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Geert Wilders: "In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe?" [Must Read]
Black Cordelias ^ | September 28, 2008

Posted on 09/28/2008 3:16:21 PM PDT by NYer

The speech was sponsored by the Hudson Institute on September 25.

Dear friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me. Great to be at the Four Seasons. I come from a country that has one season only: a rainy season that starts January 1st and ends December 31st. When we have three sunny days in a row, the government declares a national emergency. So Four Seasons, that’s new to me.

It’s great to be in New York. When I see the skyscrapers and office buildings, I think of what Ayn Rand said: “The sky over New York and the will of man made visible.” Of course. Without the Dutch you would have been nowhere, still figuring out how to buy this island from the Indians. But we are glad we did it for you. And, frankly, you did a far better job than we possibly could have done.

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The danger I see looming is the scenario of America as the last man standing. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe. In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe? Patriots from around Europe risk their lives every day to prevent precisely this scenario form becoming a reality.

My short lecture consists of 4 parts.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe. Then, I will say a few things about Islam. Thirdly, if you are still here, I will talk a little bit about the movie you just saw. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem.

The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the landmarks. The Eiffel Tower and Trafalgar Square and Rome’s ancient buildings and maybe the canals of Amsterdam. They are still there. And they still look very much the same as they did a hundred years ago.

But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world, a world very few visitors see – and one that does not appear in your tourist guidebook. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration. All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighbourhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It’s the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corner. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighbourhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighbourhood by neighbourhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighbourhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities. In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims. Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear “whore, whore”. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin. In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can in many cases no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity. In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighbourhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan. Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.
A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France. One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favour of a worldwide caliphate. A Dutch study reported that half of Dutch Muslims admit they “understand” the 9/11 attacks.

Muslims demand what they call ‘respect’. And this is how we give them respect. Our elites are willing to give in. To give up. In my own country we have gone from calls by one cabinet member to turn Muslim holidays into official state holidays, to statements by another cabinet member, that Islam is part of Dutch culture, to an affirmation by the Christian-Democratic attorney general that he is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey.

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behaviour, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. Some prefer to see these as isolated incidents, but I call it a Muslim intifada. I call the perpetrators “settlers”. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies, they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighbourhoods, their cities, their countries.

Politicians shy away from taking a stand against this creeping sharia. They believe in the equality of all cultures. Moreover, on a mundane level, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

Our many problems with Islam cannot be explained by poverty, repression or the European colonial past, as the Left claims. Nor does it have anything to do with Palestinians or American troops in Iraq. The problem is Islam itself.

Allow me to give you a brief Islam 101. The first thing you need to know about Islam is the importance of the book of the Quran. The Quran is Allah’s personal word, revealed by an angel to Mohammed, the prophet. This is where the trouble starts. Every word in the Quran is Allah’s word and therefore not open to discussion or interpretation. It is valid for every Muslim and for all times. Therefore, there is no such a thing as moderate Islam. Sure, there are a lot of moderate Muslims. But a moderate Islam is non-existent.

The Quran calls for hatred, violence, submission, murder, and terrorism. The Quran calls for Muslims to kill non-Muslims, to terrorize non-Muslims and to fulfil their duty to wage war: violent jihad. Jihad is a duty for every Muslim, Islam is to rule the world – by the sword. The Quran is clearly anti-Semitic, describing Jews as monkeys and pigs.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behaviour is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. He advised on matters of slavery, but never advised to liberate slaves. Islam has no other morality than the advancement of Islam. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad. There is no gray area or other side.

Quran as Allah’s own word and Mohammed as the perfect man are the two most important facets of Islam. Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means ‘submission’. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

This is what you need to know about Islam, in order to understand what is going on in Europe. For millions of Muslims the Quran and the live of Mohammed are not 14 centuries old, but are an everyday reality, an ideal, that guide every aspect of their lives. Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam “the most retrograde force in the world”, and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran.

Which brings me to my movie, Fitna.

