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Mary Worship Still Alive in Catholicism
Alpha and Omega Ministries ^ | 10/21/2008 | Tur8infan

Posted on 10/21/2008 6:22:38 AM PDT by Ottofire


Mary Worship Still Alive in Catholicism

10/21/2008 - Tur8infan Benedict XVI is reported (link to report) as recently praying to Mary: "We implore you to have pity today on the nations that have gone astray, on all Europe, on the whole world, that they might repent and return to your heart," the text of the prayer reads.

This is a prayer that is openly idolatrous. Mankind needs to turn, not to the heart of Mary, but to the Son of Mary, Jesus Christ the Righteous. The true and proper object of worship is God alone.

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Benedict XVI is also reported as praying to her, "If you will not help us because we are ungrateful and unworthy children of your protection, we will not know to whom to turn."

This prayer demonstrates the underlying blindness of Catholicism. There is a place to which not only all of Europe in general, but Mr. Ratzinger in particular ought to turn for help, and whose protection should be sought: the throne of the Most High God, by the intercession of the Son of God, Jesus Christ with the aid of the Holy Spirit.

But though Jesus is the Son of Mary, and though Mary is greatly blessed to be the Mother of our Saviour, yet Jesus himself said:

Matthew 12:48-50
48But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

And again:

Mary 3:33-35
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

It is almost as though Jesus was concerned lest some might foolishly fall into the trap of worshiping his blood relatives! Indeed, here is Jesus' own condemnation of the error of adoration and veneration of Jesus' mother. They do not hold a special place in the kingdom of God, but are like all those who do the will of God. Yet Catholicism, as can be seen from this event, continues to elevate Mary improperly to the status of, in effect, a goddess to whom prayers are offered.

Benedict XVI did not even omit to provide a sacrifice to this de facto goddess. It is reported that, "In a gesture of filial love, the Pope then offered the Madonna a golden rose." One is reminded immediately of the similar offerings presented by the Philistines to the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament, particularly given Catholicism's claim (or at least the claim of her apologists) that Mary is the "ark of the New Covenant."

Finally, we should note that Benedict XVI is reported not to have left Jesus entirely out: "...The secret of Pompeii is the rosary: "This prayer leads us through Mary to Jesus." But, in fact, the Rosary leads men away from Jesus, as can be seen in the idolatry illustrated in the prayers above. Benedict XVI is reported to have claimed, "The rosary is a spiritual weapon in the struggle against evil, against all violence, for peace in hearts, in families, in society and in the world."

But, in fact, sadly it is an extra-Scriptural innovation: unknown to the apostles and unpracticed for centuries and centuries following Christ's ascension. The Early Church Fathers didn't say the Rosary, and neither should you: it is a tradition of men, not of God.

-TurretinFan



TOPICS: Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: 4thcommandment; agendadrivenfreeper; bravosierra; callaspadeaspade; catholicbashing; idolatry; ignoranceisbliss; mary; moacb; ottolovsejesus
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Nope, no idolatry here.
1 posted on 10/21/2008 6:22:38 AM PDT by Ottofire
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To: Ottofire
This prayer demonstrates the underlying blindness of Catholicism.

Aw, bless yore heart!

2 posted on 10/21/2008 6:27:30 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Ottofire
Your energies are best directed against the secularism, which is currently the strongest weapon that the enemy uses against Christ.
3 posted on 10/21/2008 6:27:49 AM PDT by jtal
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To: jtal

Some were brought up to hate Catholics and cannot change.


4 posted on 10/21/2008 6:30:33 AM PDT by Radl (rtr)
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To: Ottofire

Nope, no bigotry here.


5 posted on 10/21/2008 6:31:04 AM PDT by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Don't you dare question my patriotism")
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To: Ottofire

Anti-Catholic alert!


6 posted on 10/21/2008 6:33:26 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: jtal

“Your energies are best directed against the secularism, which is currently the strongest weapon that the enemy uses against Christ.”

