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God Removes His Hand from the United States
Liveprayer.com ^ | 11/05/08 | Bill Keller

Posted on 11/05/2008 2:38:05 AM PST by DarthVader

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To: DarthVader

Johnny Hunt, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, said last Sunday, “I’ve read the complete book and in the end, WE WIN!”

Obama and his ilk will pay some day. God is angry.


151 posted on 11/05/2008 9:42:57 AM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: af_vet_rr
I have friends who defected from the Soviet Union. God never deserted them simply because they were in the Soviet Union, because they never deserted Him.

True. Also to the point of this election, I have a black friend in her 70s who told me she has never had any overt problem of racial discrimination except once, in the 70s, involving a white man in her home town, a Vietnam vet, who opened his bowling alley to blacks — when she and her friends went there, white vigilantes turned them away, and eventually drove the bowling alley man out of business. Other than that, she claims Christ's blessings every day of her life, in spite of her relative material poverty due to having been widowed. She is one of my closest friends, and we have prayed together throughout this election season. For all I know, she voted for Obama, and if she did, I understand and cannot hold it against her. It's the deluded privileged classes who have mystified me; again, God is in control.

152 posted on 11/05/2008 9:45:20 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Stand up and fight. We're Americans, and we never give up."--John McCain)
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To: TigersEye

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . .

but what sort of use . . .

Scripture indicates that some poor folks are made for the evil roles they play.

Yet He says he would prefer that all come to repentance . . .

There’s paradoxes . . . that our linear thinking doesn’t fit well around.

However, it seems abundantly clear . . . assuming we have a close relationship with God when we’ve really done nothing or relatively nothing to establish and maintain such a close relationship with God from our side . . .

is a galactically, eternally hazardous thing.


153 posted on 11/05/2008 9:46:36 AM PST by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Terry Mross

“God is angry.”

I sense like never before with this country.


154 posted on 11/05/2008 9:48:12 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: autumnraine

We saved the world from Hitler. Who will save us?

This had to happen for His prophesy to come true. I was so blessed to have almost died and saw what Jesus can do. Now I fear no man. I will fight until God wants me to leave this earth.


155 posted on 11/05/2008 9:52:40 AM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: epow

Please reconsider speaking your fears into concrete form. It gives them power. Speak of God’s eventual justice for all wrong-doing.


156 posted on 11/05/2008 9:53:01 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Stand up and fight. We're Americans, and we never give up."--John McCain)
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To: NavyCanDo

Those will be the words on Obama’s political epitaph. I have been aggressively needling those in work who voted for this turkey and giving them reality checks with economics and history. They get PO’d but I don’t care. I have been telling them how quick things will switch back once their Messiah crashs & burns. He will fail catastrophically.


157 posted on 11/05/2008 9:53:01 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Quix
but what sort of use . . .

A person who believed in an all knowing and omnipotent God wouldn't worry about or question that IMO. But I could be wrong.

158 posted on 11/05/2008 10:06:28 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: woollyone; showme_the_Glory
“Barabbas means son of shame”
hmmm...I thought it meant “son of the father”

Among his many other uniformed postures, Obama claimed that "Barak" meant "blessed"; however, it is a separate Hebrew name from "Baruch", which does mean "blessed." "Barak" refers to a man who aided the prophetess Deborah in slaying the armies of Sisera after the people of Israel had strayed. (Judges 4 and 5).


Meaning of Bible Name: Barabbas
Son of shame, confusion


Meaning of Bible Name: Barak
Thunder, or in vain

Barak:
Flash of Lightning. in the Bible the Valiant Fighting Man Barak Cooperated With the Prophetess Deborah to Win Victory in Battle Against Overwhelming Odds 


Meaning of Bible Name: Baruch
Who is blessed

Baruch 
Blessed (Hebrew; male) 
Doer of God (Greek; male) 

159 posted on 11/05/2008 10:23:58 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Stand up and fight. We're Americans, and we never give up."--John McCain)
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To: joesbucks
So despite the wisdom from Christ, there isn’t much good cheer among Christians.

Your point being...?

