Posted on 10/18/2008 10:06:35 AM PDT by Publius804
French Jewish Group Opposes Pius XII Sainthood
Friday, October 17, 2008 4:30 PM
PARIS -- France's main Jewish organization warned Friday that efforts to make wartime Pope Pius XII a saint would deal "a severe blow" to relations between Catholics and Jews.
The warning from an umbrella organization of French Jewish groups comes as the Vatican mounts a campaign to refute accusations Pius did not do enough to try to stop the extermination of 6 million Jews during World War II.
"Pope Pius XII, worried about burning his bridges with Germany, never made a clear statement denouncing the singular monstrosity of the extermination of millions of Jews. Moreover, he did not do so after the war either, which is profoundly shocking," the organization, Conseil Representatif des Institutions juives de France, said in a statement.
"If carried out, the plan to beatify Pius XII, who was pope between 1939 and 1958, would deal a severe blow to relations between the Catholic Church and the Jewish world," the statement said.
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Golda Meir was part of the conspiracy?
Too bad..
"If carried out, the plan to beatify Pius XII, who was pope between 1939 and 1958, would deal a severe blow to relations between the Catholic Church and the Jewish world," the statement said.
France's main Jewish organization warned Friday that efforts to make wartime Pope Pius XII a saint would deal "a severe blow" to relations between Catholics and Jews.Ta-ta Jews. Don't let the door hit you in the ___.
ps: Keep your stinkin' nose out of our religion. Got it schmuck!
well good...fine, perhaps you can have nice relations with the Islamofascists then...
Since when does the Catholic church need another group’s approval before making someone a saint? I think its time to tell these people to shut up.
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
“Nazi concentration camp unveils monument to Catholic priests killed in Holocaust
Berlin, Nov 6, 2006 / 12:00 am (CNA).- A new stone sculpture was unveiled in Germany this weekend to commemorate the many Catholic priests and monks killed in a lesser-known World War II Nazi concentration camp near Berlin.
The sculpture, unveiled Saturday, is engraved with a cross and the names of 96 clergy who died at Sachsenhausen concentration camp on the north-west outskirts of Berlin, reported Deutsche Presse-Agentur.
Cardinal Jozef Glemp, primate of Poland, attended the ceremony as most of the priests were Polish.
To date, historians working for the Archdiocese of Berlin have documented the names of 711 Catholic clergy from Poland, Germany, and other European nations who were incarcerated in the Sachsenhausen camp....”
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=7987
“In January, 1940, against protests by Mussolini’s government, the Vatican appointed two Jews to the Vatican Academy of Science. (N.Y. Times, Jan. 10, 1940) In March, he appointed another Jewish professor to the Vatican Library to restore ancient maps, twelve hours before the new Italian laws went into effect prohibiting Jews from all professional life . (N.Y. Times, March 2, 1940 )
Near the Ides of March, the German Foreign Secretary, Joachim von Ribbentrop came to the Vatican for an official visit. The Times reported that the Pope defended the Jews in Germany and Poland, and that von Ribbentrop left the audience “downcast”. The Times called the visit, “Hitler’s Canossa.” (N.Y. Times, March 14, 1940)
In a letter to the editor of the Times, the Provost of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America reminded the readers that the foundational concept of democracy is the “supreme worth and dignity of the individual.” Louis Finkelstein continued, “The hostility to all forms of religion, characteristic of modern totalitarianism, is directed at this most fundamental religious concept, and leads us to the conclusion that the preservation of freedom is inextricably bound to the preservation of religion.” He then stated that it was the Christian churches that offered resistance to the Third Reich. “No keener rebuke has come to Nazism than from Pope Pius XI and his successor, Pope Pius XII.” (N.Y. Times, March 31, 1940, p. 8, 7)
Later in that month, Albert Einstein spoke out in favor of the Pope, as quoted above.
