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French Jewish Group Opposes Pius XII Sainthood
newsmax.com ^ | October 17, 2008 | Associated Press

Posted on 10/18/2008 10:06:35 AM PDT by Publius804

French Jewish Group Opposes Pius XII Sainthood

Friday, October 17, 2008 4:30 PM

PARIS -- France's main Jewish organization warned Friday that efforts to make wartime Pope Pius XII a saint would deal "a severe blow" to relations between Catholics and Jews.

The warning from an umbrella organization of French Jewish groups comes as the Vatican mounts a campaign to refute accusations Pius did not do enough to try to stop the extermination of 6 million Jews during World War II.

"Pope Pius XII, worried about burning his bridges with Germany, never made a clear statement denouncing the singular monstrosity of the extermination of millions of Jews. Moreover, he did not do so after the war either, which is profoundly shocking," the organization, Conseil Representatif des Institutions juives de France, said in a statement.

"If carried out, the plan to beatify Pius XII, who was pope between 1939 and 1958, would deal a severe blow to relations between the Catholic Church and the Jewish world," the statement said.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History; Judaism
KEYWORDS: 860000; popepiusxii; sainthood; wwii
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To: wmfights

“Now might be a good time to see how any of our churches behave in this election...”

There’s a little more than two weeks left. I should think your churches would have a taken stand by now.

Haven’t some Protestant churches already taken a stand? Correct this if it is wrong. Granted it’s from 2002, but I don’t think the sentiment has changed.

I know, I know. This isn’t OUR flavor of Protestant. Our Protestants don’t DO that.

Handy, that.

“US PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH VOTES TO ALLOW “UNRESTRICTED RIGHT” TO ABORTION TILL VIABILITY

WASHINGTON, June 24, 2002 (LSN.ca) - The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted Friday to affirm the “unrestricted right” to abortion prior to the child being able to survive on his/her own outside the womb. After viability, the assembly says, late term abortion is still acceptable but pastoral and medical counsel is advised and it is suggested only in cases of rape, incest, fetal suffering, and to preserve the health and life of the mother.

Judy L. Woods, moderator of the denomination’s advisory committee on litigation said “We affirmed the fundamental right to (abortion) prior to viability. But after viability, we have said that although there is still a right to choose, that choice has to be undertaken after prayer and pastoral consultation . . . and only in certain circumstances.” The denomination also voted to continue to fund late-term abortions under the church’s medical benefits plan. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2002/jun/02062401.html


41 posted on 10/19/2008 2:48:10 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Retiring to my swamp for the next decade on November 5, 2008)
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To: OLD REGGIE

I’d rather take the vote away from young whippersnappers! LOL.


42 posted on 10/19/2008 7:02:54 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: vladimir998

I’ve known people, usually women, who have lived to be a hundred or over and some were still pretty sharp.


43 posted on 10/19/2008 7:04:37 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Don’t worry, Old Reggie, if Obama becomes President, they will be at all of our doors.


44 posted on 10/19/2008 7:13:41 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: vladimir998
Ever hear of Giovanni Palatucci? How about Luiz Martins de Souza Dantas? Sister Sara Salkahazi (martyred for helping Jews)? Mother Maria Elisabetta Hesselblad? Fr. Placido Cortese (tortured, mutilated and buried alive for helping Jews)? The evidence is endless

Thanks for this list of names and links, Vladimir. I have a lot of reading to do :)

45 posted on 10/19/2008 8:49:59 PM PDT by annie laurie (Check my FR homepage for patriotic McCain/Palin gear!)
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To: Marysecretary

The woman in question isn’t one of them.


46 posted on 10/20/2008 4:14:57 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Marysecretary
Then there’s the recent story of the 102 year old nun who is going to vote for Obama. How nuts is that????

It is crazy. I saw that and couldn't help but think, "how can she think she is a Christian and support someone who believes in killing innocent babies"?

There is very little I agree with the RCC on, but from what I've seen a lot of Bishops have been telling their members that supporting politicians who are pro abortion is not consistent with what their church believes. I support them in this fight. I don't know how any Christian can support abortion, except maybe in cases of health, rape and incest.

I know this thread started out about WWII, but dehumanizing life and then destroying it through abortion is very similar.

47 posted on 10/20/2008 5:34:54 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Marysecretary
One of my ex-conservative senior friends intends to vote for Obama because he promised $50,000 tax free income to seniors.

It can be so disheartening when friends put their own interests in front of greater concerns. My cousin who claims to be an Evangelical Christian is going to vote for bambi. He attends a big mega church in San Fran. I raised the question of abortion and he said "it's our turn now". He really didn't want to answer the question.

I'm praying for McCain/Palin every day. If they don't win I will be very interested to see how Christian support breaks down.

48 posted on 10/20/2008 5:44:14 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Marysecretary; OLD REGGIE
Don’t worry, Old Reggie, if Obama becomes President, they will be at all of our doors.

It won't be that obvious. It's like the boiling pot. You bring the water to a boil slowly, so the frog in the water doesn't know whats happening until too late.

Bambi will buy off segments of the population with tax credits and welfare payments disguised as tax credits. Over time people will come to expect the payments and demand more. Also, he won't directly attack things like marriage, but will appoint judges who will do it for him. In the end a culture is destroyed and replaced with one where the people look to govt. to provide everything.

49 posted on 10/20/2008 5:55:18 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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In the years immediately following WW2 many Jewish groups and individuals—Golda Meir was one—publicly thanked the Pope for his assistance during the war. The revisionism came later, staring with a play by an anti-Catholic German leftist. The Church needs to ignore this. Jewish Catholic relations are virtually nonexistent in any case, and consist largely of relentless bigoted attacks on the Church by secular, non-believing Jews.
50 posted on 10/20/2008 6:00:19 AM PDT by Godwin1 (Battleground staes sghould be saturated with Wright stat)
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To: WilliamReading

No — you are a mediocrity. Pius XII was a moral, spiritual, and administrative giant. That’s why so many envious pygmies are desperate to bring him down.


51 posted on 10/20/2008 7:17:55 AM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: guitarplayer1953
This type of slander is what happens when you put the power of making someone a saint in the hands of man. Rather in the hands of God where it belongs.

God makes them saints. The Church just recognizes them for what they are.

52 posted on 10/20/2008 7:37:36 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: wmfights

Yep, I’m afraid you’re right.


53 posted on 10/20/2008 10:51:56 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: wmfights

My son is voting for Nobama as well. We really got into in on e-mail. Whew. He’s become a liberal and it makes me so sad.


54 posted on 10/20/2008 10:53:33 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: wmfights

Obama is a great deceiver, just as the anti-Christ will be. People look at his charisma, good looks, sweet talkin’ but don’t pay attention to his WORDS. Deception!!!!


55 posted on 10/20/2008 10:55:13 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: vladimir998

How do you know that for sure, vlad?


56 posted on 10/20/2008 10:55:56 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary

Take your pick:

She is either choosing evil while knowing it is evil or she is senile.

Defend whichever view you want, but it has to be one of those two obviously.


57 posted on 10/20/2008 12:09:39 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Titanites

Is there any recognition without the Church?


58 posted on 10/20/2008 7:52:11 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Is there any recognition without the Church?

How do you have recognition by the Church without the Church?

59 posted on 10/20/2008 7:54:20 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites

Well lets see Paul addressed his letters to the Saints at such and such and this was before the RCC. OT saints were and are Saints with out the RCC. What makes a person a saint?


60 posted on 10/20/2008 8:10:02 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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