It's understandable that there is momentary disappointment. But true Christians will not let this election result turn into an obsession with negativity. They will have faith in God's plan to work through this situation. Notice that by the time Reagan died, he who had been terribly slimed and vilified by the left was recognized as one of our great presidents. And also notice that the left's darlings, the Clintons, have lived to see themselves eclipsed in public opinion. Sometimes it takes people some hard experiences before they wake up.

160 posted on 11/05/2008 10:30:24 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Stand up and fight. We're Americans, and we never give up."--John McCain)
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To: Quix

Please do not speak your fears into concrete expression. Instead, speak faith that God is in control, and will take care of His true believers, even those who are martyrs, as He always has.


161 posted on 11/05/2008 10:36:06 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Stand up and fight. We're Americans, and we never give up."--John McCain)
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To: Albion Wilde

Seems like you have some assumptions that I’ve been speaking

my fears

into concrete reality.

I don’t see that as my reality.

Certainly God is God and always will be God . . . strong in behalf of those who Love Him.

I’ve said that repeatedly.


162 posted on 11/05/2008 10:38:06 AM PST by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: DarthVader

Maybe God didn’t want us to invade Iraq. Or at least not occupy it. Just a thought.


163 posted on 11/05/2008 10:39:06 AM PST by WilliamReading
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To: Albion Wilde

could only find that one site that you posted, defining it as you have.

All other references are clear that it means “son of the father”.

BAR = “son of”
ABBAS = “father”


164 posted on 11/05/2008 10:39:21 AM PST by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: TigersEye
If I were made by a God would that itself not be proof enough that He had use for me?

Vegetables are made by God, but some end up as compost. You must be born again; that is, when you reach an age of maturity and are old enough to read and comprehend the gospel, you must make a personal commitment. If you don't, you are primarily just taking up space and wasting resources until you die.

165 posted on 11/05/2008 10:41:39 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Stand up and fight. We're Americans, and we never give up."--John McCain)
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To: DarthVader
I think it's very, very presumptious to assume what God has done, and just another reason why republicans are leaving the party.

God calls us to pray for our leaders. Beyond that, you do not know what God has done, or intends to do in the next few years.

166 posted on 11/05/2008 10:43:56 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Albion Wilde

Compost is very useful. But thanks for your personal opinion.


167 posted on 11/05/2008 10:44:05 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: DarthVader

“This is the plain truth and the election of this heretic is going to bring terrible consequences to this country. The sad part is that a large part of the American people are now deserving of it.”

This might just be a 3 1/2 year “reign” - cut short to spare us...2012 just might be the beginning of God’s undisputed reign on the earth.


168 posted on 11/05/2008 10:49:58 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Quix

Your post 137 spoke in absolutely negative prophetic terms, and it was to these that I counseled faith and patience, and instead speaking encouragement to others.


169 posted on 11/05/2008 10:50:10 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Stand up and fight. We're Americans, and we never give up."--John McCain)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

It depends upon what kind of ministry and gifts you have.


170 posted on 11/05/2008 10:51:09 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I don’t believe Fauxbama is the Anti-Christ but a forunner of things to come.


171 posted on 11/05/2008 10:52:46 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

I do not know if anyone has posted this and I haven’t got time to go through about 170 comments to find out. That being said, I disagree with the Topic’s title. Perhaps it is correct to say God has removed His hand, but I think what has really happened is stated in 1 Samuel 8:7b:

“for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.”

It is we who have abandoned God, not the reverse. May God have mercy on us.


172 posted on 11/05/2008 10:56:35 AM PST by Robwin
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To: DarthVader

Considering how many false proclamations have been made, I tend not to take “gifts” too seriously when it comes to politics. Not seriously at all, in fact.


173 posted on 11/05/2008 11:01:00 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: DarthVader

God removed his hand sometime ago, we just didn’t know it.

McCain was the best we could come up with because God didn’t raise a real champion, that was the sign.


174 posted on 11/05/2008 11:03:06 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Cinnamontea; dsc
Read your Bible. This is foretold. In order for evil to be defeated, this scenario must play out.
175 posted on 11/05/2008 11:13:46 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: milagro
Hello my friend...

