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Archbishop Burke appointed to head Vatican’s ‘bar association’
CNA ^ | October 8, 2008

Posted on 10/09/2008 1:54:27 PM PDT by NYer


Archbishop Raymond Burke

Vatican City, Oct 8, 2008 / 05:58 pm (CNA).- On Tuesday, the former Archbishop of St. Louis, Raymond Burke, received an appointment from Pope Benedict XVI making him the head of the Vatican’s bar association.

In addition to his duties as the prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, Archbishop Burke will now serve as the president of the Commission for Advocates. The president of the commission is in charge of admitting canon lawyers to the Vatican’s "bar association."

Those who are admitted to represent the Holy See in the Apostolic Signatura must be qualified by "a suitable preparation attested by appropriate academic degrees, and at the same time be recommended by their example of a Christian life, honorable character, and expertise," according to the Apostolic Constitution "Pastor Bonus."

The large majority of Burke’s time will still be dedicated to running the Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura. The Church’s Supreme Court, as the Signatura is sometimes called, oversees the administration of justice within the Church, examining administrative matters referred to it by the Congregations of the Roman Curia, as well as questions committed to it by the Holy Father.


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: burke; vatican

1 posted on 10/09/2008 1:54:30 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Caught sight of him this morning at the Memorial Mass for Pius XII. He looks great!


2 posted on 10/09/2008 1:55:19 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

When is going to come clean about the bishops’ USCCB Catholic Campaing for Human Develpment on how they fund ACORN and other obama-like community agencies that support planned parenthood by direct donations from the Community Groups like ACORN and by these community groups partnering with Planned Parenthood.


3 posted on 10/09/2008 3:41:47 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Coleus

You wrote:

“When is going to come clean about the bishops’ USCCB Catholic Campaing for Human Develpment...”

Archbishop Burke has never been thought of as a friend of left wing “Catholic” groups.


4 posted on 10/09/2008 4:39:29 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

all dioceses, including HIS, are involved with the campaign, he is a part of it. He has a mouth and can repudiate the USCCB for participating in this planned parenthood funding scheme and has NOT done so. Guilty as Charged.


5 posted on 10/09/2008 5:07:17 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Coleus

You wrote:

“all dioceses, including HIS, are involved with the campaign, he is a part of it.”

I think you’re going to have to prove that his diocese is an active and knowing partner in the campaign you’re talking about. You’re also going to have to remember he has no diocese. He is no longer serving as a diocesan bishop.

“He has a mouth and can repudiate the USCCB for participating in this planned parenthood funding scheme and has NOT done so. Guilty as Charged.”

What charge?


6 posted on 10/09/2008 5:22:54 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998; Coleus
I think you’re going to have to prove that his diocese is an active and knowing partner in the campaign you’re talking about.

Very true. Burke was picky about what he supported. I don't think he did support it.

You’re also going to have to remember he has no diocese. He is no longer serving as a diocesan bishop.

Ummm, not exactly true. Burke is Archbishop Emeritus of St. Louis. He is one of the only men to have his current job and actually be connected to a diocese. He cried when he told us. So, he technically does have an archdiocese.

7 posted on 10/09/2008 5:47:38 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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To: vladimir998; Coleus
I think you’re going to have to prove that his diocese is an active and knowing partner in the campaign you’re talking about.

Very true. Burke was picky about what he supported. I don't think he did support it.

You’re also going to have to remember he has no diocese. He is no longer serving as a diocesan bishop.

Ummm, not exactly true. Burke is Archbishop Emeritus of St. Louis. He is one of the only men to have his current job and actually be connected to a diocese. He cried when he told us. So, he technically does have an archdiocese.

8 posted on 10/09/2008 5:47:39 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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To: vladimir998
What charge?  >>
 
read post #3, he has yet to repudiate the cchd.  He's just as bad as the other 195 bishops who participate in this program.
 
You’re also going to have to remember he has no diocese. He is no longer serving as a diocesan bishop.  >>>

are you for real?  He's been a diocesan bishop for many years, since 1994!  Stop trying to play me.  It's only recently that the pope reassigned him on June 27.
 
I think you’re going to have to prove that his diocese is an active and knowing partner in the campaign you’re talking about.   >>>
 
I was waiting for you to say that
 
From the CCHD Website
Missouri

Diocese of Jefferson City

Ms. Barbara Ross
Social Concerns Office
P.O. Box 104900
Jefferson City, MO 65110-4900
Phone: (573) 635-9127
Fax: (573) 635-2286
E-mail: socconcerns@diojeffcity.org

Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph

Mr. Jerry Young
Director, Human Rights Office
P.O. Box 419037
Kansas City, MO 64141-6037
Phone: (816) 756-1858 x 534
Fax: (816) 756-5221
Email: young@diocesekcsj.org

Diocese of Springfield/Cape Girardeau

Dr. Donald R. Emge, Ph.D.
601 S. Jefferson Ave.
Springfield, MO 65806-3143
Phone: (417) 866-0841
Fax: (417) 866-1140
Email: demge@dioscg.org

Archdiocese of St. Louis

Ms. Leodia Gooch
Director
Human Rights Office
20 Archbishop May Dr.
St. Louis, MO 63119
Phone: (314) 792-7641
Fax: (314) 792-7654
E-mail: Lgooch@archstl.org  

and from his old diocese

Diocese of LaCrosse

Dr. Arthur Hippler
Office of Justice & Peace
P.O. Box 4004 / 3710 E. Avenue South
LaCrosse, WI 54602-4004
Phone: (920) 437-7531 x8299
E-mail: justiceandpeace@dioceseoflacrosse.com
 

9 posted on 10/09/2008 5:51:20 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Desdemona

above in red, from both dioceses he served, BTW, every diocese in the USA participates even Bishop Bruskiewicz. They’re all guilty.