I am a lawmaker, and not a movie maker. But I felt I had the moral duty to educate about Islam. The duty to make clear that the Quran stands at the heart of what some people call terrorism but is in reality jihad. I wanted to show that the problems of Islam are at the core of Islam, and do not belong to its fringes.

Now, from the day the plan for my movie was made public, it caused quite a stir, in the Netherlands and throughout Europe. First, there was a political storm, with government leaders, across the continent in sheer panic. The Netherlands was put under a heightened terror alert, because of possible attacks or a revolt by our Muslim population. The Dutch branch of the Islamic organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir declared that the Netherlands was due for an attack. Internationally, there was a series of incidents. The Taliban threatened to organize additional attacks against Dutch troops in Afghanistan, and a website linked to Al Qaeda published the message that I ought to be killed, while various muftis in the Middle East stated that I would be responsible for all the bloodshed after the screening of the movie. In Afghanistan and Pakistan the Dutch flag was burned on several occasions. Dolls representing me were also burned. The Indonesian President announced that I will never be admitted into Indonesia again, while the UN Secretary General and the European Union issued cowardly statements in the same vein as those made by the Dutch Government. I could go on and on. It was an absolute disgrace, a sell-out.

A plethora of legal troubles also followed, and have not ended yet. Currently the state of Jordan is litigating against me. Only last week there were renewed security agency reports about a heightened terror alert for the Netherlands because of Fitna.

Now, I would like to say a few things about Israel. Because, very soon, we will get together in its capitol. The best way for a politician in Europe to loose votes is to say something positive about Israel. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I, however, will continue to speak up for Israel. I see defending Israel as a matter of principle. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel. First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

Samuel Huntington writes it so aptly: “Islam has bloody borders”. Israel is located precisely on that border. This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel, Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel, they can get everything. Therefore, it is not that the West has a stake in Israel. It is Israel.

It is very difficult to be an optimist in the face of the growing Islamization of Europe. All the tides are against us. On all fronts we are losing. Demographically the momentum is with Islam. Muslim immigration is even a source of pride within ruling liberal parties. Academia, the arts, the media, trade unions, the churches, the business world, the entire political establishment have all converted to the suicidal theory of multiculturalism. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a ‘right-wing extremists’ or ‘racists’. The entire establishment has sided with our enemy. Leftists, liberals and Christian-Democrats are now all in bed with Islam.

This is the most painful thing to see: the betrayal by our elites. At this moment in Europe’s history, our elites are supposed to lead us. To stand up for centuries of civilization. To defend our heritage. To honour our eternal Judeo-Christian values that made Europe what it is today. But there are very few signs of hope to be seen at the governmental level. Sarkozy, Merkel, Brown, Berlusconi; in private, they probably know how grave the situation is. But when the little red light goes on, they stare into the camera and tell us that Islam is a religion of peace, and we should all try to get along nicely and sing Kumbaya. They willingly participate in, what President Reagan so aptly called: “the betrayal of our past, the squandering of our freedom.”

If there is hope in Europe, it comes from the people, not from the elites. Change can only come from a grass-roots level. It has to come from the citizens themselves. Yet these patriots will have to take on the entire political, legal and media establishment.

Over the past years there have been some small, but encouraging, signs of a rebirth of the original European spirit. Maybe the elites turn their backs on freedom, the public does not. In my country, the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat to our national identity. I don’t think the public opinion in Holland is very different from other European countries.

Patriotic parties that oppose jihad are growing, against all odds. My own party debuted two years ago, with five percent of the vote. Now it stands at ten percent in the polls. The same is true of all smililary-minded parties in Europe. They are fighting the liberal establishment, and are gaining footholds on the political arena, one voter at the time.

Now, for the first time, these patriotic parties will come together and exchange experiences. It may be the start of something big. Something that might change the map of Europe for decades to come. It might also be Europe’s last chance.

