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To: Star Traveler; Alex Murphy; mnehrling; mlocher; Just mythoughts
In reference to the “idea” (being presented here and elsewhere) that the teaching (and/or preaching) about the so-called “rapture” (or “taking up”) is something that has not been taught before in history, prior to the time that you mentioned (around the 1800s) — there are written historical comments going back centuries that do mention the teaching.

Here is a short article outlining three of them, which have been found...

There are none. I realized Tommy Ice and the Pre-Trib Research Center have been running around for decades misquoting ancient text to support his beliefs, but that fact is that none of these pre-Darby authors are teaching a pre-trib rapture. His theories have been debunked in several places.

The Catholic Church, which held sway for many centuries over teachings from the Bible (overwhelmingly) did not teach this and would actually persecute and/or kill anyone who taught different from their own doctrines (if they wouldn’t repent). So, it’s definitely not in the mainstream of Catholic teaching and they did hold a *major* position over the centuries, until just recently.

There were many generations of Protestants before and after Darby who had no notion of a secret pre-trib rapture of the Church. There were centuries of early Church fathers, unfettered by the medieval Roman Catholic hierarchy, that had no notion of a pre-trib rapture.

What pre-tribbers call the rapture is really just the Second Coming from the Christians’ vantage point.

82 posted on 10/08/2008 10:26:27 AM PDT by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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To: topcat54; Alex Murphy; mnehrling; mlocher; Just mythoughts; Quix; Mr. Mojo; RockinRight; svcw; ...

You said (in reference to the three documents which show the existence of ancient writings about the Rapture) — “There are none.”

Well, I would say it’s kind of hard to talk about the issue and those three documents that were referenced in the article (plus the English translation that was given for one) — when you say — “There are none.”

You’ve just indicated that even when presented with evidence, you deny it and refuse to acknowledge they even exist.... LOL... (even when it’s printed right here for your perusal).

On that basis, I would say there’s not too much else someone can say to a person who refuses to acknowledge the very documents that have been put in front of their face...


90 posted on 10/08/2008 10:54:03 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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