obama’s Abortion Lies (Obama cover-up on born-alive survivors bill)

Life with Obama: Abortion champion
Knighting the Catholic Vote (K of C urging Catholics to vote pro-life)
Linda Chavez: Obama’s Catholic problem
Catholic Voters and 2008
Barack Obama Supports the Murder of Newborn Infants

Obama Lied About Abortion Record
What Barack Obama defended three times: Live Birth Abortion
[OPEN] Supreme K of C Calls for Real "Change" on Abortion and Catholic Revolt against Obama Nation
Obama's Catholic Problem ( Linda Chavez )
Obama’s View on Abortion May Divide Catholics ( "May Divide?" )

Obama loses 26 points among Catholics
Barack Obama's Wife Michelle to Join Hillary Clinton at Pro-Abortion Dinner
OPINION: Senator Obama and the Wall of the Womb
Barack Obama's Pledge to Overturn Every Pro-Life Abortion Law One Year Old
Obama Worse than Clintons on Abortion Says National Right to Life Leader Interview-SCOTUS Critical

Roman Catholics for Obama '08
OBAMA TO CATHOLICS: NO VOUCHERS
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Obama’s director of Catholic Outreach ‘dodges’ opportunity to reach Catholics
Barack Obama Slams John McCain For Opposing Abortion, Activist Judges

Catholics and Obama
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record
Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide

The Battle for Catholic Voters
New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say

Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]
More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....

NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops
McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after

Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)
Catholics Debate Obama Vote

US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]
Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?
DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

13 posted on 08/26/2008 9:13:53 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mware
“The next Republican that tells me I’m not religious, I’m gonna shove my rosary beads down their throat!” - Joe Biden

I see the lovingkindness of Yah'shua in brother Joe {/sarc}
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
14 posted on 08/26/2008 9:15:21 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Bigmouthbass

These pro-aborts excommunicate themselves. Anyone who votes in support of abortion also excommunicates themself.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2068297/posts?page=12#12

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2068297/posts?page=13#13


15 posted on 08/26/2008 9:16:04 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; antonius

16 posted on 08/26/2008 9:16:35 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Brother Chaput needs to apologize to the voters of Colorado
for endorsing Bill Ritter for Governor.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

17 posted on 08/26/2008 9:25:38 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt
Brother Chaput needs to apologize to the voters of Colorado for endorsing Bill Ritter for Governor.

Source for that claim? Chaput knows that he would be in serious violation of IRS regulations concerning 501(c)(3) organizations were he to endorse a candidate. Chaput has repeatedly stated that he doesn't endorse candidates. Also, considering that Beauprez is a pro-life Catholic your claim seems specious at best, so if you've got verifiable evidence to the contrary please provide it.

18 posted on 08/26/2008 9:37:27 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

It looks like Chaput has encouraged the bishops to take go public.


19 posted on 08/26/2008 9:51:32 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Salvation

Sending me this post twice is enough!

Thanks


20 posted on 08/26/2008 10:06:32 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Colorado’s Governor Ritter used his D.A. office to comply with the edict from Bishop Chaput – help the "immigrants." Ritter and Deputy D.A. Stephanie Villafuerte concocted many nefarious schemes for reducing felony criminal charges to simple misdemeanors so the perps would not be deported.

Maybe brother Chaput needs to apologize to Americans for promoting and encouraging Lawlessness.

Perhaps he needs to confess his sin of Lawlessness and repent and turn away from public sin.

NAsbU Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
21 posted on 08/26/2008 10:11:18 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: cake_crumb

Do not use potty language or references to potty language on the Religion Forum.


23 posted on 08/26/2008 11:02:11 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; All

Oh, the c word. Sorry.


24 posted on 08/26/2008 12:01:05 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: XeniaSt

Once again, provide a verifiable source that support your allegations. You do understand the seriousness of bearing false witness, don’t you?


25 posted on 08/26/2008 1:21:11 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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