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To: Star Traveler; mlocher; Alex Murphy; mnehrling; Just mythoughts
Thanks for making that point and perhaps it will take people away from trying to make a big issue on “when” a teaching became known to the public and rather — into the authoritative word of God (instead).

All orthodox Christians agree that at Christ’s return, all the saints are resurrected and receive their glorified bodies. Those who are living at the time are “changed” and go into the glorified state without tasting physical death. Those who are alive will not precede those who have died in this transaction. All orthodox Christians also teach a resurrection of the unrighteous followed by their entry into eternal torment.

He ascended into heaven
    and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
    whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in …
    the resurrection of the body,
    and life everlasting.

What all orthodox Christians do not agree upon is the notion that the resurrection of the just and the unjust is separated by a period of time, whether it be 1000 years or 1007 years, or ??? Or, for that matter, whether there is a separation in time between the resurrection of one group of believers and another group.

In order to justify the second scenario, a whole lot of speculative ideas have to be read into 2 verses of the Bible, namely 1 Thess. 4:16,17. You have to believe (impose upon the text) that because Paul only mentions believers that he intended to place a chronological gap between the resurrection of the just and the unjust. Or, because Paul uses the phrase “to meet the Lord in the air” that somehow that means that Jesus turns the boat around and we all hightail it back to “heaven” to sit out the “great tribulation”. And because of this convoluted theology you have to assert that the “trumpet” of 1 Thess. 4 is different from the “last trumpet” of 1 Cor. 15. Or that the “last trumpet” of 1 Cor. 15 is really not the “last trumpet” because they are plainly other “last trumpets” in the book of Revelation (which supposedly all happens after the “rapture”, according to the popular theory).

So if you look a the two scenarios, and compare them to the Bible, the orthodox version which claims one resurrection of both the just and unjust and one general judgment of all men, and the second, with multiple coming, multiple appearances, multiple resurrections, multiple judgments, etc., you can understand why this second scenario has been rejected by the majority of Christians since its development in 1830.

Most of us have had enough time to study it over the last 170 years and found it does not, in fact, fit with all we read in the Bible.

118 posted on 10/08/2008 2:05:39 PM PDT by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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To: topcat54
“last trumpet” of 1 Cor. 15. Or that the “last trumpet” of 1 Cor. 15 is really not the “last trumpet” because they are plainly other “last trumpets” in the book of Revelation (which supposedly all happens after the “rapture”, according to the popular theory).

There is no 'last' trumpet in 1 Cor. 15...It is the 'last trump' of a trumpet...The noise a trumpet makes is obviously a 'trump'...

It's no wonder you got things all messed up...You claim trump means trumpet...Obviously not...Doesn't make much sense in English, or Greek...'The last trumpet of the trumpet'???

Hey, if you try to discern what it actually says instead of what you'd like it to say, you'd get a far better understanding...When you claim it says the 'last trumpet of the trumpet', you're not giving the Holy Spirit much to work with...

159 posted on 10/09/2008 6:29:32 AM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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To: topcat54
All orthodox Christians agree that at Christ’s return, all the saints are resurrected and receive their glorified bodies.

I suspect such are in short supply here.

160 posted on 10/09/2008 8:10:27 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (What part of "and I will raise him up on the _last_ day" is hard to understand?)
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