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Teresa of Avila (1515-1582)
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Posted on 10/07/2008 9:02:24 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: Alex Murphy
This isn't the first time that a Catholic on this forum accused all Protestants of wearing the white hood!

This isn't even the first time. Someone puts kkk in the keywords, and you claim that equates to accusing all Protestants of wearing the white hood?

Ridiculous.

21 posted on 10/08/2008 6:08:35 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: little jeremiah
Thank you. I have heard before that the Catholic Church refused to allow people to read the Bible, unless they knew Latin, and I confess I never researched it. I found it hard to believe, though.

More than that...No one was allowed to own a bible other than the church (clergy)...Their Latin bibles were chained down in the churches so no one could run off with them...

22 posted on 10/08/2008 6:44:38 AM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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To: redhead; Desdemona; Salvation; Petronski; Ciexyz
If anything, the Western/Latin Church owes the most to St. Teresa of Avila for pretty much single-handedly rekindling devotion to St. Joseph.

St. Joseph, pray for us!
St. Teresa of Avila, pray for us!

23 posted on 10/08/2008 7:16:49 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: little jeremiah
You have to remember a few things about the Church and society in those times. First, literacy was not a common trait amongst the common people - thus, even if they had Scripture in their own language, they wouldn't be able to make heads or tails of it. That is the reason you see such gorgeous reliefs and stained glass windows in European Churches. They demonstrated the Scripture in a visual manner, making it accessible to common folks.

Further, the Scripture was proclaimed at Mass in Latin (to the best of my knowledge) for two reasons. One, there were (are) such a multitude of languages in the Church in Europe that it was a common standard which everyone would be able to understand. There were hundreds of dialects on the Italian peninsula alone; Latin was the basis of those dialects, and was the same no matter where you were. This ensured the faithful would always be able to hear the Truth with the same comprehension they would hear in their home parish. Second, using Latin prevents things getting "lost in translation." Think of the word Apologist - many English speakers would think that means "someone who says they are sorry." Obviously, that is not the meaning. With Theological discussions, you need very fine precision - look at the basis of the phrase "not one iota of difference" for an example.

But, no, the Church would allow people to read the Scripture in their own language if it was translated correctly, but books were very, very expensive and most people couldn't read. Thus, it wasn't a common occurrence.

24 posted on 10/08/2008 7:22:38 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Desdemona; Salvation
I think facts are being misconstrued here. Misconstrued is not quite right. IMO, the very aspects of St. Teresa's life that we admire, honor and respect as great examples of sacrifice and proof of her love for God are being used to make her look like a fool. Nothing is further from the truth. Sad.

BTTT! Well said. It's very sad, in it's timing, too.

25 posted on 10/08/2008 7:50:28 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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KEYWORDS: anticatholic; catholicbashing; kkk; moacb; revisionisthistory; Click to Add Keyword

I see that I still have my secret admirers! I wonder if they have my poster on their bedroom ceilings, too?

26 posted on 10/08/2008 10:51:14 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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To: little jeremiah

The printing press was not in use until the end of St. Theresa’s life. Ergo, any copying of the bible was done by monks laboring years with pen and parchment. They didn’t bother with the “vernacular” for obvious reasons. All priests and most religious spoke and read Latin. The bible was made widely available in almost every language on earth as soon as the printing press made it reasonable to do so. Prior to the printing press,most parishes only had one bible, because it took so much work. This is why a gospel passage and an epistle passage are read at every Mass and always have been and always will be.


27 posted on 10/08/2008 1:10:52 PM PDT by Truelove (qui tacet consentit)
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To: Pyro7480
If anything, the Western/Latin Church owes the most to St. Teresa of Avila for pretty much single-handedly rekindling devotion to St. Joseph.

She also did a lot to clean up the convents.

28 posted on 10/08/2008 8:35:40 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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To: Truelove; Iscool

This is correct and also these facts have been posted on this forum too manny times to even count and yet there are always those who will falsely accuse the Church of not wanting anyone to own their own Bible

Yes, Bibles, being hand-scripted, took too much work prior to the printing press for anyone to privately own one. And even IF they did own one-—it would not have been handily brought to Church for reference during services—it would have had to be hauled in on a little cart.

The constant repetition of this falsehood is like that old saying-—”tell a lie often enough and people will begin to believe it”. It’s called by another name—propaganda.


29 posted on 10/08/2008 11:48:00 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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