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The 'how-to' plan to criminalize Christianity
world net Daily ^ | Oct 18.2008

Posted on 10/19/2008 3:02:48 PM PDT by sbark

The 'how-to' plan to criminalize Christianity 'Homosexuals know they must silence the church and that's what's behind this'

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: October 18, 2008 12:10 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A growing movement that experts believe could end up in the criminalization of Christianity in the United States is being exposed in a new documentary being prepared for airing on October 26, officials at Coral Ridge Ministries have announced.

"Hate Crime Laws" is a half-hour exposé that shows how Christians in America, Canada, Australia, and Sweden have been arrested and prosecuted for expressing opinions that are rooted in the Bible regarding homosexual conduct, Islam or other topics about which Scriptures express clear teachings.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Activism; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: christianity; culturewar; gay; hatecrime; homosesuality; homosexualagenda; islam; sodomitesvsislam
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1 posted on 10/19/2008 3:02:48 PM PDT by sbark
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To: sbark

Makes a lot of sense. Chilling.


2 posted on 10/19/2008 3:04:03 PM PDT by itsPatAmerican
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To: sbark

The best laid plans of mice and girly-men will come to naught.


3 posted on 10/19/2008 3:04:56 PM PDT by Mogollon ($5/gal Gas....Kick the Jacka$$es Out!)
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To: sbark

So we can expect Christianity to be outlawed under Obama. Well, the persecuted Church has a reputation of growing stronger under persecution.


4 posted on 10/19/2008 3:17:17 PM PDT by realcleanguy ("I have not yet begun to fight")
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To: sbark

It won’t be long until they turn Madison Square Garden into the Roman Colosseum.


5 posted on 10/19/2008 3:22:09 PM PDT by Treefiddy
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To: sbark; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

6 posted on 10/19/2008 3:22:42 PM PDT by narses (http://www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace)
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To: sbark

Homosexuality is a mental illness rooted into some sort of addiction.

Any such behaviors which would be hurtful to get into yet even more hurtful apparently to get out of is a serious ill and addiction that must be erradicated.

These plans by the homos are RIDICULOUS. Any normal society/era would see this and other attempts against Christianity as not addressing the issues. Much like Hitler failed to address issues except by persecuting jews, homofascists’ attacks on Christianity are just the same.

As it were said, “when they came for me, there was no one for me.”


7 posted on 10/19/2008 3:23:51 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: sbark

Another silly WND “article.”


8 posted on 10/19/2008 3:25:26 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: realcleanguy

Indeed, because when Christianity is attacked, it means all facets of society are going bankrupt. People then will have other many ills, real enough, to deal with, to see funding for homos as completely irrelevant luxury or aristocratic taking of luxuries in hard times. We know what happened to Marie Antoinette, same thing will happen to these fools if they don’t quiet it down.


9 posted on 10/19/2008 3:27:12 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: gracesdad

Perhaps conspiracist silly, but certainly understandable. The real silliness log in the eye is that laying squarely in the one of pompous lawyers and homoactivist aristocrates who believe in their own tripes of taking such nasty luxuries into others’ colons, if I dare say. It ain’t gona fly at the end of the day(s).


10 posted on 10/19/2008 3:30:09 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: JudgemAll

BO thinks he is the Messiah. Delusional is more like it


11 posted on 10/19/2008 3:34:40 PM PDT by realcleanguy ("I have not yet begun to fight")
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To: gracesdad
Ohhh??

Expand Hate Crimes Statutes

Obama and Biden will strengthen federal hate crimes legislation and reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice’s Criminal Section.

Page 65 - Obama/Biden's Blueprint for Change

12 posted on 10/19/2008 3:36:46 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: sbark

ping for later
Thanks


13 posted on 10/19/2008 3:47:12 PM PDT by Toki
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To: JudgemAll

BO will come after blogs like this citing it “foments hate” and will attack churches that stick to doctrine with regards to homosexuality. Calling a liberal “libtard” will be hate speech and any negative word about Islam, regardless of context, will bring out the government watchmen (see the Americore Section of his Blueprint).

Shows like Rush will be targeted and monitored for hate speech. Look for the implementation of the “Fairness Doctrine” in the first stages of dismantling what little conservatives have left of the media.

If BO wins it will be a constant attack on our 1st Amendment freedoms.


14 posted on 10/19/2008 3:51:52 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: realcleanguy

BO was a tool, and most certainly is a tool and will keep being a foolish tool. Some folkes really can be made to believe they are champions when they are the weakest minded pieces of nothing absurd disasters.

Perhaps someone out there is looking to “tame” and organize Christians via these tools and means. It’s uncanny, but Christianity is a wealth unto itself, and it’s like an open secret and deep jealousy.