This December a conference will take place in Jerusalem. Thanks to Professor Aryeh Eldad, a member of Knesset, we will be able to watch Fitna in the Knesset building and discuss the jihad. We are organizing this event in Israel to emphasize the fact that we are all in the same boat together, and that Israel is part of our common heritage. Those attending will be a select audience. No racist organizations will be allowed. And we will only admit parties that are solidly democratic.

This conference will be the start of an Alliance of European patriots. This Alliance will serve as the backbone for all organizations and political parties that oppose jihad and Islamization. For this Alliance I seek your support.

This endeavor may be crucial to America and to the West. America may hold fast to the dream that, thanks tot its location, it is safe from jihad and shaira. But seven years ago to the day, there was still smoke rising from ground zero, following the attacks that forever shattered that dream. Yet there is a danger even greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome, Athens and Jerusalem.

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe’s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

This is not the first time our civilization is under threat. We have seen dangers before. We have been betrayed by our elites before. They have sided with our enemies before. And yet, then, freedom prevailed.

These are not times in which to take lessons from appeasement, capitulation, giving away, giving up or giving in. These are not times in which to draw lessons from Mr. Chamberlain. These are times calling us to draw lessons from Mr. Churchill and the words he spoke in 1942:

“Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy”.



TOPICS: Catholic; Islam; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: eurabia; europe; fitna; geertwilders; holland; islamization; israel; palestine

1 posted on 09/28/2008 3:16:22 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Powerful!


2 posted on 09/28/2008 3:17:41 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

The bad part is that the non_muslim Euros will move here and spread their socialist teachings, instead of saving their own continent. Whether we like it or not, it looks like we will have to save their sorry behinds for the nth time.


3 posted on 09/28/2008 3:21:53 PM PDT by max americana
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Sorry Geert. What do you think America can do? Can we save Europe from themselves? We tried twice in the last century, and it was a waste of our treaures and talents. Europe is bound for self-destruction-- suicide by bureaucracy; and the best thing America can do is keep her powder dry.

But hey we will be sorry to see you all go, if that helps.

4 posted on 09/28/2008 3:24:10 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NYer

BTTT


5 posted on 09/28/2008 3:25:10 PM PDT by MattinNJ (When we lost Reagan, we lost a King. We now have our Queen. All hail Queen Palin.)
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To: NYer

In a generation or two, we may not recognise Europe, much less worry about losing it.


6 posted on 09/28/2008 3:26:50 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: NYer

A better and more urgent question is , Who lost America? becuase win or lose an America that gives Barack Obama almost 50% or more of it’s votes is definitely lost.


7 posted on 09/28/2008 3:28:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (MSM Lied, Journalism Died. RIP 2008)
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To: max americana
The bad part is that the non_muslim Euros will move here and spread their socialist teachings

Our immigration laws together with lack of enforcement ensure that only massive numbers of socialist-leaning Third Worlders move here, so we won't have to worry about socialist-leaning Europeans moving here.

8 posted on 09/28/2008 3:37:22 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: NYer

Muzzie bump


9 posted on 09/28/2008 3:50:08 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (What do you call 2 toddlers and some duct tape??........muslim body armor!!!!!!!)
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To: max americana

“Whether we like it or not, it looks like we will have to save their sorry behinds for the nth time.”

Europe will have to wait. We have to save America first, from the evil and corrupting and oppressive tyranny of Obama and his Marxist legions and their imbecilic lemming followers.


10 posted on 09/28/2008 3:52:40 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: NYer
“Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy”.

PING - These animals will have to be confronted - and I think more and more Patriots are ready to come forth and confront Islam's murderous ideology.
11 posted on 09/28/2008 3:53:22 PM PDT by steel_resolve (We are living in the post-rational world where being a moron is an asset)
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To: max americana
The bad part is that the non_muslim Euros will move here and spread their socialist teachings.

Do you have a source for this?

IMHO, the US is already teetering on the brink of socialism. The outcome of this election should indicate how far we have progressed down that road.

12 posted on 09/28/2008 4:11:36 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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Ping!


