if it's not in Latin, it's NOT Mass... it's just Church.
Posted on 09/16/2008 4:28:24 PM PDT by NYer
ROME (CNS) -- Rather than being grateful, some people have reacted to Pope Benedict XVI's wider permission for the celebration of the Tridentine Mass with further demands, said Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos.
The cardinal, president of the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei," spoke Sept. 16 at a conference marking the first anniversary of "Summorum Pontificum," the document by which Pope Benedict expanded access to the Tridentine rite, the Mass rite used before the Second Vatican Council.
Cardinal Castrillon, whose commission works with communities using the old rite, said his office continues to receive letters requesting the Tridentine rite be used not just at one Mass a week but at every Mass, and that such Masses be available not just at one church in a town but at every church.
He said he even got a letter demanding that Rome's Basilica of St. Mary Major be dedicated exclusively to the celebration of the Tridentine-rite Mass.
Such people, he said, are "insatiable, incredible."
"They do not know the harm they are doing," Cardinal Castrillon said, adding that when the Vatican does not accept their demands immediately "they go directly to the Internet" and post their complaints.
The cardinal and officials in his office have been saying for more than a year now that they were preparing detailed instructions responding to questions about how to implement the papal document, which said the Mass in the new Roman Missal, introduced in 1970, remains the ordinary way of Catholic worship.
Asked about the status of those detailed instructions, Cardinal Castrillon told Catholic News Service that his office had completed its work and passed the draft on to the pope, who would make the final decision about its publication.
In addition to responding to the desire of Catholics who wanted more frequent and easier access to Mass celebrated in the old rite, the pope's 2007 document was seen as a major step toward reconciliation with the followers of the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who was excommunicated when he ordained four bishops against the express wishes of Pope John Paul II.
But the process of reconciliation broke down in late June when Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior of the Society of St. Pius X and one of the four bishops ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, failed to meet four conditions posed by Cardinal Castrillon for moving the process forward.
"The Eucharist should never become a point of contrast and a point of separation," Cardinal Castrillon said at the Sept. 16 conference. "What is more important: the mystery of God who becomes bread or the language by which we celebrate the mystery?"
The cardinal said the Mass -- in whatever language it is celebrated -- must be a service motivated by love and "never a sword" used against other Christians.
By making it easier for priests to celebrate the older liturgy and for the faithful to have access to it, he said, "the vicar of Christ (the pope) was not just exercising his task of governing, but was exercising his task of sanctifying" the people of God.
"When we are before the greatest expression of love for humanity -- the Eucharist -- how can we fight?" Cardinal Castrillon asked.
Pope Benedict XVI addressed this with in his final homily this week at Lourdes. He told the bishops there must be room for everyone to celebrate the liturgy respectfully but that the Church would not revert back to pre VCII days (or words to that effect). Some people, as the Cardinal has noted, are never satisfied.
I hope he was not surprised by this.
There is still a de facto ban on the Extraordinary Form in most dioceses. Even when a priest knows how to offer this form of the Mass, he is often prevented from doing so through unlawful "tests" which bishops have imposed, or through simple intimidation.
There needs to be a lot more generosity on the part of bishops before I will believe that a few cranks who complain on blogs no one reads is some sort of crisis.
if it's not in Latin, it's NOT Mass... it's just Church.
I love the Latin Mass and have joined a parish where it is used exclusively. But, I don’t want it to totally supplant the Novus Ordo for fear that the most liberal will still inject their beloved rituals into the Mass such as receiving communion in the hand or bowing the head rather than genuflecting. Not to mention the Sign of Peace or the Protestant Our Father. No, make the Latin Mass readily available to those who choose it, but don’t shove it down the charismatics’ throats.
Until the Mass is celebrated in the original Aramaic the outrageous modernist scandal will continue! ;-)
Bull!
Or should I say Bos Taurus!
I find Mass in Latin to be a wonderful experience, but my normal Mass in English is just as valid.
it's valid, it's just not Mass. guess it's just the old school alter boy in me.
Create a separate jurisdiction within the Latin Rite for the Gregorian Usage and be done with it.
Lol! (Legalism and self-righteousness will always be a temptation....)
;-)
“Legalism and self-righteousness will always be a temptation....)”
It’s not legalism to prefer Latin.
The enemies of the Church damaged her tremendously by “translating” things to say what they wanted them to say, rather than what they actually say.
Latin is a safeguard against that. A common language for the Church is of immeasurable value.
Latin in the Mass is what it is.
Vernacular in the Mass is whatever the “translators” or the ad libbers want it to be.
As an agnostic that can recite the “Sucipiot” (sp), The Catholic Church lost credibility when it ditched the Latin Mass, IMVHO.
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I was an altar boy for 4 years...does that count.
So, Jesus Christ used Latin when he said the first Mass?
Did he use Latin during the crucifixion?
Well, the Latin Mass is back. Check in your area for one.
If you indeed used to serve Mass then you'd know that you were an altar boy. Perhaps you really are an alter boy.
LOL...your post made me chuckle, gorush, because my older boy serves the TLM at our parish (Deo Gratias!) and the response to “Orate Fratres” (the Suscipiat) was the one response that drove him totally batty.
It IS a difficult one to memorize and I tip my hat to you for doing so.
Regards,
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