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Catholic leaders accused of failing to enforce church law
OneNewsNow ^ | 8/31/08 | Rusty Pugh

Posted on 08/31/2008 1:01:40 PM PDT by wagglebee

baby feetThe leader of the American Life League says Catholic bishops in America missed a golden opportunity to enforce the law of the Catholic Church when it comes to abortion.

 

Cardinals and bishops continue to rebuke House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for attempting a theological defense of her support for abortion. Pelosi, a Catholic school graduate who has expressed pride in her religious heritage, said last Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press that "doctors of the church" have not been able to define when life begins.
 Nancy Pelosi
Pittsburgh Bishop David Zubik says Pelosi "completely misrepresented the teaching of the Catholic Church in regard to abortion." But American Life League (ALL) president Judie Brown says Catholic bishops dropped the ball.
 
"Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House of Representatives for the United States of America, gave the Catholic bishops of America a golden opportunity to be forthright and to say that they would enforce Canon Law 915 and deny Holy Communion to pro-abortion Catholics like Pelosi," Brown explains. "The bishops failed, once again, to use this opportunity to teach the truth about what the [Catholic] Church teaches. I find this appalling."
 
From its earliest days, Christianity has considered abortion evil. The catechism of the Catholic Church declares, "This teaching has remained unchanged and remains unchangeable."
 
New York Cardinal Edward Egan says Pelosi and others who defend abortion "should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy."


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; biden; pelosi; prolife
"Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House of Representatives for the United States of America, gave the Catholic bishops of America a golden opportunity to be forthright and to say that they would enforce Canon Law 915 and deny Holy Communion to pro-abortion Catholics like Pelosi," Brown explains. "The bishops failed, once again, to use this opportunity to teach the truth about what the [Catholic] Church teaches. I find this appalling."

She is 100% correct.

1 posted on 08/31/2008 1:01:41 PM PDT by wagglebee
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Pro-Life/Catholic Ping


2 posted on 08/31/2008 1:02:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Unfortunate, isn’t it?


3 posted on 08/31/2008 1:13:46 PM PDT by realdifferent1 (Trig Palin: A child, not a 'choice'!)
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To: wagglebee
Pelosi, a Catholic school graduate who has expressed pride in her religious heritage, said last Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press that "doctors of the church" have not been able to define when life begins

I'm not Catholic and even I know the Church believes life starts at conception... so not only you are in charge of the most unpopular congress ever... you cannot even define your chosen religion!

So what good are you Nancy?

4 posted on 08/31/2008 1:19:22 PM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: wagglebee; Hacksaw
"Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House of Representatives for the United States of America, gave the Catholic bishops of America a golden opportunity to be forthright and to say that they would enforce Canon Law 915 and deny Holy Communion to pro-abortion Catholics like Pelosi," Brown explains. "The bishops failed, once again, to use this opportunity to teach the truth about what the [Catholic] Church teaches. I find this appalling."

Hacksaw, you were questioning my criticism of the bishops earlier...

5 posted on 08/31/2008 1:26:11 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Hacksaw

I am pleased that the bishops have finally started speaking up in the past few weeks; however, I also agree with Judie Brown that it’s necessary to go further. Catholics MUST be held accountable to Canon Law regarding mortal sin and the ONLY way to accomplish that is to start with the most visible offenders and those are the politicians.


6 posted on 08/31/2008 1:33:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

7 posted on 08/31/2008 1:44:00 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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8 posted on 08/31/2008 1:44:27 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: wagglebee; Hacksaw
I am pleased that the bishops have finally started speaking up in the past few weeks; however, I also agree with Judie Brown that it’s necessary to go further. Catholics MUST be held accountable to Canon Law regarding mortal sin and the ONLY way to accomplish that is to start with the most visible offenders and those are the politicians.

wagglebee, I'm in complete agreement with you on this.

I was actually shocked that so many bishops and archbishops publicly challenged and corrected Pelosi - I find that aspect encouraging (and yes, I'm eating a side dish of crow as we speak). But a failure to follow through, should Pelosi present herself to receive the Eucharist after being corrected (i.e. applying Canon Law 915) will only embolden her, and encourage other pro-abort politicians, other CINOs, and the (silent) liberal priests and bishops who want to re-open the Catholic cafeteria. IMO those bishops who spoke up must follow through on their words, or they will make matters worse. And if they don't, their failure will mean that Archbishop Burke will have to act against them, or else bring scandal to all.

9 posted on 08/31/2008 1:47:20 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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To: Alex Murphy
I was actually shocked that so many bishops and archbishops publicly challenged and corrected Pelosi - I find that aspect encouraging (and yes, I'm eating a side dish of crow as we speak). But a failure to follow through, should Pelosi present herself to receive the Eucharist after being corrected (i.e. applying Canon Law 915) will only embolden her, and encourage other pro-abort politicians, other CINOs, and the (silent) liberal priests and bishops who want to re-open the Catholic cafeteria.

I agree.

It's like when you were in grade school and the teacher said, "If everyone doestn't stop fighting at recess, there won't be anymore recess." Then there's a fight the next day and nothing happens, then the next, etc. And everyone still gets to go to recess everyday. After a few weeks, nobody really cares what the teacher says, because they realize that RULES WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES FOR VIOLATING THEM DON'T MEAN ANYTHING.