13 posted on 09/28/2008 4:17:12 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
"Multiculturalism and diversity here are often heralded as the primary catalyst for development, growth and ingenuity both here and abroad. What many in the West fail to understand is that this perceived Utopian society that many in the West wish to emulate would never function without the authoritative measures needed to constantly behind the scenes defuse all the ethnic and religious time bombs present in such a multicultural society." ~ Multiculturalism versus Freedom

"Not unlike the countries in Southeast Asia, America and the West will seriously have to consider implementing further authoritative measures within our own societies in the near future to deal with the revanche of Islamic fundamentalism should we fail to address the political aspirations and aspects of Islam now." ~ The Crossing of the Rubicon

14 posted on 09/28/2008 4:19:37 PM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE and Help Beat Obama)
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The author, B’at Yeor (a woman), has dealt in great detail of the EUs early formation and dedication to merging the Mahgreb and other Islamic states (via the Arab League) into the EU, with a gradual, assimilative, constructive process...here is a quote..”This policy [of Eurabia] led to numerous agreements between Europe and the Arab countries that led to immigration, a strong Arab immigration and Muslim immigration into Europe, and also the weakening of Western democracy and values, and their replacement by a more Islamic tendency.

“So this is Eurabia. It is a Euro-Arab unification, a geographic, cultural unification. This is the policy of the European Union, which aims at transforming Europe by destroying the nation-states and the nationalism of the European nation-state, in order to promote a big entity, a big European entity, which will be united with the Arab countries.”

The answer is that Europe brought the present to itself with great focus and dedication in a way that was never articulated to the cititzens of Europe. The concept of Eurabia was not discovered until about 3 or four years ago when in a question and answer period in Paris, Bernard Lewis answered someones question stating that Europe would be Islamic by the end of the 21st century. Europe, and, all its leaders were electrified to varying degree, and, only in the last couple of years has Europes’ populace even begun do deal with the issues all are now aware of.
Fjordman, a prominent Scandanavian blogger has detailed all this in the last few years...most of his descriptions and analyses are at:http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2006/02/fjordman-files.html Scroll down especially for his pieces on ‘The Eurabia Code’ in parts..the links are good.


15 posted on 09/28/2008 4:24:52 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: steel_resolve

I have just copied Churchill’s words and posted them on the wall beside my desk so that I see them several times a day. I don’t know if you-all saw the Geert Wilders film, but I did - before it was yanked off the internet. It is simple, and powerful.

Supporting Geert and his growing band of patriots in Europe is a good thing. It is NOT supporting the weak-kneed but the good, strong people who want what we want over here. Many of my family members gave up their lives to free Europe, and some are buried there. There is always a price to be paid for freedom.

Geert is the Churchill of Holland — and if there are enough like him, perhaps Europe can be rescued. And it should be rescued. His life is in danger every day and everywhere he goes. They want him dead. It would be easy for him to run and hide - but he’s standing up, and speaking out, and he deserves to be heard. And listened to.

Otherwise, who would you trade with? And if you argue isolationism, you would have to start from scratch, back to the horse-and-buggy days of America, to total self-sufficiency. Could that be done with all those nukes pointed at North America from so many places around the world?


16 posted on 09/28/2008 4:25:17 PM PDT by border bud
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To: steel_resolve

I have just copied Churchill’s words and posted them on the wall beside my desk so that I see them several times a day. I don’t know if you-all saw the Geert Wilders film, but I did - before it was yanked off the internet. It is simple, and powerful.

Supporting Geert and his growing band of patriots in Europe is a good thing. It is NOT supporting the weak-kneed but the good, strong people who want what we want over here. Many of my family members gave up their lives to free Europe, and some are buried there. There is always a price to be paid for freedom.

Geert is the Churchill of Holland — and if there are enough like him, perhaps Europe can be rescued. And it should be rescued. His life is in danger every day and everywhere he goes. They want him dead. It would be easy for him to run and hide - but he’s standing up, and speaking out, and he deserves to be heard. And listened to.

Otherwise, who would you trade with? And if you argue isolationism, you would have to start from scratch, back to the horse-and-buggy days of America, to total self-sufficiency. Could that be done with all those nukes pointed at North America from so many places around the world?