Diocese of Lincoln

Rev. Mark Huber
P.O. Box 80328
Lincoln, NE 68501
Phone: (402) 488-0921
Fax: (402) 488-3569


10 posted on 10/09/2008 5:53:47 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Desdemona

You wrote:

“Ummm, not exactly true. Burke is Archbishop Emeritus of St. Louis.”

Archbishop emeritus means he has no diocese. He gets to keep the title of his former diocese precisely because he has no diocese now. It used to be that bishops in that situation were routinely given titular sees.

“Bishops who work in the Vatican as administrators or diplomats and who therefore don’t head their own dioceses, or sees, have an extinct diocese attached to their title. But Bertone told Burke he would not receive an extinct see. Rather, he would become the emeritus archbishop of St. Louis — “to my great joy,” Burke said.” http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/religion/story/2C864C10CE1D144B862574A9000CDB85?OpenDocument

Thus, Burke has no diocese. He serves no diocese as bishop.


11 posted on 10/09/2008 6:00:55 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Coleus

You wrote:

“read post #3, he has yet to repudiate the cchd.”

I already read #3. How do you know what he has done and hasn’t done? Also, how do you know that the CCHD in his old diocese was a problem?

“He’s just as bad as the other 195 bishops who participate in this program.”

According to you? And your opinion is worth what exactly? Is there a single good bishop in the country according to your opinion? Even one?

“are you for real? He’s been a diocesan bishop for many years, since 1994!”

But he isn’t one now. Time for you to move on is it not?

“Stop trying to play me. It’s only recently that the pope reassigned him on June 27.”

And?

“I was waiting for you to say that”

Then why did you fail to provide any evidence? Posting addresses from dioceses other than his own doesn’t even make sense. Automatically that means your first three bits of evidence are as worthless as they seem. The address from St. Louis only proves that CCHD’s website lists that address. It proves nothing about either the bishop’s knowledge or even the activities of CCHD.

Also, I actually KNOW Arthur Hippler. I know him rather well in fact. His story is a fascinating one - converted from communism when he was 17 years old. Converted his family as well. He was indeed the head of the office of justice and peace at LaCrosse. He is ABSOLUTELY 100% orthodox and very traditionally minded often attending the old Latin Mass. He left that office about two years ago, by the way. And that tells me that the CCHD website isn’t even up to date.

Now, if you really knew what and who you were talking about, and you don’t, you would know that Arthur Hippler wrote a book review that was critical of the CCHD: http://www.acton.org/publications/mandm/mandm_review_46.php?view=print


12 posted on 10/09/2008 6:15:45 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

I couuln’t care less about the book. You were provided with sources that the archdioces of st. louis participated in the campaign with contact info. and the info. on the CCHD link; as i said, i suggest you stop wasting my time and contact them. while you’re at it check out the CCHD, ACORN and Planned Parenthood connection.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22acorn%22+%22cchd%22+%22planned+parenthood%22&aq=f&oq=

http://www.usccb.org/cchd/director.shtml#MO

Archdiocese of St. Louis
Catholic Campain For Human Development

http://www.archstl.org/humanrightsoffice/

http://www.archstl.org/humanrightsoffice/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=185

CCHD articles on the FR
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/cchd/index?tab=articles


13 posted on 10/09/2008 6:51:57 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Coleus

You wrote:

“I couuln’t care less about the book.”

Right, you don’t care about evidence that goes againt your template.

“You were provided with sources that the archdioces of st. louis participated in the campaign with contact info. and the info. on the CCHD link;”

No. You provided addresses of those who run Catholic Charities and related offices. Every diocese in the country has such an officer. Every single one. And some of those people have been out of their office for two or more years.

“as i said, i suggest you stop wasting my time and contact them.”

No, I suggest you stop wasting my time by simply admitting that you don’t believe there’s a single worthwhile Catholic bishop in America. That’s the case is it not? If the Usccb and CCHD are your litmus tests then every Catholic bishop in America fails, right? Is that why you refused to address that point about bishops when I last made it?

” while you’re at it check out the CCHD, ACORN and Planned Parenthood connection.”

While you’re at it, tell me the name of a good Catholic bishop in America according to your understanding. Don’t be shy. Give us a name and diocese. Can you?


14 posted on 10/10/2008 4:45:34 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Coleus
all dioceses, including HIS,

Correction: all dioceses, including his former one,

That is assuming your charge is correct.

