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Knights Templar 'Heirs' Sue Pope For Billions
NPR ^ | August 17, 2008

Posted on 09/07/2008 6:51:34 AM PDT by Gamecock

A group of people claiming to be the heirs of the legendary Knights Templar are suing Pope Benedict XVI, seeking more than $150 billion for assets seized by the Catholic Church seven centuries ago.

They also want to restore the order's good name. Founded in 1119, the Knights Templar was a secretive order of Christian warriors who protected pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem during the Crusades. They fell out of favor years later, and members were accused of denying Christ, worshipping the devil and practicing sodomy. Many Templars were tortured and burned at the stake.

In 1307, Pope Clement V accused the order of heresy and officially dissolved it.

Fiona Govan, who wrote about the lawsuit for London's Daily Telegraph, tells host Andrea Seabrook the order is believed to have gone underground and continued to practice, but that there is no firm, historical evidence to support it.

Last fall, the Vatican published secret documents about the trial of the Templars in a book called Processus Contra Templarios, Latin for "Trial Against the Templars." The volume included a parchment apparently showing that, contrary to historic belief, Clement had absolved the order of heresy.

Now, a group called the Association of the Sovereign Order of the Temple of Christ has filed suit in a Spanish court, asking for an apology from the pope and recognition that land and property worth about $150 billion today was seized from the Templars.

The Vatican will never reimburse the group, Govan says, because its members cannot prove that they are descendants of the Knights Templar.

She calls the claim "ludicrous" and says Spanish papers have suggested the issue is something for psychiatrists to decide rather than historians.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: oldnews; pope; templar

1 posted on 09/07/2008 6:51:35 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
Developing.
Descendants of Adam are preparing law suit against descendants of Eve for her scandalous apple incident.

Some people need to visit hurricane stricken areas.

2 posted on 09/07/2008 7:15:40 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee!)
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To: Gamecock

Why don’t they sue the king of France?


3 posted on 09/07/2008 7:17:01 AM PDT by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: Gamecock
LOL, when will the descendent's of the central and south American Indians join in.
4 posted on 09/07/2008 7:20:29 AM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: Gamecock

[CATHOLIC/ KNIGHTS TEMPLAR CAUCUS] Knights Templar heirs in legal battle with the Pope
The Telegraph ^ | 8/3/2008 | Fiona Govan

Posted on Monday, August 04, 2008 4:20:36 PM by markomalley

Old News....

5 posted on 09/07/2008 7:23:17 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Gamecock

This should be quite a trial when they bring in the eye witnesses.


6 posted on 09/07/2008 7:53:43 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Gamecock

Quote from the article:

“Last fall, the Vatican published secret documents about the trial of the Templars in a book called Processus Contra Templarios, Latin for “Trial Against the Templars.” The volume included a parchment apparently showing that, contrary to historic belief, Clement had absolved the order of heresy.”

I am not sure why this is considered such a surprise. Anyway, Vatican historian Barbara Frale, published a massive book on this based on the newly discovered trial records. The original book, published a year or two ago by the Vatican, was a steep $800 and appeared as a large folio with an exact facsimile of the manuscript. Frale is, however, coming out with an affordable book called, The Templars: The Secret History Revealed, in January, 2009. The Foreward is written by Umberto Eco who has long been a debunker of silly Templar/Mason myths. You can pre-order it at Amazon.com already for under $17.

Not only have historians long known that the Templars were most likely innocent, but even novelists (most recently Buttigieg) have used that idea in their novels.


7 posted on 09/07/2008 8:03:39 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: bmwcyle

ping


8 posted on 09/07/2008 8:14:43 AM PDT by theKid51
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To: markomalley

Searched for it and it didn’t come up, otherwise I wouldn’t have posted it.


9 posted on 09/07/2008 8:27:30 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Friday 13th 1307, Pope Clement V accused the order of heresy and officially dissolved it and the king of France didn’t have to repay the Templars.


10 posted on 09/07/2008 8:59:14 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: Gamecock; markomalley
Searched for it and it didn’t come up, otherwise I wouldn’t have posted it.

Gamecock's source is an NPR story, whereas markomalley's was a Telegraph UK story. Different headline, different authors, different text.

11 posted on 09/07/2008 9:44:58 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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To: Gamecock
Searched for it and it didn’t come up, otherwise I wouldn’t have posted it.

And if anyone seriously believes that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

12 posted on 09/07/2008 9:55:26 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Gamecock

Oh goody, another Tom Hanks movie


13 posted on 09/07/2008 10:16:53 AM PDT by UB355 ( Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Gamecock
This is as funny as the Egyptian who sued all Jews to get the gold back that Moses “stole”.

Can I sue the Romans for enslaving my ancestors?

14 posted on 09/07/2008 11:25:44 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: vladimir998
The Foreward is written by Umberto Eco who has long been a debunker of silly Templar/Mason myths. You can pre-order it at Amazon.com already for under $17.

A great writer. If you have read his books, you realize that Dan Brown is a very poor rip off of Eco. What is even better, is that while many of his books deal with conspiracies, he makes fun of them in the books. So at the end, you realize the characters just fooled themselves.

15 posted on 09/07/2008 11:35:19 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Can I sue the Romans for enslaving my ancestors?

Hey, they're my ancestors, too.

I think first we have to pay the Romans reparations for kicking their little Latin heinies at the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald. ;-)

700 gold denarii per man, at 7% interest compounded annually for 2000 years, is ...

16 posted on 09/07/2008 12:26:10 PM PDT by Campion
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I believe calling someone a liar qualifies as a personal attack.


17 posted on 09/07/2008 1:24:39 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Yeah?

How much?


18 posted on 09/07/2008 1:44:56 PM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: Gamecock

John Edwards might be available.


19 posted on 09/07/2008 2:01:24 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Campion
700 gold denarii per man, at 7% interest compounded annually for 2000 years, is ...

But the Romans often used simple interest after Julius Cesar, so that won't be so bad. Though 749 gold denarii would be quite a sum nowadays. Guess we will have to call it a wash.

Although, it has often been thought that some of my family had Roman blood, so I might owe reparations to myself...

20 posted on 09/07/2008 3:09:54 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gamecock
I believe calling someone a liar qualifies as a personal attack.

Different rules for different folks is all I've been able to figure out. Either that, or 'making it personal' is a defined term of art, the nuances of which I've never been quite able to grasp.

21 posted on 09/07/2008 4:16:44 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Gamecock

Just like slavery, find a slave and we’ll talk reparations, but if this is an offense going back over 900 years, I think no one involved is left alive.


22 posted on 09/07/2008 4:19:43 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Gamecock

These new “Knights Templar” don’t even use the proper name. The Knights Templar were named after Solomon’s Temple. Whoops.


23 posted on 09/07/2008 7:35:21 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Bible says forbidden fruit, not apple. Judges would throw your case out.


24 posted on 07/23/2009 8:44:14 AM PDT by egannacht
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