17 posted on 09/28/2008 4:25:21 PM PDT by border bud
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Wow. And to think I suffered the curse of Cassandra for bringing all this up years ago.

Get Ready For Change America !

"Have we become so desirous of somehow breaching the cultural chasm that divides the Muslim world and the Western world that we would sacrifice our own convictions and ardent beliefs on the altar of political correctness?"

continued...

Submission Of The Infidels

18 posted on 09/28/2008 4:28:16 PM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE and Help Beat Obama)
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“...and the best thing America can do is keep her powder dry.”

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And a key part of that is what happens on November 4th. Obama will not only prevent America from keeping its powder dry, he will take the powder away.


19 posted on 09/28/2008 4:29:08 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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In a generation or two (or maybe sooner) we will not be able to recognize our own country.


20 posted on 09/28/2008 4:32:21 PM PDT by 38special (I mean come on.)
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To: hinckley buzzard; MattinNJ; dr_who
Sorry Geert. What do you think America can do? Can we save Europe from themselves? We tried twice in the last century, and it was a waste of our treaures and talents. Europe is bound for self-destruction-- suicide by bureaucracy; and the best thing America can do is keep her powder dry.

You have missed the point of his speech. It is a warning to us. Don't believe it? The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness.

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community.

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply).

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (Ei: car-burnings in France last October.) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats.

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines).

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia].

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt).

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria].

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.


I grew up Catholic in post war America. Just a few blocks from my home, a 2 minaret mosque is being constructed. This is so alien to my heritage, yet here it is, just around the corner in "hometown" America.

21 posted on 09/28/2008 4:39:11 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I, however, will continue to speak up for Israel.
22 posted on 09/28/2008 4:44:17 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: border bud

Bravo!


23 posted on 09/28/2008 4:53:11 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: 38special
In a generation or two (or maybe sooner) we will not be able to recognize our own country.

This is the sad truth! As Santayana said:

Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it.

Notice that the majority of posters are pointing fingers towards Europe with little or no regard for the Muslim infiltration of our own country. May God have mercy on us!

24 posted on 09/28/2008 4:57:07 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Europe sealed her fate when she rejected Jesus Christ. She has now been turned over to a “stong delusion.” Out of Europe will rise the Antichrist, of which the Old Roman Empire has already been established. The Euro is on the verge of overtaking the dollar now. Just a matter of time before the United States of Europe rise to the occasion that has been propheisied for years.


25 posted on 09/28/2008 5:02:44 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

Where in the bible does it say that the Anti Christ will come out of Europe?


26 posted on 09/28/2008 5:09:22 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.stopsidsnow.com)
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To: NYer

Unfortunately, the communists won the cold war against us without a shot being fired. Whether it’s the commies or the muzzies, the US is in it’s death throes unless something drastic happens-soon.


27 posted on 09/28/2008 5:24:25 PM PDT by MattinNJ (When we lost Reagan, we lost a King. We now have our Queen. All hail Queen Palin.)
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To: antioscar

must read ping!


28 posted on 09/28/2008 5:27:36 PM PDT by callthemlikeyouseethem (Miss England: "Even moderate Muslims are turning to terrorism to prove themselves.")
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To: NYer

**Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behaviour, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots.**

Could this happen in America too?


29 posted on 09/28/2008 6:25:09 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

GW bump!


30 posted on 09/28/2008 6:28:14 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: NYer

...And what I am fearful is that this socialism that America is taking towards could end up planting the seeds of a possible future bloody second civil war.


31 posted on 09/28/2008 8:33:09 PM PDT by Biggirl (Good night and good bye Pumpkin,sweet gentleman cat. (June 29, 1998-September 23, 2008) =^..^=)
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To: NYer
"I, however, will continue to speak up for Israel."

Amen and right on!
32 posted on 09/29/2008 8:19:39 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (“Do you know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.” - V.P. Sarah Palin)
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To: NYer
"I, however, will continue to speak up for Israel."