16 posted on 10/10/2008 4:50:31 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Correction: all dioceses, including his former one, >>

actually, your answer should be his former ones, as he was also bishop of lacross which also participates in the cchd.


18 posted on 10/10/2008 1:41:58 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: vladimir998

While you’re at it, tell me the name of a good Catholic bishop in America according to your understanding. Don’t be shy. Give us a name and diocese. Can you? >>>

I don’t want to tell you. Do you actually think for one minute I care what you think? And who exactly are “us”? are you two people? or do you represent some sort of fringe group?

If the Usccb and CCHD are your litmus tests then every Catholic bishop in America fails, right? >>>

give me some litmus paper and I’ll tell you my answer.

” while you’re at it check out the CCHD, ACORN and Planned Parenthood connection.”>>>

so, did you check? You keep changing the subject. Do some research for a change and stop your rhetoric.

Give us a name and diocese. Can you? >>

Yes, I certainly can. And you’ll have to do more research on other threads to find out.


19 posted on 10/10/2008 1:56:18 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Coleus

You wrote:

“I don’t want to tell you. Do you actually think for one minute I care what you think? And who exactly are “us”? are you two people? or do you represent some sort of fringe group?”

You can’t give us one name? See what I mean? You hold the bishops to a standard that apparently no living bishop can actually live up to. What does that say about your standard when we know that some of those bishops (including Burke) are good and holy men?

“give me some litmus paper and I’ll tell you my answer.”

No, you already failed the test by simply proving my point. Thanks.


20 posted on 10/10/2008 3:20:27 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

who is your bishop?


21 posted on 10/12/2008 9:20:04 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Desdemona; vladimir998
What more proof does anyone need?
 
This is the official USCCB link for dioceses that participate in the CCHD
http://www.usccb.org/cchd/director.shtml#MO
 
The archdiocese of st. louis is listed.  As well as the archdiocese of Denver and the Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska.
 
What vladimir998 failed to understand was that no diocese will have an office or department solely for the CCHD.  He doesn't understand how a diocese is organized.  Two major departments in a diocese are responsible for fundraising and campaigns: the Development Department and the office of Catholic Charities, the CCHD is a part of some campaigns a diocese may run.
 
vladimir998 also failed to go on the CCHD website and see that Archbishop Burke's diocese is listed on the USCCB website as a participant in the CCHD with the ACTUAL collection date in 2006.
http://www.usccb.org/cchd/resources/DiocesanCollectionDates06_by%20diocese.xls  there it is in black and white on the USCCB website.  
 
gee, i wonder who was the archbishop of the arciocese of st. louis in 2006?  It couldn't  be Archbishop Burke?  couldn't  it?  And low and behold, the Archdiocese of Denver is listed as well as the Diocese of Lincoln.
 
oh, and what do we have here? 
 
it's a cchd grant application http://www.archstl.org/humanrightsoffice/images/stories/cchdgrantapplication.pdf
and I wonder from what diocese? could it be St. Louis?
 
and what archdiocese lists a CCHD page on their website?  hmmm, i wonder, oh! it's the archdiocese of st. louis
http://www.archstl.org/humanrightsoffice/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=185
how about that?  It gives a nice brief history of the CCHD and it actually includes a grant application.   
 
Catholic bishops gave millions of dollars to organizations that oppose everything Catholic, to ACORN, to IAF, to CMF but not a cent to struggling pro-life operations like Joe Schiedler's Pro-life Action League
 
Too close for comfort: CCHD, sex and abortion
 
Cleveland Diocese Donated $30,000 To Group With Ties To Abortion
 
then vladimir998 stated in post 12 that according to his friend the cchd isn't up to date with their reporting.  Does it matter, the cchd has been giving money to ACORN and other obama-like marxist community organizations for 30 years.  BTW, vlad is wrong again, this is 2008, the cchd for 2008 isn't over and here are the USCCB reports for 2007.  So, the cchd reports ARE up to date.

 
Abortion and the Catholic Campaign for Human Development: 13 Stories prove Abortion CCHD Link
 
Can Catholic Freepers Stop Our Bishops from Giving Millions to ACORN?  
 
Catholic Bishops Gave $472,000 to Vote Fraud Group, ACORN
 
Democratic deception
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2004/oct/18/20041018-093522-3974r/

22 posted on 10/12/2008 10:48:29 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Coleus

If this is true, then we all need to write to USCCB and ask them to stop funding voter fraud defendant, ACORN.

Now another question, have other denominations taken part in the funding of ACORN?


23 posted on 10/13/2008 9:00:30 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

If this is true, then we all need to write to USCCB and ask them to stop funding voter fraud defendant, ACORN. >>>

If they are all in denial and as thick headed as vladimir998, then there won’t be many contacting the usccb.

the usccb has been funding acorn for 30 years where they turn around and work against pro-life republicans through intimidation, voter fraud and for partnering and donating to Planned Parenthood while catholics defend the very bishops who support this campaign.

And what’s more sickening is that the bishops of the Catholic Church, helped to pay obama’s salary! with our money!


24 posted on 10/13/2008 7:45:34 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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