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To: Iscool
It doesn't say trumpet...It says trump...Trump is the sound a trumpet makes...This is NOT one of the seven trumpets in Revelation...

Once again an English translation of the Greek NT gets the best of the argument.

There is but one Greek word translated "trump" and "trumpet" in the KJV NT ( savlpigx). Any distinction, such as the one above, based on the KJV rendering is arbitrary and unsupported by the Greek text.

In fact, the NJKV corrects the language of the older version by replacing all the "trumps" with "trumpet"

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first." (1 Thess. 4:16)

Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 15 that believers rise “at the last trumpet” on the last day which corresponds to the “trumpet” in 1 Thess. 4:16.

Besides, in virtually all the cases where the word is used in the NT, it is not the instrument that is in focus but the sound the instrument is making. So trying to make some distinction between the sound and the instrument is theologically unnecessary.

72 posted on 10/08/2008 8:22:15 AM PDT by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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To: topcat54; Iscool

Iscool>It doesn't say trumpet...It says trump...Trump is the sound a trumpet makes...This is NOT one of the seven trumpets in Revelation...

Once again an English translation of the Greek NT gets the best of the argument.

There is but one Greek word translated "trump" and "trumpet" in the KJV NT ( savlpigx). Any distinction, such as the one above, based on the KJV rendering is arbitrary and unsupported by the Greek text.

In fact, the NJKV corrects the language of the older version by replacing all the "trumps" with "trumpet"

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first." (1 Thess. 4:16)

Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 15 that believers rise “at the last trumpet” on the last day which corresponds to the “trumpet” in 1 Thess. 4:16.

Besides, in virtually all the cases where the word is used in the NT, it is not the instrument that is in focus but the sound the instrument is making. So trying to make some distinction between the sound and the instrument is theologically unnecessary.

72 posted on October 8, 2008 9:22:15 AM MDT by topcat54

You are correct They are all the GSN - 4536.

Review Leviticus 25:9 where it(GSN - 4538) is used in the LXX as a replacement for the word shofer HSN - 7782.

NAsbU Leviticus 25:9 'You shall then sound a ram's horn abroad on the tenth day
of the seventh month; on the day of atonement you shall sound a horn all through your land.
So the trump( 1 Thess. 4:16) that Paul is speaking of just might be a shofer on the day of atonment.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
75 posted on 10/08/2008 9:49:59 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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