Amen and right on!
33 posted on 09/29/2008 8:19:51 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (“Do you know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.” - V.P. Sarah Palin)
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To: Salvation
Could this happen in America too?

It has already begun. There have been Muslim cab drivers who refused to accept passengers with alcohol on their breath. So far, their complaints have been turned down. it's just a matter of time though.

34 posted on 09/29/2008 4:20:48 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...
Samuel Huntington writes it so aptly: “Islam has bloody borders”. Israel is located precisely on that border. This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.


35 posted on 10/02/2008 10:46:43 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: NYer

http://greekgenocide.org/


36 posted on 10/03/2008 6:52:10 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: NYer

A well thought-out warning from a brave and intelligent man.

Wilders’ observations dovetail perfectly with those made by Mark Steyn in his book “America Alone.”


37 posted on 10/03/2008 7:00:35 AM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: NYer

Awesome post! Thank you!


38 posted on 10/03/2008 9:50:02 AM PDT by PeterFinn (NObama in NOvember.)
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To: Bokababe; BabaYaga; FormerLib

An islamic takeover could happen here, too, but some years (or decades) after Western Europe.

I started to write a novel about that, with the action centered in the town in which I grew up. But I stopped when I realized that it could never be published.

Someone did publish a novel about an islamic America in the future—I don’t recall who. (I only read a review.) But in this person’s novel, only Jews had any real trouble as a result of the islamic takeover, and the whole scene was much prettier than in my novel.

Make no mistake about it. A Europe or an America conquered by islam would NOT be pretty at all!!!! There would be a massive slaughter, and all those who were left and refused to convert to islam would be placed under the severe restrictions of the Dhimma.

Let’s not let it happen!!!!


39 posted on 10/03/2008 1:03:02 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: NYer

Whoever invented the birth-control pill.


40 posted on 10/03/2008 1:06:36 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Honorary Serb; PeterFinn; Interesting Times
I have noticed that in those Middle Eastern countries where westerners are brought in as labor, some easing of Islamic regulations have been applied. For example, St. Mary's Catholic Church in Dubai was founded by the late Sheikh Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum, Vice President and Prime Minister of the U.A.E. A Saudi prince has begun discussion with Pope Benedict on the possibility of building a Catholic Church in Saudi Arabia.

These are small gestures but, in a sense, they mirror the small steps taken by Muslims in our country. I personally know a priest in Lebanon who received 65 Muslims into the Catholic Church last year. Perhaps the best response to the islamization of Europe is the christianization of the Middle East. It's a stretch to envision this in our lifetime but ... your thoughts?

41 posted on 10/03/2008 2:18:29 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer; PeterFinn; Interesting Times; Bokababe; BabaYaga; FormerLib

I know about the UAE, Bahrein, and Qatar, and to a lesser extent Oman and Jordan. These countries are trying to be both islamic, and citizens of the 21st century. The same applies to moderate muslim citizens of our country. These countries not only have Western workers (some at a high level), but also Christian (Maronite, Orthodox, etc.) workers from such countries as Lebanon, India (Kerala Syrian Orthodox), Russia, and Serbia. And they want westerners to visit their countries as tourists, and spend lots of money in their malls.

As a result, they have churches in several of their cities. (I do NOT believe that Saudi Arabia will allow any churches.) But they have strict prohibitions against anything they consider “proselytism”, and no non-muslim may be a citizen or permanent resident of any of these countries.

What makes moderate islam possible is that the Qu’ran is a contradictory book. The surahs that were written early (In Mecca) teach tolerance for the Peoples of the Book, and peace. Those that were written late (in Medina) teach war, “kill the infidels wherever you find them”, etc. There are of course also lax muslims, as there are lax Christians.

Despite this latitude for moderate islam, any movement for mass immigration and creation of enclaves within traditionally Christian countries, and their eventual conquest, will NOT be moderate. The result will be mass slaughter, pressure to convert to islam, and dhimmitude for those who refuse.

