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To: Just mythoughts
Yup we have the Lord descending..... at a "trump" the last one as there are seven.

It doesn't say trumpet...It says trump...Trump is the sound a trumpet makes...This is NOT one of the seven trumpets in Revelation...

Yup we have the Lord descending..... at a "trump" the last one as there are seven. Now the 'dead' will rise first as that is what happens when flesh dies the 'soul' returns to the Maker that sent it.

It's not talking about the soul...It's talking about the graves...The graves being opened and dead BODIES being raised...Just as Jesus' dead body was raised...

And then it speaks about these bodies (dead and alive) being changed...Just as Jesus' body was changed...

63 posted on 10/08/2008 7:31:19 AM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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To: Iscool
It doesn't say trumpet...It says trump...Trump is the sound a trumpet makes...This is NOT one of the seven trumpets in Revelation...

Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.... make that noise or trump. And here Paul writes in I Thessalonians For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:... are you saying there are more than seven trumpets making that sound??? The seventh trumpet sounding is the trump that describes the return of Christ and here Paul's subject is the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven.

How is it that the Savior's descent gets ignored and a doctrine of air got its inception?

67 posted on 10/08/2008 7:48:14 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Iscool
It doesn't say trumpet...It says trump...Trump is the sound a trumpet makes...This is NOT one of the seven trumpets in Revelation...

Once again an English translation of the Greek NT gets the best of the argument.

There is but one Greek word translated "trump" and "trumpet" in the KJV NT ( savlpigx). Any distinction, such as the one above, based on the KJV rendering is arbitrary and unsupported by the Greek text.

In fact, the NJKV corrects the language of the older version by replacing all the "trumps" with "trumpet"

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first." (1 Thess. 4:16)

Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 15 that believers rise “at the last trumpet” on the last day which corresponds to the “trumpet” in 1 Thess. 4:16.

Besides, in virtually all the cases where the word is used in the NT, it is not the instrument that is in focus but the sound the instrument is making. So trying to make some distinction between the sound and the instrument is theologically unnecessary.

72 posted on 10/08/2008 8:22:15 AM PDT by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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