..The Hiding Place is a precious book of mine....I remember the scene well (I also have the video)

Indeed, rejoice in our circumstances....as did Corrie....as did Paul while in prison...

Good words...Thanks for reminding me :)

Bless you....I'm praying for revival!

176 posted on 11/05/2008 11:26:59 AM PST by Guenevere (Do not be afraid of tomorrow.....God is already there.)
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To: Robwin

I agree with you about the title and that is a better representation, but I didn’t write it, Bill Keller did.


177 posted on 11/05/2008 11:35:20 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

If you have issues with this article why don’t you go to Bill Keller’s website Liveprayer.com and email him. He is easily acessible.


178 posted on 11/05/2008 11:37:51 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

Why should I do that. We’re discussing it here. I don’t email every religious person I disagree with. Do you?


179 posted on 11/05/2008 11:41:55 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: DarthVader
As of today, I started posting a daily Rosary on the Daily Readings thread -- also this prayer. Say it every day!



~ PRAYER ~

St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle
 Be our protection against the wickedness
and snares of the devil;
May God rebuke him, we  humbly pray,
 and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host,
 by the power of God,
 Thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits
who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls.
 Amen
+

180 posted on 11/05/2008 11:48:01 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: DarthVader

Read 2 Thessalonians 2.


181 posted on 11/05/2008 11:48:50 AM PST by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: Salvation

Amen


182 posted on 11/05/2008 12:09:10 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

Because I was up until 4 AM this morning, tired, my head hurts and not in the mood to engage in critical discussions.


183 posted on 11/05/2008 12:11:28 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Boagenes

That is totally cool. I was just on the phone with someone who told me to read this chapter not even 5 minutes ago.


184 posted on 11/05/2008 12:16:05 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

Well, there’s nothing critical to discuss, anyway. Either one believes that stuff, or one doesn’t. You do. I don’t. :)


185 posted on 11/05/2008 12:20:04 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Texas_shutterbug

You made your point. Now go on your way to some other thread. Conversation closed.


186 posted on 11/05/2008 12:23:51 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Albion Wilde; DarthVader; iThinkBig; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

1. Thank you for bothering to share your exhortation to me. I appreciate such whether I always agree, or not. None of us have the complete picture. All of us see through the glass darkly.

2. Truth sets free . . .

Not fantasies . . .

Particularly the Truth of Christ sets us free.

. . . and His Truth sets us free regardless of other fleshly or hellish contintengencies.

3. My humble words did not and will not speak that into existence. Some things are already more or less cast in stone. It is the watchman’s duty to warn the faithful and even the pagan. That is a duty primarily to God.

4. When the inner press in one’s spirit by Holy Spirit is strong, particularly, then, other folks’ opinions must not matter.

5. This 24-72 hours is a particularly teachable moment time for many clueless folks who have any chance at all to wake-up in sufficient time to get their hearts right with God. WOE TO THE WATCHMAN THAT DOES NOT SPEAK THE STARK TRUTH to such folks at such a time.

6. “Positive” and “negative” depend, often enough, at least partly on perspective. Was Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers negative or positive? From Joseph’s perspective? At what point in time? From God’s perspective?

7. God prefers obedience vs sacrifice. When we refuse the former, we get the latter. It’s rather like a law. When we don’t sow obedience, we sow sacrifice.

8. Certainly there is a time to focus on the positive confession etc.

9. And, there is a time to declare the horrific realities extant in a situation.

10. All those who love God foremost . . . are strengthened by The Truth. And even the truth of Obamao’s horrors has some inherent positive aspects. MARANATHA! THE LORD JESUS IS COMING SOONER THAN WE MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT OTHERWISE. We get to see His Face sooner than might have been otherwise. The world gets cleansed sooner than might have been otherwise. Evil gets destroyed and locked away sooner than might have been otherwise.

GOD WILL BE DEMONSTRATING HIS POWER MIGHTILY AND DRAMATICALLY AND VERY SUPERNATURALLY AS IN NO OTHER TIME sooner than might have been otherwise.