Amen to that!!


7 posted on 10/21/2008 6:34:29 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Ottofire



8 posted on 10/21/2008 6:38:04 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Ottofire
This kind of drivel is one of the reasons that I left protestantism 7 years ago and became a Roman Catholic.

If anyone with a brain takes the time to really learn Roman Catholic theology, he would quickly see the nonsense of the protestant attacks on Catholicism.

There is no theology in the Christian world as intellectually sound as Roman Catholic theology.

9 posted on 10/21/2008 6:42:53 AM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Ottofire

We Catholics do not WORSHIP Mary. We WORSHIP only God. We recognize Mary as the mother of Jesus. And we pray to her to intercede with her Son. GET IT STRAIGHT!


10 posted on 10/21/2008 6:43:20 AM PDT by kitkat (EX DEO LIBERTAS (From God, liberty))
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To: SumProVita

I think if you go back to original concepts of secularism, it was intended to separate Church and State. The original concepts were that Government should not be run by religion. Some countries such as Iran have Government sponsored religion, and the idea was to keep that from happening. The original concepts was to allow people to believe as they choose, and Government to remain neutral. The definitions have changed recently to promote various political stances. I think we should be careful how the term is used, because its original intent was not all bad.

To the Original Poster, Perhaps your energies would be better spent leaving the American beliefs alone and concentrating your vitriol on the Muslims.


11 posted on 10/21/2008 6:43:22 AM PDT by Concho
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To: Ottofire

Islam used Iconoclasts to undermine Christianity in the past in Byzantium. I guess we have some idiot home grown ones right here.


12 posted on 10/21/2008 6:44:19 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Ottofire

Rubbish. She is asked to take pity and intercede for us. Which is the idolatrous part: taking pity on us or praying for us?


13 posted on 10/21/2008 6:45:32 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: Ottofire
Nope, no idolatry here.

Glad to see you're catching on.

14 posted on 10/21/2008 6:46:47 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Ottofire

Hate hate hate!

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Know this, my dear brothers: everyone should be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath,
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for the wrath of a man does not accomplish the righteousness of God.
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Therefore, put away all filth and evil excess and humbly welcome the word that has been planted in you and is able to save your souls.
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Be doers of the word and not hearers only, deluding yourselves.
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For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his own face in a mirror.
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He sees himself, then goes off and promptly forgets what he looked like.
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But the one who peers into the perfect law 12 of freedom and perseveres, and is not a hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, such a one shall be blessed in what he does.
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If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, his religion is vain.


15 posted on 10/21/2008 6:48:14 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: All

devotional thread ... no arguments please LOL /sarc


16 posted on 10/21/2008 6:50:51 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald (Counter Revolutionary for McCain/Palin)
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To: Ottofire
Indeed, here is Jesus' own condemnation of the error of adoration and veneration of Jesus' mother.

Indeed, here is an anti-Catholic bigot misrepresenting the words of Christ in order to put in His mouth dishonor for His own mother.

Sickening the depths to which anti-Catholic hatred can drive a soul.

17 posted on 10/21/2008 6:51:22 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Concho

Thanks for your input, but I was referring to our general cultural secularism. I totally agree that the state should have no *preference* regarding religion.


18 posted on 10/21/2008 6:52:08 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Ottofire

I pray that the Blessed Mother touches your heart and illuminates your mind. Her Son teaches us to pray for those who hate us, her intercession helps us to carry out His command.


19 posted on 10/21/2008 6:52:13 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

ROFL!


20 posted on 10/21/2008 6:52:13 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Ottofire

Just said a little prayer for the author of this.

Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help, or sought thine intercession was left unaided.

Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins, my mother; to thee do I come, before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me.

Amen.


21 posted on 10/21/2008 6:52:29 AM PDT by John W (Maverick I can do, but, Messiah is above my paygrade)
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To: John W

Je vous salue, Marie,
pleine de grâce:
le Seigneur est avec vous;
vous êtes bénie entre toutes les femmes,
et Jésus, le fruit de vos entrailles,
est béni.