10 posted on 08/31/2008 1:53:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
RULES WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES FOR VIOLATING THEM DON'T MEAN ANYTHING.
Charity. There are real consequences. Natural ones (real babies keep getting scraped from their deluded mothers' wombs). Supernatural ones (real souls get damned forever).
11 posted on 08/31/2008 2:02:40 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: narses

Good point.


12 posted on 08/31/2008 2:04:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
It's like when you were in grade school and the teacher said, “If everyone doestn’t stop fighting at recess, there won't be anymore recess.” Then there's a fight the next day and nothing happens, then the next, etc. And everyone still gets to go to recess everyday.
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They are breaking one of the Ten Commandment, the Commandment not to bear false witness!

915 says one thing and the bishops and priests do another. Isn't that bearing false witness?

Surely a church with bishops and priest who do that can not be a true church. And...There is no mechanism for the laity to apply correction and change the direction of their church.

13 posted on 08/31/2008 2:22:23 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Alex Murphy
But a failure to follow through, should Pelosi present herself to receive the Eucharist after being corrected (i.e. applying Canon Law 915) will only embolden her, and encourage other pro-abort politicians, other CINOs, and the (silent) liberal priests and bishops who want to re-open the Catholic cafeteria.

Well put. This is absolutely the truth. Of course, we're still waiting for a statement from Pelosi's own bishop. Tick...tick...tick...

14 posted on 08/31/2008 2:38:43 PM PDT by livius
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To: wagglebee
Yep. Talk is cheap.


Palin has run a state, a town and a commercial fishing operation. Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth. - Mark Steyn


15 posted on 08/31/2008 2:42:54 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling in America from the impact of Hillary's face)
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To: wagglebee

My priest said eight bishops and two Cardinals has censured Pelosi.

Who am I forgetting?

Cardial Rigali
Cardinal Egan
Archbishop Wuerl
Archbishop Burke
Archbishop Chaput
Bishop Lori
Bishop Sheridan
Bishop Zubik
Bishop Saltarelli

USCCB


16 posted on 08/31/2008 3:00:08 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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ping


17 posted on 08/31/2008 3:33:43 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Salvation
Did Niederauer ever turn up with the letter he was supposed to publish Friday?

Talk about missing in action . . . . he's her bishop!

18 posted on 08/31/2008 3:38:00 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: wagglebee
Well this ruling came down from Rome a few years ago.It is up to the individual Bishop to determine whether to deny Communion.So it is up to Rome not the Bishop's to say an automatic no.
19 posted on 08/31/2008 3:47:29 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I think he is supposed to come out with something in the SF archdiocoesan paper on September 5th. But I could be mistaken. It was a link on one of these threads.

So, I guess we will wait and see. (And listen or read) LOL!


20 posted on 08/31/2008 3:56:16 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Anyone who dedicates his or her life to promoting the grave evil of abortion and embryonic stem cell research, repeatedly making false and evil public statements, extolling abortion rights, should be formally excommunicated and denied Catholic burial. Any priest who would join with that erring Catholic and continue to give her Communion should be defrocked.

It is not just the evil of fake Catholics promoting abortion that needs to be stopped. The bishops have a duty to stop the sacrilege.

21 posted on 08/31/2008 4:02:18 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Salvation

My guess is that his house is divided. We will see nowe if he has the guts he needs to be worthy of his office, or if he is just another trimmer.


22 posted on 08/31/2008 4:21:45 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: wagglebee
Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.
23 posted on 08/31/2008 4:45:10 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I found that link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2071271/posts?page=6#6


24 posted on 08/31/2008 5:19:23 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Thanks for the link! For some reason, I thought it was THIS Friday.

On the one hand, it looks a bit cowardly for him to wait so long.

On the other hand, it will keep the issue alive, which is a good thing. Presumably she gets a pass THIS Sunday . . . :-(

I understand that the bishops want to be circumspect and good shepherds and all that stuff, but if you get right down to it Pelosi's soul is at stake, and that's a serious matter for a shepherd . . . .

25 posted on 08/31/2008 5:27:02 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

**Presumably she gets a pass THIS Sunday . . .**

Not from our visiting priest this Sunday. He started and ended his homily with pro-life. Of course, he discoursed on the readings in between, but tied them all in to pro-life and us living that message in our world today.

Second dose for our parish. Two weeks ago, our deacon gave a strong, strong (and courageous for Oregon) homily on voting for life. God bless both these men abundantly.


26 posted on 08/31/2008 5:31:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Good for your priest.

And you're right -- it's tough to preach life in Oregon. But that's what they mean when they say the Church is not of the World.

27 posted on 08/31/2008 5:32:37 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Niederauer has probably never read either Canon Law or the Catechism before now.


28 posted on 08/31/2008 7:58:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Salvation

All talk, no action.


29 posted on 08/31/2008 11:32:30 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling in America from the impact of Hillary's face)
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Catholics Against Rudy director takes on Biden
Catholic Radio International | August 28, 2008 | Jeff Gardner
Posted on 09/01/2008 10:16:14 AM PDT by Jeff Gardner
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2072462/posts


30 posted on 09/01/2008 11:30:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: wagglebee; SunkenCiv

Can somebody tell me why the Catholic Church doesn’t excommunicate anyone anymore?


31 posted on 09/02/2008 2:58:05 AM PDT by Berosus (I already have a Messiah, I'm looking for a new president.)
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To: wagglebee
Cardinals and bishops continue to rebuke House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for attempting a theological defense of her support for abortion.

Good for them.

32 posted on 09/02/2008 3:06:22 AM PDT by Gamecock (1000!)
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