15 posted on 10/19/2008 3:55:02 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: RockyMtnMan
BO will come after blogs like this citing it “foments hate” and will attack churches that stick to doctrine with regards to homosexuality. Calling a liberal “libtard” will be hate speech and any negative word about Islam, regardless of context, will bring out the government watchmen (see the Americore Section of his Blueprint).

The question I keep asking is when are homosexuals and moslems going to bump into each other in this little festival of political correctness? Will "anti-gay" crimes be ignored if perpetrated by moslems (or defended as "part of their quaint non-western culture"), or will islam have to modify its teachings as well?

The way the bizarre crazy-quilt alliance that makes up the Left manages to walk in lockstep and never attack each other (despite apparently being in conflict on any number of issues) is truly terrifying. Surely they're going to have to deal with each other eventually???

16 posted on 10/19/2008 4:00:45 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Bere'shit bara' 'Eloqim 'et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.)
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To: RockyMtnMan

Yep. Seems like our Public Schools have been used as such laboratories and replication agents for the kinds of future societies they have in mind (post French Revolution nastiness spreading over Europe seemed to be similar).


17 posted on 10/19/2008 4:03:24 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; PAR35
A growing movement that experts believe could end up in the criminalization of Christianity in the United States is being exposed in a new documentary being prepared for airing on October 26, officials at Coral Ridge Ministries have announced.

D. James Kennedy Presbyterian PING

18 posted on 10/19/2008 4:04:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

They see a common enemy and when they “think” we (we conservatives) have been eliminated they will turn on one another.

Unfortunately conservatives do not act until the persecutions are on our doorsteps. We don’t like rocking the boat, we have families to raise and jobs to go to.


19 posted on 10/19/2008 4:05:21 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Homosexual activists usualy ignore the perp “boyfriends” who really are the hurtful agent. Moslem know that and will do them in. It’s easy for domestic homos to tell us to behave as we are tied, but it’s not possible for them to declare nuke war on Islam or to counter Islam or a blackmailing foreign entity.

It’s harder to catch a thief and a racket system than to ask “dad” for money and blame him if he becomes “deadbeat”.


20 posted on 10/19/2008 4:08:34 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: JudgemAll

If you haven’t done so already I encourage you to read through Obamanation’s blueprint for change. While it will be hard to stomach it’s important to understand just what “The One” has in mind.

Look at the Service section (pg 61) in particular and you’ll have a good idea of how indoctrination can reach a new level.


21 posted on 10/19/2008 4:17:41 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: RockyMtnMan

Very interesting... I’m going to check on it.


22 posted on 10/19/2008 4:22:19 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: JudgemAll

BO wants to limit the abilities of the Christian Church. How else can the Anti-Christ rule and reign?


23 posted on 10/19/2008 4:24:33 PM PDT by realcleanguy ("I have not yet begun to fight")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The question I keep asking is when are homosexuals and moslems going to bump into each other in this little festival of political correctness?

That's a really good question.

Here's a closely related one: what happens when Christians are persecuted for doing X, Y, and Z ... but Moslems are doing X, Y, and Z also, but, of course, that's okay, because they're Moslems and it's "part of their culture"?

24 posted on 10/19/2008 4:41:57 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Will "anti-gay" crimes be ignored if perpetrated by moslems (or defended as "part of their quaint non-western culture"), or will islam have to modify its teachings as well?

Not a gay thing, but some town in Canada had a conflict between their anti-smoking ordinance and the cultural imperative of letting the muslims smoke their hookahs. I don't remember how it turned out, but I LMAO.

25 posted on 10/19/2008 4:58:39 PM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: JudgemAll

It all reads like a metaphore of the government corrupt nincompoops of taking luxuries into the honest tax payer turned slave. It sure explains the “homosexual agenda” - aka “sexual-orientation” to generaly encompass (by such hyphen language) things such as legalized pedophilia - as a metaphore of this.

Hate-crime is another such hyphen system targeting hate and not the criminal act of molestation that homosexuals want to be shielded from. All these are politicaly motivated prosecutions from a “lower class” perspective, and the 1st amendment is indeed what is under direct attack, turning courts into prosecutorial grounds of political dissidence. Anything targeting corruption or subsconscious knowledge or revelation or repent regarding Obama’s lack of abilities is targeted. It is obvious he somehow knows he is incompetent to the core but fears having this exposed, much like when a dog “rules” aggressively a household.

Liberals need a strong master of some sort. They seem to prefer to go bankrupt and be forced along with others in “equality” under a dictatorship rather than repent. Hence the heavy handedness of Islam is ironically secretly welcome by them in many corners... as well as the corrupt liberalness of their leaders which would allow them to partake or “feel” like it, perhaps.