Sainte Marie, Mère de Dieu,
priez pour nous, pauvres pécheurs,
maintenant et à l’heure de notre mort.
Amen.


22 posted on 10/21/2008 6:56:40 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Ottofire

We are in much more trouble with our Hussein Obama the Great Wonderful and Merciful Messiah worship than anything in Catholicism.

Lord a’Mighty, let’s get our priorities straight.


23 posted on 10/21/2008 6:57:56 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Petronski

For me a larger question is why do they do it. It can’t in any way profit them. Perhaps they demonize the Blessed Mother to assuage whatever hidden doubts they have over the particular heresy to which they prescribe.


24 posted on 10/21/2008 6:58:45 AM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius

I can only suggest this:

Deprive yourself of the Blessed Sacraments, pridefully—sneer at them even—and then see what happens to your soul.


25 posted on 10/21/2008 7:00:37 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: jtal
Your energies are best directed against the secularism, which is currently the strongest weapon that the enemy uses against Christ.

Not accurate at all...Check the scriptures...Satan and his minions are VERY religious...

26 posted on 10/21/2008 7:09:18 AM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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To: Ottofire

Isn’t it amazing how much some of these possible brothers & sisters need the idolotrous trappings of Rome?


27 posted on 10/21/2008 7:10:43 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Petronski

Is that really going to be your “only” suggestion?


28 posted on 10/21/2008 7:12:05 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Answering the call of the anti-Catholic siren song?


29 posted on 10/21/2008 7:14:43 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Ottofire

Here is a story to illustrate our honoring of Mary and the power of her intercession for us.

In the days of Kings and Queens, there lived a farmer who owned an orchard. He was so greatful for the bountiful harvest that his orchard produced, that he wanted to share it with the King. Before the farmer headed to the castle he went into his orchard and picked some apples off of the trees. He paid little attention to the dirt and dust on them and just headed on. When he reached the castle, he told the guards that he had a gift for the King. The guards let him pass and he walked along the long pathway up to the Kings chair. When the farmer offered the apples to the King, the King looked at the dirty and dusty apples and refused the gift. As the farmer turned to walk away, he had not noticed the Queen in an upper window who saw all that had just happened. Well, the Queen ran down to the farmer and said let me see your apples. She took them back in the room from where she came and then washed and polished the apples until they were a glorious shining red, then put them on a gold plate. She handed the plate to the farmer and said let us return to the King. When they reached the King, he saw how beautiful the apples were and accepted the gift.

This is what Mary does. When we ask Mary to pray for us or
ask for her intercession, She too, takes our prayers and requests, shines and polishes them, then presents them to the King.


30 posted on 10/21/2008 7:17:02 AM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid (McCain/Palin 08 - Evil triumps when good people do nothing!! - www.protestthemedia.com Oct 21st)
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To: Ottofire

I was quite stunned, shocked to read this blasphemy:

Benedict XVI is also reported as praying to her, “If you will not help us because we are ungrateful and unworthy children of your protection, we will not know to whom to turn.”


31 posted on 10/21/2008 7:17:45 AM PDT by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Ottofire
Benedict XVI did not even omit to provide a sacrifice to this de facto goddess. It is reported that, "In a gesture of filial love, the Pope then offered the Madonna a golden rose."

Did you ever sacrifice to your wife? I suppose you must have, if you ever gave her a rose!

32 posted on 10/21/2008 7:18:16 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Petronski

I came by to see you.


33 posted on 10/21/2008 7:18:58 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

How creepy.


34 posted on 10/21/2008 7:19:35 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Iscool

Your right. Look at Bob Jones.


35 posted on 10/21/2008 7:22:19 AM PDT by Radl (rtr)
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To: Radl
Look at Bob Jones.

Or check out the shiny suit crowd on cable tv.