The best defense is the creation of Christian renewal movements in the Orthodox world and in the West. The reestablishment of a largely Christian Lebanon should be part and parcel of this. In obedience to the Great Commission, we must teach Christ to the muslims, as well as other pagans. But, as shown by the resistance to “proselytism” even in Dubai and Abu Dhabi, and the command to kill “apostate” muslims, it will be very difficult.

However, if we have Christian renewal movements, the muslims may want what we have spiritually, not just materially. Right now, they despise the West’s godlessness and immorality, since they attribute such things as the “gay” movement and feminism to “Christians”. All they want is our money and technology.


42 posted on 10/03/2008 4:46:54 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb; NYer; Bokababe; FormerLib; All
Jihad Against the West: Europe
43 posted on 10/03/2008 6:07:49 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: NYer
Geert Wilders: "In a generation or two,
the US will ask itself: who lost Europe?" [Must Read]


I'm on Wilders side.
But he's off on the chronological scale.

In LESS than a generation, the dhimmis of the USA will be asking:
"Who among us surrendered the USA to the Islamics and their Oil barons?
...and the invaders from what was our southern borders?"
44 posted on 10/03/2008 6:10:47 PM PDT by VOA
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To: All
Geert Wilders in HARDtalk
45 posted on 10/03/2008 6:30:37 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: Bokababe

bttt


46 posted on 10/04/2008 4:48:03 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE and Help Beat Obama)
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To: Honorary Serb

I started writing a future-political novel but abandoned it when reality got weirder faster than I could revise.

You should finish yours, just extrapolate things out farther than you had at first.


47 posted on 10/04/2008 5:13:41 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: PLMerite; BabaYaga

My novel is centered on events that happen around 30 years after the muslim takeover. So it is extrapolated out quite far. There are several chapters, however, in which the main character tells the story of what it was like to survive the conquest, and to live during the suceeding 29 years.

I would not call my novel weird. A lot of it involves the contrast between normal heartland American life, and the strangeness of living that life as a dhimmi in a dhimmi community. The novel will even have a happy ending, if I ever get that far.

However, because the novel involves telling the truth about what would happen if the muslims conquer first Western Europe and then America, it could never be published. Look at the Wikipedia entry for the movie “Fitna”, and see what would happen.


48 posted on 10/04/2008 4:08:28 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb; NYer
I saw it as well as Submission - What Theo van Gogh was murdered for, grait-grandson of Theo van Gogh (art-dealer, Vincent`s brother).

Maybe it would be good to get back in history a bit, perhaps serbian. If you understand serbian there are thousands of documents in History archive of Serbia, serbian sources as well as turkish (Ottomans meticulously documented kaurins (giaour) or infidels for tax per capita). I have one of those - book "Turkish documents for history of Belgrade". Some "great" history Serbs had under turkish occupation /s. Or you could start with prose literature, for example one Nobel award master-piece The Bridge on the Drina or The Bridge on the Drina plus some history.

It`s for "to learn from history and not to repeat it in the future". However I do not have illusion that people learn anything from history that can, will and want to use to protect their future and not because that history doesnt "repeat" itself. I cannot and wouldn`t (from the all the sources in history and archaeology that I read) say just repeat, it has some similar patterns: in use of power, motifs and exuses for wars, attacs, murders, conquers, submitions as well as the propriate forms to stand up against all that and fight. So I could say that modus operandi would be similar or same in some cases, but time, human evolution and cumulative knowledge of human kind is always changing, giving us that +1 blurred "reason" to repeat it in slightly different form. That`s why I think that no matter how people know, learn and recognize bad things, processes and tendencies that have some resemblances in history, history itself like newly formed presence does repeat over and over again in future times not because people do not want to avoid bad things but because it is actually in the human nature - that one reason more. To say it differently - the less you know about history - less you worry about future, especially if someone elses nation`s severe history is not the same or similar as of your own, but if enough people wake up is always a good start to think how to fight back.

49 posted on 10/04/2008 7:12:48 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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