In any case, I have no peace in my spirit about modifying, retracting, minimizing what I wrote in 137.


187 posted on 11/05/2008 12:28:21 PM PST by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: DarthVader

Could it be that God allowed this in order to spur the righteous into rising up up and smoting the wicked? In his infinite wisdom, He knows that Abortion and other liberal abominations will never be defeated by the political process in this country. Also, today’s “loyal opposition” are tomorrow’s political prisoners.


188 posted on 11/05/2008 12:28:47 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius

Interesting thought and good point it does require the change of hearts of people.


189 posted on 11/05/2008 12:31:32 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

Darth, I wasn’t pointing fingers at you, nor even at Mr Keller. I was just making a point about what has really happened.

May God have mercy on us.


190 posted on 11/05/2008 12:49:15 PM PST by Robwin
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To: Robwin

No offense taken. I think your title idea is more appropriate for this article.


191 posted on 11/05/2008 1:01:28 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: epow
"I'm 71, and as of this morning I have lived to see the end of the once great America in which I was born and raised,
and the beginning of a counterfeit version of America that I can't even recognize as the nation in which I was raised."

The older you are, the starker the contrast.
But it's the boiling frog story.
The younger people especially, are completely ignorant of what this country once was.
To them things haven't gotten that much worse, and they're right.
They haven't been around long enough.
People who hate this country and everything it stood for have gotten into high places
in politics and education and the media, and have gone about systematically destroying
us from the inside out. It looks like they've captured the "minds" of the youth.
Maybe total economic and societal collapse can undo the damage, but I don't think anything less would.
We're too far gone, maybe terminal.

192 posted on 11/05/2008 1:07:56 PM PST by trickyricky
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To: DarthVader

bfl


193 posted on 11/05/2008 1:27:10 PM PST by Brads Gramma ( PRAY PRAY PRAY! Vote, and pray some more!)
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To: DarthVader

Russia is on the move:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5090077.ece


194 posted on 11/05/2008 1:46:31 PM PST by God-fear-republican
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To: autumnraine
but for the first time in my life, I am afraid of my government.

Chilling words... chilling words, indeed.

195 posted on 11/05/2008 2:01:54 PM PST by pinkpanther111
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To: DarthVader; Quix
It is not that God removed His hand, it is that the people of this country have decided to turn from Him.

Look at the break down in voters. Obama got a majority of the Catholic and mainline Protestant vote, not to mention a large portion of the Evangelicals.

This for a man who wants, supports, and demands infanticide on any whim.

The people who supposedly love God have said “Not so fast, I want my bling first!”.

I am not really surprised. I feared that this was going to happen. The next move will be the GOP not only going more left, but trying to pass Obama. They can see that we are no longer a nation that has any love for God, or family, or anything else but gold from the public till.

So God hasn't removed His hand, the US has rejected it. So He will let us have what we as nation seem to want. Which will be hell.

196 posted on 11/05/2008 3:09:33 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: DarthVader; Boagenes

2Th 2:1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,
2Th 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
2Th 2:5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
2Th 2:11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
2Th 2:12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
2Th 2:14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
2Th 2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,
2Th 2:17 comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.


197 posted on 11/05/2008 3:11:18 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: God-fear-republican
Here is a thought to consider.

A lady I once knew remembered when Russia was “Holy Mother Russia”. She once said it will be so again.

I am beginning to think that the US will be on the wrong side in Armageddon.

198 posted on 11/05/2008 3:12:34 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: BigCinBigD

“I pray. Lord Jesus, come quickly. Your children have gone astray.”

Boy, talk about a quitter!


199 posted on 11/05/2008 3:16:05 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Guenevere
Thanks for your kind words. All may not be right with the world, or our nation, but these words gave me great Comfort yesterday. May they do the same for you today. Afterall, they are from Psalms, in particular Ps. 11:4 :)!

"The Lord is on his heavenly throne, He observes the sons of men; his eyes examine them."

200 posted on 11/05/2008 6:58:03 PM PST by milagro
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