36 posted on 10/21/2008 7:27:14 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Dionysius
It can’t in any way profit them.

Sure it does ... it makes them feel better about themselves. They cannot define themselves, except by trashing other folks.

Meantime, protestantism can't seem to figure out the euthanasia is very, very wrong.

Any "faith tradition" that has to "struggle" over the "question" of euthanasia is unGodly in the extreme.

38 posted on 10/21/2008 7:28:00 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ottofire
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee

Blessed art thou among women, and

Blessed is the fruit of thy womb...

Catholicism has right there the key reason no Christian can support candidates who are pro-abortion... If the Democrat Party Platform had its way, a young teen mother pregnant without explanation would have been rushed to Planned Parenthood for a quick abortion, no questions asked. Ergo, no Jesus.

And don't anyone start with that "it's pro-choice not pro-abortion" crap, because I've never seen a "pro-choice" person support the "choice" we make to be "pro-life".

39 posted on 10/21/2008 7:28:56 AM PDT by sturmde
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To: Petronski

But, why do you keep writing to me then?


40 posted on 10/21/2008 7:29:02 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

I’m defending the Church founded by Christ.


41 posted on 10/21/2008 7:31:32 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Dionysius
For me a larger question is why do they do it. It can’t in any way profit them. Perhaps they demonize the Blessed Mother to assuage whatever hidden doubts they have over the particular heresy to which they prescribe.

I don't see any "demonizing" of Mary here. No Protestant that I know of has anything but respect for this woman; a truly blessed woman. We believe that Mary herself would object to the prayers/veneration/whatever to her. Catholics obviously disagree. Fine. As for "why we do it", pointing out theological error is a good thing, don't you agree, given the eternal implications? Ascribing motives such as hate and bigotry are not warranted.

Let me ask you, does one violate the commandment "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain" by the improper use of Mary's name?
42 posted on 10/21/2008 7:32:49 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: Ottofire

Protestants who are so worried about this “worship” of Mary need to leave us alone. We’re Christians—it’s amazing how many don’t know that—we believe that Jesus is the son of God. (In fact, we believed it first) Go bother somebody who doesn’t, and leave us be.


43 posted on 10/21/2008 7:38:25 AM PDT by RaiderRose (Don't be a racist. Vote for 0bama.)
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To: Petronski

I wish that were the case.


44 posted on 10/21/2008 7:39:07 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
This is what Mary does.

No she doesn't...

When we ask Mary to pray for us or ask for her intercession, She too, takes our prayers and requests, shines and polishes them, then presents them to the King.

God doesn't need shined apples, or prayers...The King in your fairy tale is not God and your Queen is not Mary...

Jesus says there's one mediator between God, and you...That mediator is Jesus Christ...It's not Mary...Jesus doesn't need a mediator...

Apparently you guys don't understand who God is...God is the first in the line of Royalty...God did not and does not have a mother...Jesus was God before he was born to Mary...

Mary was not coronated a queen...God NEVER acknowledged Mary as his mother...

Be sure your prayers are heard...Take them directly to Jesus...

46 posted on 10/21/2008 7:47:44 AM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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To: Dionysius
For me a larger question is why do they do it. It can’t in any way profit them.

Most of them do it with the best of intentions. They think we are members of the Whore of Babylon and they genuinely want to save us. I try not to get angry when Protestants and Evangelicals do this sort of thing; we have too many enemies as it is, and gain nothing by fighting among ourselves. Just ignore stuff like this.

47 posted on 10/21/2008 7:48:00 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Ottofire

“Alive”?

Try “definitional.”

It’s one of many points that marks Roman Catholicism off from Biblical Christianity.


49 posted on 10/21/2008 7:52:56 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Ottofire

You wrote:

“Nope, no idolatry here.”

You’re right. There isn’t any idolatry there. I like James White’s sister much more than James White.


50 posted on 10/21/2008 7:53:54 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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