In his Christmas address to the College of Cardinals, Pius XII once again took aim at Hitler. The Times editorialized,
“If the Pope in his Christmas message had intended to condemn Hitler’s system, he could not have done it more effectively than by describing the ‘moral order’ which must govern human society. . . . The Pontiff pointed out that the foundation of the moral order is trust, ‘fidelity in the observance of pacts.’ Without trust–and this war has demonstrated the truth of his words–the coexistence of powerful and weak peoples is impossible. The moral order, he added, cannot be based on hatred, on the principle that ‘might makes right,’ on economic maladjustment, on ‘the spirit of cold egoism’ which leads to the violation of the sovereignty of states and the liberty of their citizens. The moral order, in a word, is in complete contradiction to Hitler’s order.” (N.Y. Times, Dec. 25, 1940, p. 26,2)”
http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/piusnyt/moralorder.htm
I see grizzled harpies have made an appearance, now we have to wait for fanboys. (Complements to the orginator whomever they may be.)
860,000 Jews saved - according to other Jews.
When a single Protestant anywhere can truthfully claim to have saved even one-tenth of that, let me know.
The kindest thing that can be said about Pope Pius XII is that he was a mediocrity. Terming him a saint would be an insult to the other real saints.
Not Islamofascists, but I do with Muslims.
In 38 years in the construction business I've dealt with people of every race and religion, including no religion like atheists. The fairest and most honorable I've found to deal with were Muslims.
No tricks, no lies, no reneging on a verbal, handshake agreement. No digging through Project Specifications to find some obscure clause to screw me or the company I worked for out of money on Change Orders. Or to require work be done that wasn't our normal responsibility. The Muslims word was their bond.
All that aside, my point was that everyone should keep their nose out of other peoples religion, or branch of a religion. I don't care what Jews do in their Temple, what snake handling Baptists do in Alabama, or Episcopalians do with gay Bishops.
So IMO what Catholics do regarding Pope Pius XII is nobody else's business. If the Jews don't like this, tough noogies.
Just a passing thought. We are approaching an election in which one of the candidates Obama is not only pro abortion, but is pro infanticide. Bambi also wants to redistribute the wealth just as the socialists in Germany wanted to.
I just read that the Roman Catholic Bishops in VA. told members of their church that to vote for someone who supports abortion you must have a reason that is as least as morally grave. I'm paraphrasing, so if I have it wrong please let me know.
Now might be a good time to see how any of our churches behave in this election. I think the parallels to the past are striking.
It would be a disgrace to make this man a Saint. Especially considering that if there’s a hell, he is almost certainly in it right now. Why not canonize Hugh O’Flaherty, a monsignor at the Vatican who came in direct conflict with Pius by sheltering Jews in Rome?
You know he’s almost certainly in hell - wow? Care to share your inside information with the rest of us?
You’re claiming the Catholic Church is responsible for six million deaths?
Care to cite some sources for this "direct conflict"?
Jews were being sheltered at the Pope's own vacation house at Castel Gandolfo. Are you trying to tell us that was done against the Pope's own wishes?
You need to learn history. Pius XII actually hid people in his own home. He hid Jews in the Vatican as well. He hid Jews in other church properties as well. He instructed Catholics to hide Jews in convents, monasteries, seminaries and private homes.
“Of 9,700 Roman Jews, 1,007 were shipped to Auschwitz. The rest were hidden, 5,000 of them by the official Church—3,000 in Castel Gandolfo, 200 or 400 (estimates vary) as “members” of the Palatine Guard and some 1,500 in monasteries, convents and colleges. The remaining 3,700 were hidden in private homes, including Msgr. O’Flaherty’s network of apartments.”
“Elsewhere in Italy,” Pinchas Lapide says, “thanks in part to the lifting of the enclosure...at least 40,000 Italian Jews and others who had managed to flee to Italy were hidden and saved by humble priests, monks, farmers and laborers, dozens of whom lost their lives for sheltering them.”
Pinchas Lapide was Jewish by the way.
And what did Msgr. O’Flaherty get for coming into “in direct conflict with Pius” as you claim? Pius XII named him to the “Notary of the Holy Office, the first Irishman to receive that honor.”
Get a clue.
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