26 posted on 10/19/2008 5:12:02 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: gracesdad

And why would you call claims of this article of outlawing Christianity by homosexuals “ Silly “ ???? ... that is nothing to laugh about innocent Christians standing up for their faith and being persecuted..... that was a shameful statement you said.. what is so funny about Christians being persecuted ?


27 posted on 10/19/2008 5:12:34 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: RockyMtnMan

It all reads like a metaphore of the government corrupt nincompoops of taking luxuries into the honest tax payer turned slave. It sure explains the “homosexual agenda” - aka “sexual-orientation” to generaly encompass (by such hyphen language) things such as legalized pedophilia - as a metaphore of this.
Hate-crime is another such hyphen system targeting hate and not the criminal act of molestation that homosexuals want to be shielded from. All these are politicaly motivated prosecutions from a “lower class” perspective, and the 1st amendment is indeed what is under direct attack, turning courts into prosecutorial grounds of political dissidence. Anything targeting corruption or subsconscious knowledge or revelation or repent regarding Obama’s lack of abilities is targeted. It is obvious he somehow knows he is incompetent to the core but fears having this exposed, much like when a dog “rules” aggressively a household.
Liberals need a strong master of some sort. They seem to prefer to go bankrupt and be forced along with others in “equality” under a dictatorship rather than repent. Hence the heavy handedness of Islam is ironically secretly welcome by them in many corners... as well as the corrupt liberalness of their leaders which would allow them to partake or “feel” like it, perhaps.


28 posted on 10/19/2008 5:13:05 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: realcleanguy

The Church has been underground before, is currently underground in China, and will be underground again before this is all over. We win in the end.


29 posted on 10/19/2008 7:25:51 PM PDT by bradthebuilder (War is peace; Ignorance is strength; Freedom is slavery)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The question I keep asking is when are homosexuals and moslems going to bump into each other in this little festival of political correctness? Will "anti-gay" crimes be ignored if perpetrated by moslems (or defended as "part of their quaint non-western culture"), or will islam have to modify its teachings as well?

Hate crimes will still be hate crimes, they just don't matter to people who commit violent crimes. They only matter to people who have something to lose.

In the case of a future generation of violent Muslims in our country who may commit hate crimes due to Islam's "intolerance" for gays, the crimes won't be as easy to solve if the perp gets away (no one will cooperate with the police and the police may not be too inclined to try real hard to investigate do to the backlash from the "community" that he belongs to, etc.).

Also, once the victim is dead, it won't matter to the victim. The other gays, will get the message to keep a low profile, go back in the closet, move away, etc.

As to how these crimes will be handled, The story below is of a gay man who was shot outside a gay bar in Detroit a couple of years ago. The kid that shot him was black and was not charged with a hate crime (prosecutor wanted to get a conviction and didn't want to cloud the issue by introducing the gay hate element as I recall), although he was convicted of attempted murder (as I recall).

Shooting victim, 31, target of hate crime
Man taunted outside gay club
Roberta Pennington, with files by Monica Wolfson, Windsor Star
Tuesday, January 31, 2006

A Windsor man recently shot in the head outside a gay bar in Detroit was the victim of a hate crime, Detroit police said Monday.

Detroit police spokesman Det. James Fisher said a 17-year-old youth has been arrested in connection with the Jan. 10 shooting of 31-year-old Salvagio Vonatti outside Gigis Bar, a popular gay club in west Detroit.

"It's a hate crime in my opinion," Fisher said.

"I'm only classifying it as a hate crime because if you approach someone and you make reference to their sexual preference (before shooting them), that's a hate crime."...

30 posted on 10/19/2008 8:01:08 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: itsPatAmerican

vote against evil.


31 posted on 10/19/2008 8:06:36 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: little jeremiah

Good read! especially the replies, New screen names...


32 posted on 10/19/2008 8:11:30 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: gracesdad

What (specifically) is so “silly” about it?


33 posted on 10/19/2008 8:16:04 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: bradthebuilder

Well, Jesus wins, and we become partakers in that victory by faith


34 posted on 10/19/2008 9:35:56 PM PDT by realcleanguy ("I have not yet begun to fight")
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Thanks for the ping - just walked in the door, I’ll see if I can ping it out tonight. Or maybe tomorrow...eyes starting to droop...

I agree with many of the comments - and Obamination certainly wants to eradicate our freedoms as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, starting with the First Amendment.

I don’t believe he will win. Only by massive voter fraud, which they know, and that’s why they’re doing it.


35 posted on 10/19/2008 10:22:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Think rock, paper, scissors. In the end, Islam will prevail because they are stronger, tougher, and more disciplined than the effiminate ones.


36 posted on 10/20/2008 7:45:45 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Augustinian monk
Think rock, paper, scissors. In the end, Islam will prevail because they are stronger, tougher, and more disciplined than the effiminate ones.

That may be, but they certainly seem tight as thieves right now. Personally, I'd like to see a little tension in the Alliance.

37 posted on 10/20/2008 7:52:31 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Bere'shit bara' 'Eloqim 'et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The question I keep asking is when are homosexuals and moslems going to bump into each other in this little festival of political correctness? Will "anti-gay" crimes be ignored if perpetrated by moslems (or defended as "part of their quaint non-western culture"), or will islam have to modify its teachings as well?

Here's my opinion. Islamists will continue to reluctantly ally with the liberal cultural forces in this country in order to encourage Islamic immigration--even as they condemn homosexuality and abortion as part of decadent Western ideas.

Then, when the Islamic population begins to approach a critical mass and a sizable bloc, they will begin to intimidate and make demands of the leftist hand that fed them. Once the left is no longer useful for their purposes, they will drop all pretenses and persecute the infidels as they had planned all along.

38 posted on 10/20/2008 8:20:07 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The way the bizarre crazy-quilt alliance that makes up the Left manages to walk in lockstep and never attack each other (despite apparently being in conflict on any number of issues) is truly terrifying. Surely they're going to have to deal with each other eventually???

You'll see your question answered when (if) they ever achieve power, which they haven't. Yet. In this country, anyway. Elsewhere, they've treated the world to a wonderful spectacle called the "Purge".

39 posted on 10/20/2008 8:24:34 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
You'll see your question answered when (if) they ever achieve power, which they haven't. Yet. In this country, anyway. Elsewhere, they've treated the world to a wonderful spectacle called the "Purge".

But which side will get purged? The moslems or the "gays?" The Black Baptists or the "chr*stophobes?" The Inner City Ghetto or the Virgin Wilderness? The abortion mills or the welfare moms? The "man is the measure of all things" secular humanists or the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement? The scientific rationalists or the "indigenous pipples?" The "internationalists" or the proponents of national liberation movements and a "planet of peoples?"

Goodness knows what keeps these disparate elements united in a single alliance.

40 posted on 10/20/2008 9:31:51 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Bere'shit bara' 'Eloqim 'et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.)
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To: RockyMtnMan

Which dictators end condemned by historians? Al of them. The same will happen to the chosen one. I may not live to see it. But it will happen.


41 posted on 10/20/2008 9:37:32 AM PDT by Terry Mross (O)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
But which side will get purged?

A true Revolution is extremely chaotic ... law of the jungle. It may be precipitated by a disparate collection of groups, but will be controlled (to the extent that it can be controlled) by the most ruthless and brutal elements. Even within those elements, there is considerable literal backstabbing and figurative cannibalism.

In the current case, I'd expect the moslems and the eco-terrorists to come out on top.

The queers will be pitching in there for a while, but they'll get it in the end.

42 posted on 10/20/2008 9:42:35 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

The guy has blinders on, because in America this can’t happen.


43 posted on 10/20/2008 9:52:01 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: stevio

You ever hear about the concept of judicial activism? The same thing was said when they removed prayer from our public schools (this can’t happen in America) Well it did! Read about David Parker.


44 posted on 10/20/2008 10:07:59 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
In the current case, I'd expect the moslems and the eco-terrorists to come out on top.

The queers will be pitching in there for a while, but they'll get it in the end.

In other words, they all win, right? ;-)

45 posted on 10/20/2008 10:09:10 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Bere'shit bara' 'Eloqim 'et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.)
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To: gracesdad
Another silly WND “article.”

Agreed. There is no such thing as a "hate speech" law in this country, and there never will be so long as we have a First Amendment. Any such law would be blatantly unconstitutional and would be struck down at the District Court level.

46 posted on 10/20/2008 10:12:08 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Did I really need the “/s” after my post?


47 posted on 10/20/2008 10:26:55 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: stevio

LOL.. I thought you were answering for the poster I had replied to.


48 posted on 10/20/2008 10:43:23 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

“What (specifically) is so “silly” about it?”

Bibles and the printing of them will NOT be banned. Christianity will NOT be wiped out. And I’m still vainly looking in the story for WND’s attempt to solicit opinion other than the one it wants to put out there.


49 posted on 10/20/2008 11:43:46 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: gracesdad
*Christianity will NOT be wiped out*

You're right. however it will be criminalized. The homonazis and their liberal enablers will accept nothing less than “ moral equality” of their depravity.
It will be illegal to refuse to do business with them. IOW eschew your faith or close up shop...

50 posted on 10/20/2008 12:49:18 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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